Talk:Ratonero Bodeguero Andaluz

FCI recognized?
I can't find it here or here...?? Elf | Talk 21:26, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Elf--I thought the national club said it was recognized, but this could be my woefully inadequate knowledge of Spanish at work....Quill 21:30, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, Elf, you're quite right; it's not listed at the FCI site, but at the Spanish kennel club site, http://www.rsce.es/razas.htm it says:


 * RATONERO-BODEGUERO ANDALUZ
 * ORIGEN: ANDALUCIA, ESPAÑA
 * CLASIFICACION F.C.I.: Grupo 3 - Terriers Sección 1: Terriers de talla grande y mediana


 * according to the national club, http://www.ratonerobodeguero.com/800/default.htm we have:


 * CLASIFICACIÓN: Para los Concursos y/o exposiciones organizadas por la Federación Cinológica Internacional, F.C.I. o la Real Sociedad de Fomento de Razas Caninas en España, Canina Central, se encuentran enclavados en: Grupo 3.- Terriers Sección 1: Terriers de talla grande y mediana


 * Quill 21:48, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Is it possible that the clubs are simply saying "if it were recognized by FCI, this is the group it would be in"? Without a breed number, it seems only marginally credible, unless FCI has something like AKC's FSS and those breeds are listed elsewhere pending full recognition. Elf | Talk 22:05, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Entirely possible, the thought occurred to me as well. Search me--make an executive decision.  Quill 22:28, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * FCI member countries have one breed club per country, and they all organise their breed standards in a common format, and all use the same terminology for their breed groups. So even though it isn't yet recognised by the FCI, the Spanish Breed Club, which uses the FCI format, puts the breed in the correct Group and Section.--Hafwyn (talk) 19:44, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Any Ratonero breed (including the Ratonero Valenciano, Ca Rater Mallorquí, Ratonero Vasco, Ratonero Murciano) is neither fully nor provisionally accepted by the FCI. However, the Bodeguero Andaluz and the Ratonero Valenciano are nationally accepted by the Spanish Kennel Club RSCE (in January 2013, the Bodeguero Andaluz also became officially recognized in the Nordic Kennel Union member countries), so Hafwyn is right here, in its text the RSCE is referring to the official recognition in Spain. However, the FCI still DOES also have something that can be compared to the AKC's FSS: they call it "provisionally accepted breeds". These breeds are not eligible to compete for CACIB in international shows, but they can otherwise already participate shows in the FCI countries. They will later become fully recognized (and also allowed to compete for CACIB) when they have at first been long enough in the list (unless becoming extinct during their "provisional" time, I think for instance with Taiwan Dog - which has now been 10 years in the FCI's provisionally accepted list - this might be a possible threat in the future). --Canarian (talk) 07:23, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Photo
Though a body of all brown, the dog of photo seems to be a Ratonero Bodeguero Andaluz. reads fehlfarben, which stands for "wrong-colored" in German|en. May I restore the photo? --Yozakura 04:41, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Interesting. I personally like to see dogs that aren't always the show-perfect specimens, so I'd say yes as long as there's a clear caption explaining that. However, I'd also be inclined to put it down in the article rather than in the breed box, since it's obviously so different from what one might expect. Same as one might put a yellow Flat-Coated Retriever in the article but not in the breed box.  At least, that's what I think.  My only other question is whether the dog's appearance *other* than color is typical of a RA; I'm not positive, but I think it's OK in looking at other web sites for the breed. Elf | Talk 21:11, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * NOT typical. Colour is important in the definition of breeds; it doesn't have to do with 'show perfect' but rather what is and what isn't a member of the breed. The brown dog is some other breed or a mix.
 * I agree, it looks rather like a mix of several different breeds. --Canarian (talk) 07:25, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Attribution
Text and references copied from Ratonero Murciano de Huerta to Ratonero Bodeguero Andaluz. See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 13:27, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Fox Paulistinha?
Among the additional names, there's "Perro Bodeguero Andaluz Fox paulistinha" listed. "Fox Paulistinha" refers to the Brazilian Terrier (Paulistinha = "from São Paulo", Fox paulistinha = "fox terrier from São Paulo"), so I wonder what it has to do here? This breed has nothing to do with Brazil. Is there any reliable source for this nickname? --Canarian (talk) 14:27, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

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