Talk:Ratu Hemas

Requested move 6 March 2017

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Its been relisted twice without opposition, and since the proposer was a procedural RM who also supported it, I am comfortable closing this as moved. If anyone opposes this move within a reasonable time frame, let me know on my talk page and I will reverse and relist. (non-admin closure) TonyBallioni (talk) 21:57, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Queen Hemas → Ratu Hemas – It's a bit ridiculous to use "Queen" instead of "Ratu". This RM was originally proposed by User:AnakPejuangIndonesia on 14:50, 2 March 2017 but it was unsigned and not using the correct template. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 15:15, 6 March 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:02, 15 March 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. — JFG talk 07:00, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The Javanese/Malay "Ratu" cannot be translated into "Queen" in this instance.
 * The wikipedia pages of consorts of Malaysian monarchs all use Malay titles. See Raja Permaisuri Agong, Sultanah Haminah Hamidun & Permaisuri Siti Aishah Abdul Rahman to cite just a few examples.
 * Queen implies a monarch or a monarch's consort reigning over an independent sovereign nation. The Sultans of Yogyakarta only reign over a province (not even a constituent state of a federation, like Malaysia).
 * Note: I support the move. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 15:19, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


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English titles
I'm uncomfortable with the use of English titles for members of the Yogyakarta dynasty, e.g., His Majesty, His Royal Highness, Lord and Lady.
 * Majesty, as far as I am aware of, is only used in reference to monarchs reigning over independent sovereign nations. Even in Malaysia, the monarchs of the Malaysian states are only referred to as "Their Royal Highnesses". Indonesia is a unitary republic, so the Sultans of Yogyakarta only reign over not even a state, but a mere province, albeit with special autonomy. Maybe, it would be best to do away with all of these English and European titles and only use Javanese titles.
 * The use of "Lord" and "Lady" is even more ridiculous in a Javanese context. Neither of these titles captures the subtlety and varying levels of Javanese titles. All in all, I'm in favour of using only Javanese titles.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnakPejuangIndonesia (talk • contribs) 15:00, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, titles should not be used at all on en-wiki, see WP:HONORIFICS and WP:NCROY. --HyperGaruda (talk) 10:51, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

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