Talk:Raumpatrouille – Die phantastischen Abenteuer des Raumschiffes Orion

Germanic gaffes
The entry on Raumpatrouille seems mainly ok but is not in english or anything even remotely resembling english. Someone needs to edit out the Germanic gaffes and create an actual english-language writeup.Cokerwr 17:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Finally done. More later. --85.240.210.72 (talk) 03:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

More than 7 episodes?
Im sorry but it cant be correct it was just 7 parts made. Offhand I can say there got to be more, so something are amiss here. Perhaps only 7 parts have been preserved, but I distictly remember more parts being aired than 7. Im not going into detail on every part I can remember but to mention that there were several about the mad scientist with his intelligent machine (we would say AI today) and the series did not focus on that character at all. Then we have the environmental crisis where planets where that humans polluting too much with their industries on the planets they colonized - resulting in protests from the intelligent indigenous population. A whimiscal end note: Each part of this series ended with the crew going to a disco in one submerged base, the fishes you could see in the roof were very obvious from one aquarium and way out of size. ;)


 * No, there were only seven episodes produced. Perhaps you're confusing that with the novels based on the TV series. Der_Hans


 * Or you was confused by the movie "Raumpatrouille Orion - Rücksturz ins Kino" which is just a summary of some episodes 149.217.40.222 (talk) 13:40, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Ratings
Im unsure if the german messurement of 56% "audience ratings" (=56% of the people AFAIK) is equal to the US-Term. But 80% of the people; No way! (Sory; no spell check here;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MarkS68 (talk • contribs) 23:48, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * In Germany it's the percentage of households who own a television set. The German wikipedia says 56% without quoting a source. Where do you see the 80% figure? It would not be totally implausible because at the time most people in West Germany had only two channels available. The all time highest ratings were achieved in the early 1960s when there was only one channel, then some programmes had over 90%. Anorak2 (talk) 09:43, 6 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The 56% can be found in the Book by Josef Hilger, "Raumpatroullie", Erweiterte Neuauflage, page 419. It was for episode 4 of 1966-10-29. He doesn't give detailed source for his numbers, though. I *assume* that he took it from old magazines - it was customary to publish those numbers in TV magazines. Peterbruells (talk) 19:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Reference to “Star Trek”
The intro states that in Germany “Raumpatrouille” aired 6 years before “Star Trek”. So what? I know it's not uncommon among “Raumpatrouille” fans to compare those two shows, with some even stating it may somehow have served as inspiration for “Star Trek” (which began production in 1964, one year ahead of “Raumpatrouille”). Unless there can be established a relevant connection between those two shows, that sentence should be struck. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dvd-junkie (talk • contribs) 14:51, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * True. Far more interesting could be a reference to Stargate Atlantis, since they actually named one of the spaceships "Orion" after German reporter Robert Vogel, who was regularly reporting from The Bridge Studios, lobbyed for it. --Bernd Martin Wurm (talk) 19:54, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Characters' nationalities
All those details about the characters' nationalities are purely speculative. Describing Atan as japanese is outright ridiculous. Not a single episode establishes any of this information. Instead, the voice-over introduction states that nation states don't exist anymore.--Dvd-junkie (talk) 01:09, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * The characters seem generic:

Mario DeMonti     - South European Helga Legrelle    - West-European Hasso Sigbjörnson - North-European Atan Shubashi     - East European (I had a colleague from Yugoslavia once whose first name was Atan. Shubashi is a name which may originate from the Balkans as well, perhaps with Middle-Eastern origins).

McLean can therefore not be British (Legrelle is already the West-European representative), and it's easy to see him as American- interestingly with a "Nanny" from Russia in the shape of Tamara Jagellovsk. It seems like an ironical representation of the then existing cold war (although that's speculation as well now- namely my own...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.191.227.2 (talk) 01:11, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

BTW, shouldn't the Characters section mention their respective actors? The main actors are listed in the fact box, but there is no information about who was playing who. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.227.62.141 (talk) 17:02, 18 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Guys, we need reliable sources, not speculation. If none are provided (the series itself doesn't), I am going to delete those unsubstantiated claims.--DVD-junkie | talk | 08:30, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

As it has already been mentioned, one of the premises of the show is that nation states no longer exist. And in unlike Star Trek where the existence of countries (Scotty and Chekov refer to themselves respectively as Scottish and Russian several times), Orion does not mention anything that insinuates the ongoing existence of national loyalties. (This may very well reflect the widespread anti-nationalistic attitude of West Germans after the war, culminating in the idea that nations will no longer exist in the future in any shape or form.) And the characters' names do not hint at anything either, as names do not even tell us someone's nationality today. Thomas de Maizière isn't French, Ludwig van Beethoven wasn't Dutch and Henry Kissinger isn't German. -- Orthographicus (talk) 14:55, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, if Bavaria isn't Germany, then Heny Kissinger is not German ;-) Schily (talk) 12:50, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Ask Bavarians. Some will tell you that Bavaria is as German as Austria (which insinuates that you either call both German on ethnic terms or neither of them). And others will call it as occupied as Tibet. :-) -- Orthographicus (talk) 19:20, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Note: If by "West-European" you mean "French" or "Belgic", then Helga (!) Legrelle most definitely isn't. That is a rather decidedly German name (suggesting, it is true, an emigré-Hugenot ancestry, but that is that).--131.159.78.19 (talk) 14:24, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Frogs
The term "Frogs" is a well-known pejorative for the French in English (U.K., Canada, & the USA). It's hard to believe its use for the enemy is coincidental here given the historical warfare between France and Germany. Anyone know how the author of the books decided on using it?71.28.50.215 (talk) 20:28, 18 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Consider the section Co-production with French ORTF Television. This series was actually a German-French co-production.
 * The acronym Frogs is explained in the section Feature film. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 21:14, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I guess it wasn't known in Germany so much that the English call the French sometimes "frogs"; the German sometimes-pejorative colloquialism is Franzmann. The explanation for "frogs" is by the way not that given in the movie, but that they first called them Frösche, maybe because they looked like frogs, and then translated it into English to make it sound more alien. :D --2001:A61:260C:C01:45C0:C40F:46F6:5808 (talk) 18:51, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

French title
"Vaisseau d'espace" looks like a translation error made by the cited german blogger; correct French should be "vaisseau spatial" or simply "vaisseau Orion", see our french interwiki. My edit on this matter was reverted because my source has disappeared (well, it's still readable in archive.org ). And here's an old vinyl record cover:  --MBq (talk) 19:19, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

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