Talk:Raven (wrestler)

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 * Scott Levy → Raven (wrestler) … Rationale: Better known under this name. Tromboneguy0186 01:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

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 * Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with  ~


 * Support McPhail 13:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose, for the reasons I stated here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mike_Plotcheck#Discussion. Tuckdogg 23:32, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Support Best known as Raven in WWE & TNA Aceboy 05:41, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Support (Halbared 05:50, 3 July 2006 (UTC))
 * Oppose "Scott Levy" is a unique article title and best for disambiguation purposes. --Jtalledo (talk) 12:15, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Tuckdogg's comments.DemonWeb 18:54, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose, per above.--Aldux 22:26, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Support He owns the name and uses it for non-wrestling related endeavors as well. TJ Spyke 00:32, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose "Scott Levy" is a unique article title and best for disambiguation purposes.Theophilus75 05:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Support "Raven" is the name on his SAG card. Ma-Mutt (talk) 07:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Support i have only ever know "raven" by that name and none other KCDavis (talk) 17:15, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Support "Raven" is a more recognizable name than "Scott Levy", I don't think he's appeared on TV using that name.

Triva
I keep putting it up and some keeps taking it down Raven has Never tapped out before in his career so i wish the people would just leave it alone.

Correction: September 28th Impact Joe made him tap. haha ima nerd...

He tapped out before that when he wrestled CM Punk in their first match together in ROH.138.163.0.43 11:09, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Raven Vs Chris Jericho - Haloween Havoc 1998 WCW - Raven tapped out to the Lion Tamer

Discussion

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He does own the name Raven for wrestling purposes
 * It really depends on whether Raven himself used his real name in any outside endeavors - such as his comic book writing. In any case, Raven appears to be the most recognizable. kelvSYC 05:53, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

This page says Raven has recently signed with WWE... This is NOT true. -- Dubh agan  14:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Result
No move because of no consensus. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 20:06, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Ravenator and Fade to Black
Isthereany confirmation on the "Ravenator" and "Fade to Black" names, much less their usage as finishers? I've never heard of the names myself, nor have I heard of Raven winning matches with them.Sevenzeroone 23:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Picture
The Picture realy doesn't look right and what happened to the picture of him in the Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back T-Shirt??--Yowiki 03:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Jewish
I beleive Raven is jewish. Since he is one of only a very few jewish pro wrestlers (goldberg is the only other one I know offhand) I beleive this deserves mention in the trivia section.69.9.30.57 05:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Scott Levy (aka Raven) is Jewish. So is Kevin Nash, Brian Pillman, Colt Cabana, Dean Malenko, DDP, Kane, Marc Mero, Paul Heyman, Randy Savage, A-Train, Brian Knobbs, Billy Kidman, Steve Blackman and Michael Hayes.138.163.0.42 14:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I remember reading that they referenced him as a Jewish athlete on an episode of Jeopardy last month in a question. TonyFreakinAlmeida 03:04, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Isn't he an atheist? JRandazzo 20:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Picture change
I would suggest a picture change. The one featured is VERY out of date. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Andy1292 (talk • contribs) 03:24, 28 January 2007 (UTC).
 * I updated it to a slightly more recent photo than his WWF days, and also a better shot of his face, not just a pose from a distance. Yagobo79 17:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I'd also like to add Raven is 6'1 and weighs more like 240-250 he hasnt weighed 220 since he was in WCW the first time around when he feuded with Brian Pillman for the Light Heavyweight title

The truth about fade to black
Back in my vandal days I first called raves sleeper the fade to black becuase it sounded cool. He has never called it that so it is best removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Andy1292 (talk • contribs) 16:43, 28 January 2007 (UTC).

Disambiguation
Do we still need the note at the top of the page about Scott Levy (actor)? It should be self-evident from the title of this article that it's about the wrestler... --Dave. 12:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone moved the article for no reason. The link at top is reason enough for the article to not be moved. TJ Spyke 05:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I moved the page, and for good reason. The are two persons both named Scott Levy. Neither has priority to the name. Why should somebody searching for the actor have to go through the page on the wrestler. The best solution is to move this page to Scott Levy (wrestler). TJ Spyke has reverted my edit however. Sander123 13:05, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Sections
I think this article has too many sections. If he went back and forth between ECW, WCW, and WWE and had more than one stay in each then there's gotta be a better way to organize. Perhaps make one section for ECW, one for WCW, and one for WWE, or organize it by years like is done on, say Edge's profile.La Parka Your Car 20:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

ROH
Shouldn't this have more on his ROH career? It has nothing except what theme he used there. It could at least get a paragraph, amongst the other indie work he has done since WWE. If someone could write that, that would be great. User:60.241.214.74 01:51 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Personal Life
Wow he must keep a very low profile because nothing on here mentions his personal life. Not even family or other things. Is there anything out there?
 * He got married in January 2007 to a model. This is all verifiable via his website. Yagobo79 17:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

How about mentioning that he is very good friends with Insane Clown Posse, The Sandman and Tommy Dreamer. Also that he has opened a wrestling school.

He has a wife named "Selina Kyle..." really? Really? --74.72.163.16 (talk) 19:47, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Other Media
"Raven is a drinker" doesn't seem very relevent to the heading in the section, it would be better in "Personal Life", or to be removed from the article altogether. -K. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.78.130.185 (talk) 00:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

someones been spamming this page, FIX IT! raven is only a one time us champion and has never held the IC title. he's only a 27 time hXc champion...GAHHH!!!! SOMEONE FIX IT PLEEEEEEEEEEASE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.247.87 (talk) 19:23, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Heavyweight titles
It states in the first paragraph that he is a 4 time world heavyweight champion, winning the ECW and TNA Titles. Yet in the titles won section it says he has won 2 ECW Titles and 1 NWA Title (when it was part of TNA). This for the idiots who can't count equals 3 not 4, so which is it? Has he won 4 or 3? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.159.40.246 (talk) 23:50, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Best known for...
The opening paragraph states that he is best known for his time in TNA. Obviously that's incorrect, he's best known for his time in ECW.

JWC126 (talk) 16:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

thats an argument you cant win. I best know Raven from his time in WCW because its all i watched. I never once saw an ECW taping. So isnt it best to just leave a sentence stating "hes best known for is time in ____" out? I mean everyone knows him differently depending on what channel they watch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adrianchandler (talk • contribs) 15:56, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

name
...Scott ALAN Levy? Really? Any source on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.196.154.45 (talk) 15:25, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Scott Levy
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Scott Levy's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "owow": From Debra Miceli:  From Shane McMahon:  From The Quebecers:  From Don Muraco: Online World Of Wrestling. Retrieved on 2008-9-29. From Cynthia Lynch:  From Dick Slater:  From Francine Fournier:  From Jacqueline Moore: </li> <li>From Konnan: </li> <li>From Terri Runnels: </li> <li>From Nora Greenwald: </li> </ul>

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 08:18, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Theme entrance
correction: he used Toccata & Fugue in d minor by Back for a while --24.94.251.190 (talk) 04:07, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Recent edits
The 1 IP's edit was right and Static was outside WP rules with the reversion and the warning because the information was not sourced in the article and the titles removed are not notable. This needs to be discussed and third party sources are needed per WP:BLP for the article information. Third party sources are needed for the titles to establish notability (not sure if BLP applies to that section or not - I think it should but that's an opinion only on my part. 121.219.230.189 (talk) 07:50, 29 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Your removal was completely different then the other IP's edit. Yours actully made sense, because the content was not sourced and it was not notable on top of that. The title reign was sourced, so the content in the body just need a citation because it was not controversial per the terms of WP:BLP and WP:V. That IP was going around blanking various portions and vandalizing articles. Also it does not, most of the times primary sources are used in that section. The company is the best source for their own title reigns.  STATic  message me!  08:04, 29 November 2013 (UTC)


 * But they are not the right source for notability. Only notable title reigns should be included. You're right. I only reverted one part when in fact I thought I'd removed both. I shall rectify that now, and you need to show that the titles are notable with third party sources. It is controversial for this reason and that's why I applied WP:BLP to that also. 121.219.230.189 (talk) 00:48, 30 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Not true at all, 95% of the times first party sources are used for title reigns, as they should be and always are. The section is not exponentially long and there is no notability requirement for inclusion in the section anyways.  STATic  message me!  03:36, 30 November 2013 (UTC)


 * So you can put in any old title you like? How about I create a website and announce that Raven won a title there, and you have a source. See the problem? 121.219.230.189 (talk) 03:57, 30 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Seriously, a google search is your friend: Sources him winning the title, All Action Wrestling Australia is definitely notable, heck its a branch of the National Wrestling Alliance, and Cagematch.net is already a reliable source.  STATic  message me!  04:25, 30 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay you rescued the AWF title by providing a third party source. Now was AAW in the NWA when Raven held their title? If not then that doesn't work because notability is not inherited. 121.219.230.189 (talk) 10:39, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

WWE, WCW, ECW, TNA, ROH fact...
Kinda random, but haven't ICP also achieved the fact of wrestling in all of those promotions?

99.21.89.71 (talk) 03:51, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

AAW and HRPW are backyard promotions
Do not place these "titles" on this page. Raven NEVER won these titles. The claim is 100 percent fake for credibility. The promotions are well known within the industry as backyard promotions with no formal training. Ta. 203.15.226.132 (talk) 22:43, 9 February 2014 (UTC)


 * You're wrong again, and please comment in the section you did above.  STATic  message me!  22:47, 9 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I am not wrong and this is my first contribution. Prove the promotions are legit and that the title changes happened through reputable and independent sources. I can answer that for you - you can't. They are backyard and get no independent coverage. The title changes are fake, and should be removed. Ta. 203.15.226.132 (talk) 22:50, 9 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep pretending okay. It was discussed in two sections above. AAW is a division of the NWA, how can you call it a backyard promotion. Also, the title changes are real, you have no bases for calling them fake.  STATic  message me!  22:52, 9 February 2014 (UTC)


 * The NWA will take anyone today and didn't bother to check it out. Talk to anyone in the Australian Wrestling industry. They'll tell you the two promotions are backyard promotions. This is unequivocable fact. The back up is the lack of uncontroversial independent coverage of these "title changes" that never really happened. 203.15.226.132 (talk) 22:55, 9 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Your comments are still not being backed by any reliable sources. Also where is this inclusion criteria for championships in the section? In America a lot of indies have been reputations, such as CZW, but they are still included. Also where are you getting this information that the title changes never occurred? We have sources that they did. Can you please finally admit that you are IP hopping, it is blatantly obvious, so stop trying to hide it.  STATic  message me!  19:04, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

We should just get this, Al Snow, Christopher Daniels, Orlando Jordan, Paul London and Steve Corino semi-protected. This guy will just keep coming back under new IPs.リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen) (talk) 18:30, 11 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I will be watching this page and a few of the others, if he comes back to any of them without discussing, I am sure we can get them protected at WP:RFPP.  STATic  message me!  19:04, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, both are sources, so I don't know why should the titles be retired. Also, both websites looks like a indy promotions, no backyard promotions (and the public opinion doesn't care). Also, both appeared at Cagematch. http://www.cagematch.de/?id=8&nr=841 http://www.cagematch.de/?id=8&nr=876 --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 22:30, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Cagematch is not a reliable source. I'll give you something. They claimed that Raven won the HRPW title on April 13. The promotion is in Adelaide. Raven was in Sydney on April 11 (this has been sourced independently and correct as he won a title noted here that night), but he stayed in Sydney with the promotion before joining it on the NZ tour as noted and also sourced! And that's the only one I've checked so far! If he went to Adelaide there would be sources stating it and there are NONE! Now do you want more or are you going to admit that you need independent sources for that title at least? 203.17.215.22 (talk) 02:48, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, no reply so far. I'll give it a couple of days, and then I'm removing it. 203.17.215.22 (talk) 03:00, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * You do not make any sense. Everything you are saying is WP:OR. Cagematch is reliable and you will not be removing it. Way to make it obvious that you are hopping around IP address' btw. STATic message me!   03:03, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't make any sense??? It's not OR it's FACT! Raven was hosted by the AWF and unless that backyard fed is associated with the AWF, Raven didn't leave Sydney until the fed went to New Zealand!!! That's how feds work!! Cagematch is NOT to be used if there's a problem in case you didn't look at the MOS!! So what if I hopped between two libraries. I don't have the Net at home so I don't have a choice! 203.17.215.22 (talk) 03:48, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

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