Talk:Ravi Shankar/Archive 2

Ravi's dead.
I don't know who is reverting my edits, but here.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/king-of-soft-melodies-ravi-shankar-passes-away/1/176930.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.227.159.150 (talk) 15:59, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * That is a different person. See Ravi Shankar Sharma for the person who passed. --Bongwarrior (talk) 16:05, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes this is a surprising coincidence, but there were TWO Ravi Shankars. Ravi Shankar, the subject of this page, and the famous sitarist, died on the 11th  December, 2012, aged 92. The other one - Ravi Shankar Sharma - died on the 7th December, 2012, aged 86. He too had had a long career in music, as a film composer.
 * Bongwarrior above means that Ravi Shankar Sharma is the OTHER Ravi Shankar, not the one dealt with on this page.Myles325a (talk) 12:24, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

In his message of condolence concerning the death of Ravi Shankar, the President of India used the verb “to condole” in a way it cannot be used. To say “has condoled the passing” is incorrect English. Similarly, article text that reads "His death was condoled by" is incorrect. I suggest this be revised to "Condolences have been extended by". David F (talk) 15:56, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I have made the required changes David F (talk) 19:05, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

East Meets West Music
I added this as a record label after noticing it in the External links section, but it makes sense that he recorded on todaw other record labels, regardless of which act on the CD, I just don't have time right now so, in case I can't address .--Leahtwosaints (talk) 13:40, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Transmigration Macabre
In the absence of any article for it, I tried to add a mention of the 1973 soundtrack album Transmigration Macabre which is already included in the discography, thus:. But this was rapidly reverted with an edit summary “rm content without reliable source”. I had thought discogs.com was an uncontroversial source here. I wonder if anyone could provide a better source (or indeed could provide any more information about that obscure UK film “Viola”)? Could the album sleeve notes themselves be used as a better source perhaps? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:06, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The album is the 1973 Spark Records SRLM 2002. The sleeve notes (uncredited), on my copy, say "Shankar composed Transmigration Macabre for the British art film Viola which tells of the growth and eventual victory of a possessed man's belief that his dead wife has returned to life in the form of a cat that pursues him. The music traces his emotional turmoil as the man, dominated by his wife during her lifetime, struggles against her baneful influence after her death." The sleeve also credits the film producer as R. Davies, but I can find no trace of him here, or even on the net. I have added brief details at the Shankar discography. Perhaps that's all that's needed. Or perhaps the album deserves its own article? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:38, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Award List
There could be an award list listing the achievements of the pundit. Please give your suggestions Naveed (talk) 12:14, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Danseuse
The word danseuse appears in the section on his personal life and family. Seriously? How about dancer? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.50.65.240 (talk) 22:59, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 * We all strive for non-sexist language. It seems Danseuse is a wiki word, even if ambiguous and not very appropriate here? But I would see no strong objection to using dancer, which seems much more natural. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:08, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks! Evanh2008 (talk&#124;contribs) 23:12, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

KBE
Note: I moved this here so it's not spread across user talk pages Hekerui (talk) 23:50, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi. With regards to this edit: does it matter that he did not use it? He still had the title. And also, what evidence do we have that he did not want to use the title? As far as I can see e.g. here external sources mention his KBE. Thanks, -- Mark91  it's my world   23:20, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * He has so many titles, we would have to list his honorary doctorates, which are actual titles, and, because they much higher honors and from his home country, maybe list him as Padmavibhushan Ravi Shankar or Bharatratna Ravi Shankar (the Bharat Ratna even puts you in the order of precedence). When I google "ravi shankar kbe", the honorary knighthood mention of the UK Parliament is about all that pops up and the recent obituary flood does not appear to mention him as a KBE but mentions title separately if at all. Hekerui (talk) 23:50, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It's just that it seems conventional to list these type of titles (see e.g. C. V. Raman who is in the same situation). Do you know if there's a policy about this? -- Mark91  it's my world   23:58, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:POSTNOM and MOS:HONORIFIC are the closest things we have to policy regarding this. Evanh2008 (talk&#124;contribs) 23:15, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

1956-69: International career section
In the fourth para of this section, there's a mention of Howard Worth's Raga being filmed during George Harrison's visit to India in Sept–Oct 1966; that's supported by a NY Times ref, which I'm not able to access. Would be good if someone could check perhaps, because I've always understood it that Raga was filmed mainly in 1967–68. In his autobiography, George says he was meant to join Ravi in the south of India after The Beatles' (well, him and Lennon) left Rishikesh in April 1968 (i.e., two Indian trips later); but George got dysentery, which is why his scene with Ravi had to be shot later, at Esalen in June '68. Having said that, this is only the Harrison side of things – perhaps shooting did begin in 1966?) Also, might be worth mentioning that Harrison salvaged the project (by offering Apple Films and producing the soundtrack) in late 1970, when the original backers pulled out? Howard Worth's very generous about this, from memory, in a talk he gave for the 2010 re-release. (It's a long clip, but lovely if you're in the mood – and have the time.) JG66 (talk) 14:04, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Superb images
The Daily Mail is usually spurned as a source here, but the range and quality of the images they have used in their article here is quite something:. Almost worthy of adding as an external link. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:57, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy recommends recent pictures but this should not apply for people who are no more living. In fact for many of them, e.g. Eric Hobsbawm or Claude Levi-Strauss, the so called 'recent images' are obtained just prior of death and of course they look awful. The rule should be skipped also for rock or movie stars - seeing them in old age does not help to understand what their fame was.91.92.179.172 (talk) 15:49, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the image you have now added is a better one. But I'm not convinced by your home-spun advice regarding "rock or movie stars". All this, however, does nothing to lessen the sharp contrast between the dubious quality of the few images we have available here and the wonderful collection published, as a worthy celebration, by the DM. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:23, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Hans Neuhoff material
I see that material by Hans Neuhoff was removed and then readded. I would leave this material out since Hans Neuhoff is non notable. --Malerooster (talk) 14:58, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "non notable"? Musik in Geschichte und Gegenwart is the kind of sources that are relevant for music articles, isn't it?--Phso2 (talk) 21:31, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Who is Hans Neuhoff? Why is his opinion note worthy? --Malerooster (talk) 23:54, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * He is notable enough to have written an article in a reference encyclopedia. Anyway, there is no wonder that a musician with no strong classical music training can be labelled as having an amateurish use of orchestra...Do you intend to remove any kind of criticism from the article?--Phso2 (talk) 07:03, 1 April 2014 (UTC)