Talk:Ray Brown (Negro leagues pitcher)

Requested move 17 June 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 02:50, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Ray Brown (Negro leagues pitcher) → Ray Brown (baseball) – Per WP:INCDAB a move discussion is necessary. INCDAB states: In individual cases consensus may determine that a parenthetically disambiguated title that is still ambiguous has a primary topic, but the threshold for identifying a primary topic for such titles is higher than for a title without parenthetical disambiguation. As with any other term with a primary topic, it should either be the title of the article for that topic or redirect to it. There are 2 Ray Brown baseball players, both pitchers: this one, a Hall of Fame Negro league pitcher; and Ray Brown (National League pitcher) who pitched 1 game for the Cubs in 1909. The pageviews (Negro league pitcher & Natinal League pitcher) over the last year are 3428:170, or ~20:1, which is about what it takes according to List of reported partially disambiguated article titles and their characteristics. I am arguing this Ray Brown is the primary baseball player topic (under WP:PT1) because it is highly likely [...] to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term. -- BX (talk) 00:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * I don't know that a move discussion is ever made necessary by the idea that partial disambiguation can exist (in fact I am not really convinced that the RFC linked there showed the consensus that has been attributed to it), and this is highlighted by the fact that it is unlikely that a reader will search for "Ray Brown (baseball)" instead of "Ray Brown" (15 pageviews total in the last 18 months). At any rate the disambiguator would be "(pitcher)", not "(baseball)". Dekimasu よ! 01:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, (baseball) or (pitcher). Hameltion (talk &#124; contribs) 02:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose. I don't see a reason why "a move discussion is necessary" here. I don't see a problem with the current title. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * INCDABs usually don't stick unless there is an accompnying RM discussion, from what I derived from WP:INCDAB & WP:PDAB due to the higher threshold & local consensus. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 03:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support, largely since the National League pitcher article arguably is AFD-bait as it doesn't assert notability nor have sources beyond statistics databases. Even if it was cleaned up with some forgotten 1909 article, I suspect the notability is so tiny for a one-game player that INCDAB is fine.  SnowFire (talk) 05:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose, proposed title violates both WP:NCBASE and WP:PDAB. 162 etc. (talk) 06:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * What part of WP:PDAB does this violate? If I'm missing something, I'll withdraw the nom. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 03:49, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per comment by Dekimasu and votes by BarrelProof and 162 etc. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 16:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)