Talk:Ray Emery

Emery fighting
Emery was also involved in the record breaking 373 PIM game between the Binghamton Senators and the Philadelphia Phantoms a few seasons ago. http://www.phantomshockey.com/numbers/boxScore/boxscoredetailRegularSeason.asp?Season=2006&BoxScoreID=2368 He got a game misconduct, but re entered when Thompson got booted as well. ccwaters 15:28, 23 February 2007 (UTC) Nice brawl, thanks for bringing that one up. Evilclown93 21:37, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Emery's place of birth.
www.NHL.com it says he was born in Hamilton, but www.MHLPA.com says he's born in Cayuga. Sens site states Hamilton. Which one is it then? Is it same as with Marty McSorley?

Norum 23:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Cayuga is a suburb of Hamilton, Ontario. Cheers! Nhl4hamilton 01:19, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Dude, are you for real? I live in Hamilton and believe me, Cayuga has never been (nor will it ever be) a suburb of the Hammer. Cayuga is in the Haldimand County to start with plus Cayuga is like 15 km south of Hamilton.

Norum 02:04, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * First of all my name is not "Dude", it's Rick. Secondly, Cayuga is listed in the local Hamilton telephone book and is also included in the Hamilton CMA Population figures. Have a good evening. Nhl4hamilton 02:23, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry Rick. I'm just shelf shocked by the fact that someone would consider Cayuga a suburb of Hamilton. Burlington is also included in our phone book, but yet no one considers Burlington to be a part of Hamilton.

Norum 02:27, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Norum, I'm not the one with the power & authority to include Cayuga in the Hamilton CMA population figures. One time someone asked me where Rick Tocchet was from and I answered, "Toronto" and the person disagreed with me. He told me he was from "Scarborough." I don't know if it would work here but maybe instead of having Ray Emery listed as being from "Hamilton, Ontario" we can instead have him listed as being from "Cayuga, Hamilton, Ontario?" Nhl4hamilton 02:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not really sure to be honest. Maybe we should wait to see what others (if) will say?

Norum 02:58, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I've seen Emery listed as being from Hamilton on some hockey publications and Cayuga on some others. I've always thought Cayuga was Hamilton, but then again, maybe some people from Cayuga don't think of themselves as Hamiltonians. All I know is Cayuga is included in the Hamilton Census Metropolitan Population figures. Nhl4hamilton 03:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I know nothing of Cayuga or Hamilton or anything, but unless you list suburbs and the city that the town is a suburb of in the same location in Canada (I really don't know if you do, but I've never seen that before), then "Cayuga, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada" would be incorrect. It's either "Cayuga, Ontario, Canada" or "Hamilton, Ontario, Canada". If Cayuga is a suburb or Hamilton (which is disputed apparently) then it should still list Cayuga as his birthplace unless Cayuga is a district within the town of Hamilton, in which case it should be Hamilton. Anyway, you should go for accuracy, not what city the town is a suburb of, so Cayuga would be better as long as it's sourced. Perhaps there's an interview somewhere with Ray being asked where he's from? Not trying to stir things up, just putting in my two cents.  Bsroiaadn Talk 22:53, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Emery is from Cayuga I am not disputing that at all. All I'm saying is that if we are going to cite sources then I can find just as many sources out there that state Ray Emery is from Hamilton, Ontario and as well as Cayuga, Ontario. Either way, personally doesn't matter for me. I know he's from Cayuga, Ontario. Nhl4hamilton 06:43, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Whether it is Hamilton or Cayuga, it should not read both. We agree on this one then. The best way to solve this is to go with which place is listed more often than the other. So far Hamilton is listed 2 out of 3. Since Cayuga is not within the city of Hamilton, then it should not read Hamilton, Cayuga, Ontario.

Norum 14:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I've actually found alot more sources for citations that have Ray Emery listed as being from Hamilton, Ontario. Nhl4hamilton 18:46, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Let's just stick with Hamilton then.

Norum 22:45, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * O.K. Cheers! Nhl4hamilton 02:47, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

BCOOLJ: He was BORN in Cayuga, NOT Hamilton. He lived in Hamilton, BUT was BORN in Cayuga. Its where he was BORN not which suburb. He also was raised in Cayuga and lived in Cayuga through high school.

Good article nomination on hold
This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of July 8, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:


 * 1. Well written?: Fail I find that there are many sentences that are confusing to the reader and are either too long or are choppy.. For example, this sentence breaks the flow and is overly long: "In 2001, after an 18 win, 29 loss season, Emery was drafted to the NHL by the Ottawa Senators. He was selected 99th overall. Emery had his most successful OHL season in 2001–2002." I would suggest adding a sentence that connects these ideas. Somthing like, "After an 18 win, 29 loss season, Emery was drafted 99th overall in the 2001 NHL draft by the Ottawa Senators. However, he played with the Greyhounds for one more year in 2001-2002, which was his most successful OHL season."


 * I would recommend reformatting the Playing Career section. I would have two sections: Pre-NHL and NHL Career. Keep everything in Pre-NHL, but move his best OHL year to this section. In NHL Career, take out all of the headings. The short paragraphs make the article seem smaller then it is, and other articles about NHL players like Martin Brodeur and Wayne Gretzky do not sort their information season by season.


 * I would also suggest moving all of the fighting information into another heading entitled "Reputation" (or something to that effect) since this is a major aspect of this article.


 * Lastly, I think it would help if the "awards" section was organised into a graph. See the "awards" section in Joe Sakic for ideas on how to organise it.
 * 2. Factually accurate?: Fail Everything is cited correctly, but there is some information I would like cited. This includes, "Emery has a reputation as somewhat of a fighter. In 2000–2001 with the Greyhounds, Emery was involved in 4 on-ice fights. In his first season with Binghamton, Emery was suspended twice," "On Saturday, February 10, 2007, Emery was suspended 3 games from the NHL for slashing Montreal Canadiens forward Maxim Lapierre after Lapierre crashed into Emery's net," "After the altercation, fans and media have dubbed him "Sugar Ray" in reference to retired boxer Sugar Ray Robinson and Emery's reputation as a fighter," and all of the career statistics (Dominik Hašek has an excellent way of citing the stats when they can be updated at any time)
 * 3. Broad in coverage?: Pass However, it is hard to tell because of disorganisation. See below.
 * 4. Neutral point of view?: Pass I especially love how his mother hates it when he fights on the ice :) Excellent work presenting the other side of the story.
 * 5. Article stability? Pass One vandalism revert over the last few days, but nothing serious.
 * 6. Images?: Pass Image is in the free domain.

I am putting this article on hold. In general, I think the main problem this article has is disorganisation. I believe all of the information is here, but it is hard to tell when the article keeps jumping from topic to topic. I would suggest adding more information if you can. I enjoyed reading the information, and this article seems very close to GA status. Keep up the hard work and this will be GA in no time! Please leave a message on my talk page when you are finished with all of the edits and I will review it again. Good luck!

Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. — Z1720 06:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

GA Evaluation #2

 * I was asked to do another evaluation of the article, and here it is! Since #3, 4, 5, and 6 were a pass, I will address #1 (Well Written) and #2 (Factually accurate)


 * 1. Well Written?: Fail Before getting fustrated, know that all the corrections that I suggested were excellently done and the layout looks much better. The only concern I have is with the Pre-NHL section. Some of the sentences are two short and break the flow of the article. I would suggest either combining some of the sentences or expand them. Some possible changes are:


 * "He again had a solid season, winning 27 of 50 games.Emery was also suspended twice for on-ice incidents. He was named to the AHL's All-Rookie team for 2003. Emery's fighiting ways continued during the 2003-2004 season." to "He again had a solid season, winning 27 of 50 games and being named the AHL's All-Rookie team for 2003. However, Emery was suspended twice for on-ice incidents, and his behavior continued into the 2003-2004 season.
 * "He played one more full season in the AHL in 2004–2005. He also played in 6 NHL games with Ottawa." to "He played one more full season in the AHL in 2004–2005, while also playing 6 NHL games with the Ottawa Senators."


 * 2. Factually Accurate?: Fail I would still like to see some of the information cited. This includes:


 * "In 2000–2001 with the Greyhounds, Emery was involved in 4 on-ice fights. "
 * "but due to Gerber's poor play, Emery regained the role of starter in mid-November."
 * "On Saturday, February 10, 2007, Emery was suspended 3 games from the NHL for slashing Montreal Canadiens forward Maxim Lapierre after Lapierre crashed into Emery's net."
 * "After the altercation, fans and media have dubbed him "Sugar Ray" in reference to retired boxer Sugar Ray Robinson and Emery's reputation as a fighter."


 * I will still keep this article on hold, and I'll give you a couple of days to fix the corrections. Although these are many corrections, they are minor ones and this article is VERY close to GA status. Thank you for the quick corrections, and please contact me on my talk page when you want another evaluation. --Z1720 19:17, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

GA Status
As per the changes made on the page, I hereby grant this article GA status. Congratulations, and thank you for all your hard work. :)

Since this looks like an excellent article, I would like to add some advice if you decide to pursue FA status. I would definatly suggest improving the quality of the picture in the article, (especially since the ice looks brown.) I know nothing about editing pictures, but I believe it has to do with improving the contrast and brightness of the pic. Also, I would suggest getting a picture of the mask that had Mike Tyson on it, for visual effect. I am sure you can find a picture of this online somewhere.

Again, congratulations, and if you need anything else, feel free to contact me :) Z1720 22:28, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Infobox Image
Can someone please crop and decrease the size of the image in the infobox? One can barely see Emery. --Hasek is the best 02:23, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, a better image is needed. Are there none available?  The one in the article is pretty dismal.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.38.73.235 (talk) 15:31, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Useful source
See Aside from the fact they used the skeleton of this article, they added info I hadn't found before, and I think this should nicely add to personal/early life sections, which should help pass FAC.  Maxim (talk)  16:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Playing in Russia
...I wonder how the nightlife in Mytishchi is...I think he'd BEG for a TGIFridays now216.223.155.40 (talk) 20:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

haha...so true...I just feel bad that people spent so much time on this article in a way, not to diminsh their work its wonderful that their hard work made this a featured article (the goal of wikipedia), but I imagine there are alot more goaltenders out there more note worthy of this extensive time commitment to bring an article up to par. Ottawa4ever (talk) 13:54, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ray was a very promising goalie. I started work on this when the Sens went to the Finals. I made this an FA last November, but Emery's career has just gone downhill since then...  Maxim (talk)  13:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Still its featured which is a testiment to your hard work, keep it up :) Ottawa4ever (talk) 13:12, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

10 minute vs.game misconduct
it is stated that emery got a '10 minute game misconduct'. 10 minutes is an ordinary misconduct penalty. a game misconduct is the remainder of the game - an ejection. in neither case does the team play short handed. the only '10 minute game misconduct' would be if there was exactly 10 minutes left in the game at the time. see article: penalty:ice hockey. clarification is in order. was it a 10 minute or a game?Toyokuni3 (talk) 03:32, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

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Issues
I've asked that the FAR nomination be closed as out-of-process, because issues are required to be enumerated on the article Talk page so people have a chance to address them. Can someone please describe the issues (in more detail than just what criteria the article doesn't meet)? -- Laser brain  (talk)  13:32, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I am also willing to pitch in and help if the issues are spelled out. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 01:08, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Biological father: African-Canadian vs. Black Canadian
The article currently describes his biological father as "an unnamed African-Canadian". Is that term taken from the cited source article (which I can't read since I don't want to register for a free trial for the site it's on)? According to the intro of Black Canadians, "Many Black people of Caribbean origin in Canada reject the term African Canadian as an elision of the uniquely Caribbean aspects of their heritage, and instead identify as Caribbean Canadian (French: Canadien des Caraïbes). Unlike in the United States, where African American has become a widely used term, in Canada controversies associated with distinguishing African or Caribbean heritage have resulted in the term Black Canadian being widely accepted there." [citations omitted] &mdash;⁠184.248.193.175 (talk) 01:00, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't use that phrasing. It only has a small bit about Emery being a biracial baby. I've rewritten the section anyway as some of the details were wrong.Citing (talk) 05:14, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Add Death Section
Proposal to add section about his death, as is normally done for those who are deceased. Until then this article should probably be tagged as incomplete? Aarondevo (talk) 13:45, 29 November 2019 (UTC)