Talk:Raymond "Shrimp Boy" Chow

Rename to Raymond Chow Kwok-Cheung?

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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus to move.--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 03:51, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Copied from Requested moves:
 * "Kwok" is his Chinese middle name. His full Chinese name is "Chow Kwok-Cheung," Chow being his surname.  — Contributor168 (talk) 08:53, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose. No evidence given for move.  The proposed form, while consistent with Hong Kong usage, is unattested with this American gangster.  The name reflectd in the current title is used in some sources as is simply "Raymond Chow."  Would support a move to Raymond Chow (gangster) if that name can be shown to be the most common. —   AjaxSmack   15:50, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
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"Despite claims that Raymond Chow is no longer involved in criminal activity, many police officers believe that he is still in fact a leading member of the Triad in San Francisco though they have no evidence of any illegal activity. "

"There are many documentaries featuring Raymond Shrimp Boy Chow including: Gangland "Deadly Triangle" on History Channel, "Chinatown Mafia" on National Geographic and a special on Channel 5: 30 Minute Bay Area "The Man in White". He has been selected on Gangland's Most Notorious as the 2010 Most Notorious OG as narrated by rappers Snoop Dogg and Ice T.  As well as a Channel 7 exclusive interview with Alan Wang "Bay Area Gangster turns Celebrity".

Raymond Chow has finished his unpublished memoirs and currently talking to many producers and publishers about his upcoming book and movie project.

He has been doing many public speeches for at risk youth as well as speaking to business professionals on crime prevention. Recently having spoken at the Moscone Center San Francisco to the Leadership Group as invited by Lieutenant Steven Ford and on the same panel as Officer Stewart Ng. He spends much of his time telling the youth to continue with their education as he only has a 3rd grade education and can not read or write English. He encourages them to not waste their lives on gangs, violence and drugs. Through his life experiences he hopes to influence the youth to stay on a positive track with their lives."

I removed from article. find sources, put it back in.50.193.19.66 (talk) 16:32, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Language?
This article might do well with some language clean-up, as there are phrases such as 'ex con with firearm' and 'turned snitch', which sounds more like a late-night action movie than an encyclopedia. As there is a link between this page and that of Leland Yee, it might be that it will see greater traffic, too, increasing the need. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.229.59.62 (talk) 21:24, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 6 February 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. Though there was some disagreement over the appropriate new title, all were agreed that the page should move. DrKiernan (talk) 11:32, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Raymond Chow Kwok-cheung → Raymond "Shrimp Boy" Chow – Despite WP:TITLEFORMAT discouraging quotation marks, the proposed name is commonly used. I wouldn't dream of making Raymond Shrimp Boy Chow the title; it looks awkward without punctuations. Umm... don't dream of making this person the primary subject of "Raymond Chow"; there is another Raymond Chow, the Hong Kong producer/filmmaker. This person is deservingly disambiguated, so either natural or parenthetical disambiguation from WP:AT should be followed. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 07:51, 13 February 2015 (UTC) George Ho (talk) 17:57, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose if you want to use "Shrimp Boy" the destination should be Shrimp Boy. Otherwise keep it the way it is. -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 05:15, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * @70.51.200.101: The point here is the commonality of the current and the proposed title. So far, you opposed it just because you don't like it. See Talk:Ed "Too Tall" Jones and Talk:Robert John "Mutt" Lange. --George Ho (talk) 06:34, 7 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Move to Shrimp Boy - per WP:COMMONNAME. Plus, the only other Shrimp Boy article on here is a redirect to him. Wikimandia (talk) 13:28, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * @Wikimandia: Many sources also use "Raymond Chow". Didn't you know that? --George Ho (talk) 15:08, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, but he's not the primary subject of Raymond Chow, so that is not an option, as mentioned. He is also referred to as Shrimp Boy in headlines of articles of prominent media, so it's not impossible to call him that instead of Raymond "Shrimp Boy" Chow. Wikimandia (talk) 15:15, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Raymond 'Shrimp Boy' Chow: LA Daily News, CBS SF, SF Gate, News.com.au. These sources refer to him as "Chow" also. LA Times uses "Raymond Chow" and "Shrimp boy", but it also refers him as "Chow". --George Ho (talk) 15:25, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Move to Raymond Chow (triad). The commonname of the subject from the reliable sources that I have found is Raymond Chow. Therefore what should occur is that the article Raymond Chow should be moved to Raymond Chow (actor) and this article moved as I suggested above, and a disambiguation page be created.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:52, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * What's happening to literacy nowadays, including yours, User:RightCowLeftCoast? The other Raymond Chow was not an actor but a filmmaker or producer. --George Ho (talk) 01:24, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, why not Raymond Chow (criminal)? --George Ho (talk) 04:42, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Support. The proposed title is reasonable, natural-sounding, used by many sources (see George Ho's next-to last comment), and makes a natural disambiguation. Why don't we opt for that option, then, and instead try to dance around naming conventions? They're just conventions and guidelines, not hard rules. No such user (talk) 12:12, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Support. Consistent with sources and common use. Blackguard  20:04, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


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The result of the move request was: not moved. Number   5  7  09:38, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Raymond "Shrimp Boy" Chow → Shrimp Boy – or Raymond Chow (organized crime) – but not a combination of the two, look at any organized crime figure, all have nicknames but we don't add them in quotations on the middle of their name. We don't have Salvatore "Sammy the Bull" Gravano or Angelo "Quack Quack" Ruggiero. See Naming conventions (people). It is the Wikipedia style to not embed nicknames, despite how others use it. The rule reads "Notable distinctions can be explained in the article, but avoid (for example) adding a nickname, or a contracted version of the original first name(s) in quotes between first and last name. For example: Bill Clinton, not William "Bill" Clinton." --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 00:12, 15 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Wikipedia naming guidelines appear ambiguous in the case where a person is actually known by a full name containing a quoted nickname - see the point about Ed "Too Tall" Jones already brought up above (and Gravano ought to be at Sammy "The Bull" Gravano rather than the currently used title as well). In this case, the original article title of "Raymond Chow Kwok-cheung" is not how the subject is known in English, "Raymond Chow" is ambiguous, and "Shrimp Boy " alone doesn't match how he is named in the media. The current title is superior to all of them. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 03:45, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Move to Raymond Chow (criminal) per WP:NICKNAME, as with other criminals like Clem Grogan, Tex Watson, Lynette Fromme, Whitey Bulger, Stephen Flemmi, James McLean (mobster), Howie Winter, Sammy Gravano, etc. This is not a universally recognized stage name usage like Ed "Too Tall" Jones, Lee "Scratch" Perry, "Weird Al" Yankovic, Evelyn "Champagne" King, Clarence "Frogman" Henry, Clarence "Gatemouth" Brown or Donald "Duck" Dunn. —BarrelProof (talk) 04:43, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Even parenthetical disambiguation doesn't help either. Sources still frequently use his first and last names. By the way, I did propose the title, which is the current title. George Ho (talk) 06:19, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose as per George Ho. Tiggerjay (talk) 17:53, 22 October 2015 (UTC)


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 * I have stared with some dismay at the block of references linked above for a few years now. I have started to add author and date, and arrange them in chronological order so they become more useful for insertion into the article. Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 23:01, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Jim Tat Kong & Cindy Bao Feng Chen
Gray Toyota minivan was parked on the 31000 block of Highway 20, near gate leading to the "bark dump" according to contemporary coverage. Approximate location is 39.4149°N, -123.76714°W. Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 17:13, 26 August 2019 (UTC)