Talk:Raymond Franz

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Seeing that wikipedia is a FREE - open source information center, I feel that it is inappropriate to quote a source unavailable to the lamen observer requiring special authority to access hidden information. i.e. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,922767-1,00.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.58.27.171 (talk) 13:12, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * While wikipedia is itself a free resource, that in no way implies its scope should be limited to resources that are also free, and maintaining a paid membership to Time magazine hardly qualifies as "special authority." Anyone can access it, they need only pay for a membership.  It is frustrating though, when a cited source isn't available for free, or is for other reasons not easily available.  However, that doesn't meant those sources shouldn't be used at all.  If you want more information, you can check out WP:PAYWALL.  Rytyho usa (talk) 11:24, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Added a link to an archived version of the above Time magazine article that displays the article in full. Jhowar59 (talk) 11:25, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

LA Times article
While it may be true that "Franz stated the request for his resignation and his subsequent disfellowshipping resulted from allegations of apostasy", I don't believe the article cited supports this statement. In regards to his disfellowshipping, it has only this to say (last sentence): "Franz was disfellowshipped at the end of 1981 in a case involving his changed views of the organization's theology". The article doesn't indicate that Franz himself was stating anything, doesn't give a reason for his resignation, and doesn't use the term  "apostasy". Jhowar59 (talk) 12:10, 12 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Apostasy, by its very definition, is the changing of one's views of an organization's theology. The man even wrote a book called "Crisis of Conscience" about his apostasy. I'm not sure what more you want. Rezin8