Talk:Raymond Martini

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Why "Ramón Martí" instead of "Ramon Martí", as his name is spelled in Catalan, Martí's language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.59.138.247 (talk) 17:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Requested move 12 July 2016

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The result of the move request was: moved as unopposed. (non-admin closure) — Andy W.  ( talk  · ctb) 20:58, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Ramón Martí → Raymond Martini – to reflect the commoner name in English sources. Details follow. This dude has a lot of names. The following are Google Books hits designed to tease out this person in English sources in order of frequency:

Raymond Martini + Pugio Fidei + Jewish: 594 hits Raymond Martin + Pugio Fidei + Jewish: 512 hits Ramon Marti + Pugio Fidei + Jewish: 488 hits (includes hits with one or both acute accents; link to results for details) Raymund Martini + Pugio Fidei + Jewish: 357 hits Raymundus Martini + Pugio Fidei + Jewish: 339 hits Raymund Martin + Pugio Fidei + Jewish: 186 hits Raimundus Martini + Pugio Fidei + Jewish: 127 hits Raymundus Martinus + Pugio Fidei + Jewish: 92 hits Raymond Marti + Pugio Fidei + Jewish: 32 hits Raymundus Martin + Pugio Fidei + Jewish: 13 hits Raymondus Martini + Pugio Fidei + Jewish: 12 hits Ramon Martini + Pugio Fidei + Jewish: 12 hits Ramon Martin + Pugio Fidei + Jewish: 11 hits * Variants with fewer than 10 hits are not included. I may have missed a few.

"Raymond Martini" is the single most common spelling. "Martini" with various first names is far more common than "Marti/Martí" and a bit more common than "Martin". "Raymond/Raymund" is also far more common than "Ramon/Ramón" or "Raymundus/Raimundus". The current form with accents on both names is quite uncommon. Based on these results, I propose a move to Raymond Martini. —  AjaxSmack  16:48, 12 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment. Can't quite figure out why, but this proposal has wound up in the Time could not be ascertained section at the list, so I've made some changes to try to fix this. As you know, the disposition of this RM might be delayed because the bot cannot figure out what time slot to use.  Wikipedian Sign Language  Paine   18:07, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * (by removing one of two sigs – please use only one sig when making a move request)  Paine 
 * Sorry. My bust.  I was trying to avoid having the entire list of Google Books hits appear on the WP:RM page.  I guess it doesn't work that way. —  AjaxSmack   02:32, 14 July 2016 (UTC)


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Doesn't Wikipedia's neutral-point-of-view policy require that we write not "proves," but "endeavors to prove"? Toddcs (talk) 17:12, 29 October 2023 (UTC)