Talk:Razer (robot)/Archive 1

NPOV dispute
A while ago this article, which at the time was rather woeful, was hit by a NPOV dispute and a cleanup. I've done some work on it, but I don't know if its satisfactory yet. Someone please take a look. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.105.34.180 (talk • contribs) 07:38, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I was the one who put the tags in. It's looking much better, but I'll hold off on a closer look until I'm done with some other stuff. Could be a couple days. Of course, this being Wikipedia, anyone else is free to decide if the tags are no longer needed. Drat (Talk) 09:07, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I've removed the NPOV tag--it's no longer needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oscaroo (talk • contribs) 19:58, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Sumo Basho
Razer did not win the Sumo Basho tournament. I saw the filming myself, and I did see Razer knock Shunt off the ring, but for some reason this did not make the final cut. Consequently, Panic Attack won it, as they, in the final cut, did knock Shunt off the ring. Lenin &amp; McCarthy 05:38, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Mediation
Hi folks. user:Lucy-marie has requested some help resolving the dispute over the content of this article. I've now looked through the edit history and would like to offer a few comments and suggestions to get a discussion started.

As a preliminary comment, please try and keep your edit summaries civil and a plain summary of the edit - there is no need to try and conduct an argument via the summaries. If you think you need to do so, the edit is probably not right and it would be better to discuss the matter via the talk page. Please locate all discussion on the talk page of the article to which the comment relates - that way it is near the relevant material and people can read the course of the discussion easily. I note that User:Lenin & McCarthy has attempted to discuss this on [[user_talk:Lucy-marie

It seems to me there are two issues here - firstly, a disagreement over the style of the page, and secondly, over the presence of certain succession boxes.

The second one seems simple to resolve - which party is correct in their assertion as to who won the contest? Please post references to back-up what you think is correct.

The first one is more difficult as it is personal taste. User:Lenin & McCarthy prefers a shorter style, while user:Lucy-marie prefers a longer style. For my personal preference as a total outsider to the subject (well, other than doing some of the electronics work on SMIDSY), the shorter version is far more readable. I open the floor here for the parties to explain why their version is preferable and hopefully a conclusion can be reached.

In the meantime, can I request that both parties refrain from editing the article - OK, so its not in the style everyone would want, but stopping editing will hopefully prevent an edit war and allow a discussion to ensue. Kcordina Talk 08:03, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Proposal of common ground and personal veiws by Lucy-Marie
For my personal taste of the edits being longer there should be as much information avaliable to new users who do not know much if anything about the subject. as i advocate more inforamtion is a better page then there should be a way of making the pages easy to read but also to contain the maximum amount of information possible. I think that the pages on wikipedia should be of a liquid nature. by that i mean that each page should have a form of its own indivduality and not one of that of a 'standadised' page generic form advocated by L&M. I understand that the pages my be easier to read but it is not necessary to remove absolutly everthing about all the battles, and the have note-worthy battles. If this was to be the case what constitutes a note-worthy battle. Some people will argue like myself all battles are notworthy as thay show how that robot progressed thorugh history. Others will say that only a grand final will be noteworthy, and some will say no battle is noteworthy. My opinion is that the more information avaliable the better it can then be seen as to the precise nature of the history the robot had. Also for people who view these as too hard to read there should be a section such as in the tonado page of a summary aswell. I think there should be a merging of both ideas rather than all down one road.Lucy-marie 12:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Save this page
This page should be saved from delletion as the robot Is the most successfull robot In robot wars history there was also an edit war over this page so that proves that is page should be saved as It Is cared abbout by some people. This page also has mediation verdicts binding to It so deletion would beiniapropriate as time has been spent sorting this page out. There was almost an arbitration verdict on this page so the wikipeida arbitrators obviously thought this page was important enough for there considerarion. If this page get deleted then every other robot from robot wars may as well get deleted as well as this is the most successfull robot of them all deleting this page would leave no reason for any other page of robots to besaved so I think we should keep robot wars on wikipedia and not delete it.--Lucy-marie 14:26, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Notability
Not sure how you would want to reference it, but Razer is mentioned in the book "Build Your Own Combat Robot" by Pete Miles and Tom Carroll (ISBN-10: 0072194642). As it has mention in third-party publications, it is going to pass Wikipedia's general notability requirements. Adding that as a reference should support the official 1st-party references.144.92.206.92 (talk) 23:02, 13 July 2008 (UTC)