Talk:Razumovsky

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I would like to see a source given for Andrei Razumovsky's "participation in the murder of Gustav III of Sweden and Paul I of Russia". Mstarli (talk) 01:16, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Where it is stated that Camillo Razumovsky "caused a commotion by flaunting the social conventions of 19 C Vienna" this should be changed to "flouting the social conventions of 19 C Vienna". To flaunt something means to display it ostentatiously whilst to flout something means to show contempt for it or disregard it.I believe the latter is the meaning the writer intends to convey. Mother shipton (talk) 12:18, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a Ukrainian noble family of Rozymovsky/Rozym
--BezosibnyjUA (talk) 16:20, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * This is a Ukrainian noble family of Rozymovsky/Rozym, and it doesn't even list the category of Ukrainian nobility, only Russian. How encyclopedic is that?
 * This Ukrainian noble family has only two spellings in English. One Rozym (Ukrainian Розум), which was the initial spelling of the family forefather cossack. And then during Polish rulling over Ukraine, the last name got changed into sounding more like a Polish surname, so it became Rozymovsky. That's it, all other spelling (including Russified spelling Razumovsky, are incorrect spelling, since the don't carry the Ukrainian origin of this noble family. --BezosibnyjUA (talk) 16:20, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Here are examples of proper spelling of Rozymovsky, to prove the point:
 * Ukrainian newspaper Den' (http://www.day.kiev.ua/267103/ Music From Rozumovsky’s Collection)
 * American newspaper of Ukrainian emigrants Svoboda (http://www.scribd.com/doc/16352552/The-Ukrainian-Weekly-197721 )


 * Dear BezosibnyjUA, just wondering, do you really know something about Razumovsky? First of all is to be said, that the last name Razumovsky is not some kind of Polish form of Rosum, it is not some kind of changing "during Polish rulling over Ukraine" as you said. Kirill and Alexey Rozum were living in Russian Empire, not in Poland. The form Razumovsky means only one thing: to become a Count title Kirill and Alexey, which were from a simple Cossack family Rozum, must get a "noble form" of the name. The typical "noblefication" of the second name in Russia is a using of an ending form "sky" (see: Shuysky, Kurbsky, Aivazovsky etc.). That's why Russian Empress changed Rozum to Razumovsky (sic! not Rozumovsky - this form is just a modern Ukrainified variant of form Razumovsky). Compare with Tudors, which were known before as ap Twddur. This is the same situation. Before Kirill and Alexey became Russian Counts, they were well known in St. Petersbung as Kirill and Alexey Grigoriev (not as Rozum). Secondly is to be said, that Kirill had a noble Russian wife and Alexei was even a favorite of Tsarin of Russia, so Razumovsky's children had ethnic Dnepr-Cossacks roots, but only partly. The same story with the House of Tudor. For example Kirill Razumovsky was married to Catherine Naryshkina, (sic!) a cousine of Tsarin Elizabeth of Russia. Andrey Razumovsky, Kirill's son, was married to Elizabeth Tun-Hohenstein etc. So the children of Razumovsky had blood of the House of Romanov. I hope now it's clear for you, why the House of Razumovsky is a Russian noble family. With best wishes, 91.9.158.241 (talk) 12:15, 29 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Most of English-language wikipedia has everything related to Ukraine spelled after Russian manner, and not Ukrainian, since from the beginning of Wikipeida history Russian-patriots tried to make everything Ukrainian look Russian. As for proof as to why Rozumovsky is the correct spelling, you don't need to go far, just look at encyclopedia Britannica: Britannica:Kyrylo Rozumovsky --24.97.210.50 (talk) 17:06, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Some confusion about the naming convention
, considering that the entire article is unsourced, I'd like to see your sources for the use of the new lead: "Razumovsky (Разумовский), Ukrainified: Розумовський, formerly transliterated as Rasumowski, Rasumofsky and Rasoumofsky) is a Russian and then an Austrian noble family of Ukrainian-born Register-Cossacks origin." Forgive me if I'm incorrect about edit summaries, but reverting my revert of a reworking of the standing lead by an IP with providing a WP:ES of "the edits were perfectly valid" does not appear to conform with WP:BRD.

Please explain "perfectly valid" here on the talk page. Thank you for your collaboration in advance. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:11, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Still completely unsourced
Considering that the entire article has been unsourced, and tagged as such, since 2009, it's undergone some miraculously informative WP:POV changes in the last couple of months. Even more remarkably, I posted a comment here regarding the matter only recently, yet these unsourced assertions have continued with no contributors being interested in discussing content changes on the talk page. These WP:TALK pages exist for an excellent reason: that is to discuss the verifiability of the content of the article, and to find and discuss reliable sources on which to base the content. It would be appreciated if contributors used this page as intended, rather than continue a WP:OR article. Thank you for your consideration. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:05, 29 September 2014 (UTC)