Talk:Read My Lips (Sophie Ellis-Bextor album)

Ross Newell
For GFDL purposes: material on Ross Newell just incorporated here came from the article Ross Newell, sole author User:Madeofstars. It is now redirected here per discussion with User:Secret and User:Philosopher following the AfD on it.  Ty  06:08, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Ross Newell in this article
Information on Ross Newell was removed with the edit summary, "removed Ross Newell info which is obviously out of place in this album article / if he is notable the info should be in his own Wikipedia article". That is a wrong application of notability which applies to an article subject, not article content, per WP:NNC. Newell has made a significant contribution to this album, so it is valid to provide some information about him, as it would be for the other musicians involved.

This was discussed following the AfD where he was not considered to pass the WP:N threshold for a stand-alone article. The article was recreated and then deleted again by Philosopher, with whom the discussion took place. There is therefore a consensus existing to include this material, and discussion should take place on this page to achieve a different consensus to remove it.  Ty  08:14, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I really don't understand what the Ross Newell article is doing here. It has absolutely nothing to do with the album or Sophie Ellis-Bextor but seems more of a trick to get Newell his own mini-article. The only thing about Newell which maybe should be mentioned in this article about Ready My Lips is the fact that he had something to do with the album but al the info about his life and relationships should really be removed since it makes this article look like a Ross Newell-fanpage... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.196.133.9 (talk) 10:42, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I can only agree with everything said by User:84.196.133.9 above. I am no fan of referenced info being removed from Wikipedia, but biographical info of any kind is totally out of place in an album article. If a consensus is required, I vote for the removal of this biographical info. Memphisto (talk) 12:27, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia article content is not decided by voting, but by application of policies and guidelines. You might note per WP:TPA, a long standing page, that the "perfect article"... "acknowledges and explores all aspects of the subject; i.e., it covers every encyclopedic angle of the subject." Clearly the people who contribute to an album—writers, musicians and producers—are a valid aspect of the subject, as without them, it wouldn't exist in the first place. I have added more information about some of the people who contributed to this album, thus providing the reader with more insight into the varied talents behind its creation. Wikipedia is not a directory, which simply lists tracks.  This is an article, which needs to cover the subject in depth.  Ty  10:20, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Regarding album articles WikiProject_Albums states that "a personnel section should be included under a primary heading "Personnel" and should generally be formatted as an bulleted list of names and forms of participation ... The names should always be linked if an article exists." - Additionally, no other album article I have seen on Wikipedia includes biographical information, so I would imagine a consensus already exists. Memphisto (talk) 12:36, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * That is a general recommendation, though I note that it is widely adopted. However, I see no reason why information on the contributors to an album should be limited to merely a bulleted list. I didn't know anything about this album previously, and having added some background information on those who have written for it and performed on it, I gained insight into the nature of musicianship which made it possible. It increased my understanding, and would no doubt increase the understanding and insight of other readers. On that basis, it is a valid inclusion. If there is a consensus somewhere to exclude such information, it does not seem in accord with general practice on writing articles, and furthermore consensus can change.  Ty  23:15, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Bios on the producers?
Does this article really need bios on the producers?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.224.78 (talk) 03:35, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * They are a relevant aspect of the subject. See talk above.  Ty  23:12, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

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German reissue
The mentioned German reissue is an unofficial release as stated on the Discogs website that the link leads to. I think because of that it should not be part of this article. Any other opinions on that? NayruLink (talk) 13:07, 29 January 2021 (UTC)