Talk:Real ID Act

Funding for REAL ID Act
http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/pr_1229446699591.shtm <--- Department of Homeland Security's Press Release on the matter. --Megwhit1012 (talk) 21:53, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Clarification re: Michigan
The article currently states that Michigan both a)has passed anti-Real ID legislation and b)adopted a pro-Real ID stance. Additionally, the link cited for part b is broken. On Thermonuclear War (talk) 04:55, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Broken Links
References 76 and 77 on this page are broken links. 128.36.71.33 (talk) 14:54, 6 February 2012 (UTC)Howie

Reference 12 was also broken. I've replaced it with a link to the Federal Register version of the document. This link should be stable. Musonius (talk) 07:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Broken Links
Sources 82-84 have broken links — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dryan910 (talk • contribs) 17:55, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

New information regarding Ohio's rejection
As of Dec 6 2013, Ohio has rejected REAL ID act implementation. http://www.dispatch.com//content/stories/local/2013/12/06/state-pulls-plans-to-comply-with-federal-id-law.html. Putting this in the talk section since I don't know what the vision is of the authors regarding state by state implementation or rejection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.0.34.2 (talk) 12:08, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

State compliance graphic is misleading
The graphic associated with the page only lists official compliance - a binary - not whether a state meets or exceeds the requirements, or what stance they've taken. As such, it's misleading; most states already meet or exceed the requirements. 174.62.68.53 (talk) 00:51, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

The graphic is out of date and inconsistent with the State adoption and non-compliance section. As an example, Indiana is shown as dark gray (filed extension) on the map but is listed as compliant in the referenced section. ejly (talk) 12:37, 2 November 2015 (UTC) 12:36, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

The graphic also lists at least one state, Tennessee, as being compliant when Tennessee is definitely NOT compliant, as of January, 2015.

Looks like acronym
The title looks like an acronym, but seems not to be. There must have been some press commentary on why the acronymic fetish for gov't programs is attractive to bill-drafters, and in what sense(s) it was argued that REAL ID was more real than its predecessors. Off-hand, it looks like a hint that lack of standards for counterfeiting-resistance was an issue or a red herring. Should be addressed. --Jerzy•t 11:52, 11 May 2015 (UTC)


 * See . Also, code name says "In the United States code names are commonly set entirely in upper case." A bill/law nickname is not a codename in the strict sense, but I wonder if the cultural impetus is not there. Arlo James Barnes 23:04, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

ID renewal / birth certificate Catch-22
My state ID expired on my 65th birthday. Then I discovered that, because Real-ID had been implemented in Arizona, I needed to present my birth certificate in order to renew my ID. However, before sending me a copy of my birth certificate, the San Francisco County Recorder requires me to send them a notarized form. But Arizona notaries require a CURRENT ID for identification before notarizing any form. So I am now and forever an "undocumented citizen." Many others have the same problem. (Google for "catch-22 id renewal birth certificate")  But I have yet to find a solution. This problem should be mentioned in the article. Or better yet the solution, if there is one. Ray Eston Smith Jr (talk) 21:34, 2 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Arizona has fairly typical requirements placed on the notary to identify the signer who appears before the notary, explained in the Arizona notary manual beginning on page 19. You can find a notary who knows you, in which case you don't need any ID. Or, you can bring a person with you when you visit the notary; the person you bring must know you and have ID. Arizona offers a search page where you can search for a notary in your area who you know. Jc3s5h (talk) 23:00, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Why is this article rated as "low importance"?
For me and at least 40,000 others (41,400 hits on Google search for "catch-22 id renewal birth certificate"), it is of vital importance. Without a valid ID, I cannot file a Social Security change-of-address, therefore I cannot get my Medicare card, therefore I cannot get medical care. This is literally a matter of life-or-death.

Ray Eston Smith Jr (talk) 21:44, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

needs a major rewrite
finding it hard to plow through, and I a) have a reason to read it and b) have a very high tolerance for gobbledegook Elinruby (talk) 12:29, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

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Papersplease.org seems unreliable
I reverted two edits because they rely, at least in part, on papersplease.org because the site seems to be biased and unreliable. The headline at the page that was cited reads "DHS continues to threaten states that resist the REAL-ID Act", which doesn't seem like neutral language. On the same page we see a link named "CDC proposes martial law in the guise of 'medical quarantine'"; the idea of a medical institution proposing martial law seems quite unbelievable. If the editor really wishes to use this source, I request it be discussed at WP:Reliable sources noticeboard first. Jc3s5h (talk) 17:24, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * It seems from https://www.thefirstamendment.org/programs#identity and their contact page that you are correct; I think it is different from the Freedom Forum but it's a little difficult to say. Arlo James Barnes 23:19, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Advice on addition
I would like to add to the article the following line:

"In many states a Driver's License in compliance with the REAL ID act is marked by a star in one of the card's corners"

In which paragraph should I add this? 84.94.119.60 (talk) 12:29, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I added this aspect in the implementation section, with more details and images. Heitordp (talk) 18:16, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

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Requested move 4 April 2018

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The result of the move request was: move. General consensus for a move. (closed by page mover) feminist (talk) 02:26, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

REAL ID Act → Real ID Act – or, per WP:TITLETM / MOS:ALLCAPS / MOS:TMCAPS / MOS:TM ("use: Time, Kiss, Asus, Sony Mobile ... avoid: TIME, KISS, ASUS, SONY Mobile"). Although the all-caps styling is used in some sources (perhaps especially in the self-published sources from the U.S. federal government), it is not used consistently in either the cited independent reliable sources or within the Wikipedia article itself. The article contains more than 100 instances of "Real ID" with mixed-case styling, and only 81 instances of "REAL ID" with all-caps. The "REAL" does not appear to be an abbreviation (or at least not one that is widely known, if it exists). The all-caps styling seems to merely be for emphasis. Please also see the July 2005 comment with the heading "Acronym?" in the Talk page archive and the May 2015 comment on the article talk page with the heading "Looks like acronym". —BarrelProof (talk) 22:22, 4 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Dicklyon (talk) 22:57, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Support not an acronym In ictu oculi (talk) 09:57, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Support move per above. Most sources do not treat "REAL" as an acronym.  ONR  (talk)  19:08, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Support Rreagan007 (talk) 15:32, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose due to insufficient case for change. The odd capitalization is derived from the text of the legislation itself.  The argument for change is unpersuasive as it relies heavily on citing the rules for dealing with trademarks, which are irrelevant in this case, as the article title does not involve a trademark or anything substantially similar to a trademark.  The sole relevant evidence is a list (which appears to be not necessarily exhaustive) of cases in which all caps is the norm.  I would argue for fixing the inconsistent capitalization in the article.Lambsbridge (talk) 23:58, 7 April 2018 (UTC)


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Alternatives
Can we get a list of compliant alternatives where you don't need a REAL ID? Nickvet419 (talk) 15:49, 15 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Compliant with what? What kind of situations are you thinking of where a person does not need a REAL ID? Jc3s5h (talk) 16:06, 15 November 2019 (UTC)


 * passport, military id. I believe intended question is "Can we get .... when you don't HAVE a REAL ID?GangofOne (talk) 23:55, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the question means can we get a list of IDs that will be satisfactory substitutes for a REAL ID, and which can be obtained without having a REAL ID? But I don't think we can give such a list unless Nickvet419 specifies which situations this substitute ID will be used in. For example, when boarding an aircraft within the US, a valid foreign passport is satisfactory, and obviously not subject to the REAL ID Act. But if you went to Texas and wanted to get a notarization for something other than a real estate transaction, the foreign passport would not be satisfactory. Jc3s5h (talk) 12:04, 13 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I added a section listing the IDs accepted for boarding flights in the US, which seems to be by far the most significant consequence of the Real ID Act. Heitordp (talk) 18:16, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Drivers' license or Driver's license ?
Neither. Driver license. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/dmv/dl also: driver licenses, not drivers licenses -- user:GangofOne, 2020-02-12T16:59:31‎


 * On the other hand: http://www.mvd.newmexico.gov/drivers-license.aspx I don't think it matters terribly. Perhaps a nice sidestep might be "driver identification document"? After all, it is merely proof of licensure, not the test etc. itself. Arlo James Barnes 23:13, 12 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I changed it to driver license (plural driver licenses), everywhere in the article except quotes, as it's the title shown on most driver licenses in the US. Heitordp (talk) 18:16, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Rewriting section more neutrally: Waiving laws that interfere with construction of border barriers
> As of 2020, in the regions where wall construction is taking place, this section of the law (Section 102) is having significant and measurable negative impacts on the natural and cultural heritage of the United States.

This statement is supported by evidence in the subsequent sentences, but presents this opinion without reporting the potential benefits, and moreover, this type of analysis is largely irrelevant to the description of the law itself which is what this article is about. Any thoughts on ways to improve?


 * I moved this paragraph to the criticism section, and changed the sentence to: In 2020, the section of the Real ID Act waiving laws that could interfere with construction of the border barrier had a negative impact on the natural and cultural environment of the border area. Heitordp (talk) 18:16, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

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