Talk:Real Madrid CF/Archive 2

Tired of "Francoist Madrid" across wikipedia
Why in all the articles that talk about Real Madrid we have the same texts? These are texts that establish people from Madrid as "francoist people" and Real Madrid as a representative of an "Spanish Centralized State". These subjective and personal perceptions (written by Barça supporters), dont have any empirical basis to be written in a Wikipedia article. Madrid has hundreds of millions ofsupporters around the world. If you want to write that scum in wikipedia, you should make a poll asking football fans and Real Madrid fans if they think that Real Madrid "represents Spanish centralized state". I should remember you that Barça gave 2 "insignias" to Francisco Franco during the dictatorship? And what about that president, Sanchez Guerra, who was taken into jail by francoists? He was the official Real Madrid president. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cid Campeador (talk • contribs) 10:47, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I've highlighted several policies on your talk page, but another worth noting is assume good faith. Accusing people of adding biased information becuase they are Barca supporters goes against this (and there appears little evidence that those who added this information, or the articles they are based on, support Barcelona). As I've now said several times to you - find some reliable sources of your own which disprove the claim that Madrid are perceived as being associated with the centralised Spanish State and it can be added to the article. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 11:46, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It doesn't work like that Lord Cornwallis. That text is tendentious hence violates the Neutrality Policy. It expresses a very subjective opinion that has no empirical basis whatsoever. That's why the text should be eliminated and whoever chooses to do so would be carrying out a pretty legitimate action. Spooki (talk) 12:30, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism in Supporters
"One of the favorite places for Real Madrid fans is the calle Montera between Gran Via and the Puerta del Sol, here those who have no tickets to the match meet new people and relaxed before the start of a game. When Real Madrid wins a title it is traditional for the fans to go to the Cibeles with a blue shirt and sing facing the sun as the team arrives."

I guess this is some kind of joke that must have been done without any bad intention. Anyway Montera is a famous street where prostitution is widespread and there is no connexion between it and Real Madrid fans.

The other comment (both without any basis or refference), goes beyond the limits of joking and insults many people by calling them fascists. All that is written has to do with Falange symbols taken during the Franco dictatorship as common to demonstrate affiliation to it. So please, remove both of them, as Wikipedia must be a serious place in which to read serious and respectful articles. Kikermadrid (talk) 15:33, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

No one cares here about vandalism. Real Madrid fans are still insulted.
In this article, I say it again, Real Madrid fans are said to usually go with prostitutes and are called fascists! We have been asking for these false and insulting matters to be deleted, but it seems that nobody cares. Allright, but the main victim is Wikipedia itself.

Lol you guys do have some fascist past but i never heard about the bitches. btw i didnt mean u were all fascists.

"They are known for their right-wing politics. The Ultras Sur have developed an alliance with some S.S. Lazio Irriducibili fans. On several occasions they have racially abused opposing players, and have been investigated by UEFA for doing so.[56][57]" What about a separate page for controversies and fan sanctions please. This kind of problem occurs all over Europe. No need to single out RM in the Encyclopedia. I was in an RM game at Bernabeu in 2001 and saw first hand RM fans (in neo nazi gear) booing (among other things) Ronaldo after scoring a goal. It was disgusting. But this still has no place in this article. It's a more widespread problem across Europe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.153.140.10 (talk) 20:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

-- "One of the favorite places for Real Madrid fans is the calle Montera between Gran Via and the Puerta del Sol, here those who have no tickets to the match meet new people and relaxed before the start of a game. When Real Madrid wins a title it is traditional for the fans to go to the Cibeles with a blue shirt and sing facing the sun as the team arrives."

You - non spanish - simply do not understand: this paragraph is a bad taste joke!!! It must be removed because it does not refer to any real event ever lived by anyone!!! It is simply a bad taste joke, that means exactly as if in the bayern munich article they said that the bayern fans celebrate their titles wearing svastikas and shouting heil hitler. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.122.113.96 (talk) 21:55, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Ruben De la Red
FYI, De la Red is still in the current RM squad just like Van Gol, only he's not starting next season due to an injury so he has no jersey number at the moment:
 * This point may be moot since it's trading season, but technically he's still in the squad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.153.140.10 (talk) 20:22, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey, this guy has a bad heart, he suffered a fainting during a game and passed out, so he is monitoring his heart very very closely. I fell bad for him and may God save him.

--Fuwikepedia (talk) 15:49, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Adidas Deal
Under the Brand section it talks of a deal with Adidas for "762 million" but the currency is not noted. Anyone got any more on this? --93.96.19.132 (talk) 21:32, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Benzema
Could you please stop adding him to the squad? From the Real Madrid press release: ''Real Madrid C.F. and Olympique Lyonnais have reached an agreement for the transfer of Karim Benzema. The player will have his medical examination in the next few days, which will be followed by the signing of the contract with his new club'' It's pretty simple - the only thing they're announcing is that Lyon and Real have agreed to the transfer. Benzema and Real will still have to work out personal terms, and then he has to go through physicals, and then, and only then, is he a Real Madrid player. --Mosmof (talk) 22:49, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No. He has a spot on the squad list on the website, they're talking about him on the site as though he's already a team member.  Members of the press are referring to him as a Real player.  The only one who thinks he's not, is you. SpartanSWAT10 (talk) 16:39, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

CR9 - Cristiano Ronaldo
there were reports back in January that his CR7 trademark was registered as CR9 therefore it is reported that he will become number 9. people keep putting it in, so best to leave it until Real confirm his number.

also Benzema is officially a Real player, he has a squad page on the site, it confirms he will sign the contract the medical just has to be taken for precausions. Albiol was listed on the squad before his medical, and has Ronaldo had his yet? not entirely sure.

plus no numbers are confirmed until the real site says so. so no changes on the unassigned players. De la Red is at the bottom due to him not being assigned a squad number and will sit out the upcoming season until further notice due to his health issues. therefore he is not number 18 as of today.

XTomScottx (talk) 14:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with TomScott. I know that it's likely that CR will be assigned the 9 shirt and have heard numerous reports of his brand becoming CR9 but nothing of any real concrete significance. Not to mention that his profile page on the clubs site still has him numberless. (http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/en/1193041476158/1202773887674/jugador/Jugador/Cristiano_Ronaldo.htm).

Same goes for Benzema. IMO, that note saying he isn't a part of the official squad should be removed because realmadrid.com has added his profile to their first team page, without a number of course. (http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/en/1193041476158/1202775163178/jugador/Jugador/Benzema.htm)

Also, I do recall reading somewhere that Ronaldo HAD completed his physical perfectly. However, I cannot recall where I found that article or if it was even on Real's site.

Splitfire1000 21:51, 2 July 2009 (PST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Splitfire1000 (talk • contribs)

Seems to me that Ronaldo will be having his presentation to the club on Monday (apparently it was set for either June 30, July 3, or July 6. Since the only day left is Monday, that must be it), so I assume that's when his kit number will be unveiled. there really is no choic but 9, given the La Liga player numbering rules (which, in my opinion the system they use is a little crazy...) Splitfire1000 (talk) 01:00, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

notable past players
would it be possible to have a notable past players section on the page? I know some pages for smaller clubs have them directly in the article, but Manchester United has a seperate page with a link under "notable players" here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Manchester_United_F.C._players

it can't be argued that Real Madrid has signed and created its fair share of superstars so this would be a worthy section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Splitfire1000 (talk • contribs) 04:44, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

#13 for Dudek
If Madrid doesn't sign a third goalkeeper, Jerzy Dudek will wear #13 by default. Numbers 1, 13 and 25(if a club registers three goalkeepers) are reserve for goalkeepers. Therefore, if Madrid only has two goalkeepers on the roster, Dudek has to wear 13. Raul17 (talk) 12:21, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * That's absolutely not true. There are no numbers reserved for any position on the squad.  Dudek is free to wear whatever number he wishes.  He could wear number 10 if it were free and the club assigned it to him. SpartanSWAT10 (talk) 08:55, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Dude, for the past four seasons the Rfef has the rule in its books! In the Primera División (and also the Segunda División) clubs are limited to twenty-five players. They must have jersey numbers between 1 and 25. Players from the reserves or youth teams must have jersey numbers starting at 26 and higher. If a club has two goalkeepers on the books, one must wear #1 and the other #13. If a club has three 'keepers, then #25 must be registered to a goalkeeper. Raul17 (talk) 19:35, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

why this topic is locked
barca isn't locked —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yahavx (talk • contribs) 14:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC) Locked? I think you are talking about semi-protection. Yes, due to the frequent edit warring to the club squad, the administrator semi-protected the article. Barca has no too much squad changes, so there is less edit warring, and the administrators have no excuse to protect the article. Raymond Giggs 13:11, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

yes thats wat i was talking about so when it will be opened again? thankss —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yahavx (talk • contribs) 14:36, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Van Nistelrooy number
According to realmadridshop.com, van Nistelrooy will be given the #17 number in the 2009-10 season, unless he would be sell next season. Raymond Giggs 13:11, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, according to realmadrid.com (in Spanish, English & Japanese), Ruud has no number, but numbers 5, 8, 9 & 18 have been assigned to new players! Raul17 (talk) 16:42, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * realmadrid.com cannot be seen as reliable source despite it is an official cite. Please check the number of Wesley Sneijder. His number is the most exciting number I've ever seen! I cannot believe that outdated source. Raymond Giggs 17:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

raymond giggs if ur not a real madrid fan just shut up the official site in spanish is the most reliable and updated source —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yahavx (talk • contribs) 20:06, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

ruud van nistleoory
he dont have a number now 17 is dani parejo —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yahavx (talk • contribs) 11:39, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello
I have signed up for the Spain Futbol project and recently I edited Kla jan Huntellar and it was deleted. Can someone please be more firm as the editing process. I am not vanadalzing, I am trying to co-operate. Please please can someone be cooler and let contributions happen..... that guy Klas Jan H. will probably leave R. Madrid but he has not.. my sources which are straight from the horses mouth (AS.com) states that he is indeed training with Real madrid so...what gives what is it with the prejudist, I could not edit it but someone else edits it ok??

come on now.

a bit more fair...same thing happened in the Barcelona page with Ibrahimovic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuwikepedia (talk • contribs) 21:26, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Benzema Number
Should Benzema really be listed as number 19? The official Real Madrid squad list still has him without number. I am sure Benzema is waiting for Sneijder or Robben to leave before he officially makes his decision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.113.229.120 (talk) 22:55, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Manuel Redondo Sierra is not Fernando Redondo
in this article it is said that the Director General of the President's Office is Fernando Redondo Neri which is false. The real director is Manuel Redondo Sierra as is said in the spanish edition. http://www.europapress.es/deportes/futbol-00162/noticia-valdano-nombrado-director-general-real-madrid-20090601153814.html http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheader=application/pdf&blobheadername1=Content-disposition&blobheadervalue1=attachment;+filename=AcuerdosJuntaDirectiva010609.pdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1202886637651&ssbinary=true —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.47.192.178 (talk) 11:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Your sources seem to contradict each other, please review them and tell me which one's correct. GrooveDog (talk) 15:05, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

IN BOTH SOURCES IT IS WRITTEN "Nombramiento de Manuel Redondo Sierra como Director General de Presidencia." WHICH MEANS "APPOINMENT OF MANUEL REDONDO SIERRA AS DIRECTOR GENERAL OF THE PRESIDENT'S OFFICE" THE FIRST SOURCE TELLS IN THE HEADLINES THAT VALDANO HAS BEEN APPOINTTED DIRECTOR GENERAL OF THE CLUB NOT OF THE PRESIDENT'S OFFICE. FERNANDO REDONDO NERI LIVES IN ARGENTINA AND HAS VERY BAD RELATIONSHIP WITH CURRENT PRESIDENT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.47.192.178 (talk) 15:33, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed.  Fei noh a   Talk, My master 19:25, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Welcome and thanks for improving the accuracy of this article. I inserted the requested change despite your lack of civility in replying to GrooveDog. Misunderstandings like this are easier to handle if we all act like civilized, reasonable people. In the future, please remember that you are asking a fellow editor to make a change on your behalf and act accordingly. Celestra (talk) 19:37, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Squad number
friendly number means nothing. unless official announcement, please do not add number you predict. Matthew_hk  t  c  22:45, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of "predictions", who snuck in Antonio Adán into the roster? Can we fix this please? And can we just fully protect the whole article until the transfer window closes (August 31)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.22.53.218 (talk) 03:55, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

According to the Real Madrid squad list on their site Sneijder is no longer number 10 and is listed as number 23 again —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.113.229.120 (talk) 03:23, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * That’s an old error in the English version of the site, has been there since the start of the 2008–2009 season I think. The Spanish version has it right. Kooma (di algo) 12:50, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

why do people keep changing the kit numbers back to some made up BS numbers? as stated before, JUST BECAUSE XABI ALONSO IS WEARING 22 IN THE PRESEASON DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THATS HIS REGISTERED NUMBER. Yes, many of the players (such as V. Nistelrooy) will get the numbers "predicted," (like his 17 back), but at this point, according to the Spanish version of the squad list on the official RMCF website, he is DEREGISTERED, meaning he has no number for the time being. Tomorrow, I'm sure we will see many kit number confirmations, but at this point these players still have no numbers: -Arbeloa, Garray, M. Diarra, Xabi Alonso, Granero, Karim, and Ruud. Also, at this point De la Red IS A MEMBER OF THE SQUAD according to Real's official site.Splitfire1000 (talk) 17:02, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Who's the Man... ager?
This article still has Bernd Schuster as the most recent manager of Real Madrid. There is no information in the managers section about Schusters replacement Juande Ramos or the current manager Manuel Pellegrini. Why do they only mention mangers who have won trophies when it is kind of important to know who any of the managers are.

[] [] --Brian4ManUtd (talk) 07:03, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you bother to check the link (List of Real Madrid C.F. managers) mention on the Managers section. Regards--Bocafan76 (talk) 07:43, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

NPOV & Francoist denial
There's ample evidence that Real Madrid received direct support from the state during the francoist era (even FIFA supports the notion http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federation/news/newsid=70557.html) - this cannot be omitted due to considerations of how current madrid fans feels about it. Likewise you don't remove the defeat in WW2 from Japans history just to be respectful to the current japaneese.

Where is the justification for NOT including any of the francoist support? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.213.125.9 (talk) 12:23, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Your reference does not say that. Try to be more neutral 193.152.230.67 (talk) 17:04, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Sergio Canales
Should anything be added about Real Madrid and Sergio Canales? Sounds like Real Madrid have transfered him from Real Racing de Santander: http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/en/1202812356921/noticia/ComunicadoOficial/Official_announcement_2010-02-12.htm
 * Signed and loaned back to Racing until the end of the season. Raul17 (talk) 23:20, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't Sergio Canales be added to the current squad of Real Madrid or be put in a section of players who are loaned out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.225.47.91 (talk) 23:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Season to Season section
Many Spanish club pages have a season to season section that nicely summarizes their history. I think it would be nice if someone could add a season to season section for Real Madrid. If anyone has any confusion of what I'm talking about, please the Season to Season section for clubs such as Real Madrid Castilla, Real Madrid C, & Real Valladolid.Kenallen (talk) 19:39, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It would not help the article much. Maybe the last five or ten seasons, but anything more will clutter the page. If you goto List of Real Madrid C.F. seasons, I think you would find what you are looking for. Raul17 (talk) 02:55, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Archive
I'll set up this page for auto-archiving, lest anyone disagrees. Sandman888 (talk) 09:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Speedy close. Frivolous request, article not moved. Please do not disrupt Wikipedia to make a point. Oldelpaso (talk) 10:30, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

It happens that the english usage should be used on wikipedia, according to the rhetoric of certain people. Therefore this club should be called Royal, not Real. English usage. (LAz17 (talk) 03:52, 19 May 2010 (UTC)).


 * This nomination stems from this user's comment at Talk:Red Star Belgrade: . It should be closed as groundless in our naming conventions and per WP:POINT. Knepflerle (talk) 09:53, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Edit request from Britneyfangt, 27 May 2010
I noticed that the Managerial information in Real Madrid's page is incomplete. It's missing the managers from 2004-2006 and from 2008-2010. They were tumultuous times for Real Madrid, so the information can get jumbled up. Here's what should be added:

Between Carlos Queiroz and Bernd Schuster: José Antonio Camacho (Spain) July 2004 - September 2004.

Mariano García Remón (Spain) September 2004 - December 2004.

Vanderlei Luxemburgo (Brazil) December 2004 - December 2005.

Juan Ramón López Caro (Spain) December 2005 - June 2006.

And below Bernd Schuster: Juande Ramos (Spain) December 2008 - July 2009.

Manuel Pellegrini (Chile) July 2009 - July 2010.

I got the information from an article in As.com, it's a spanish sports newspaper. The information is correct and here is the link so you can verify it: http://www.as.com/futbol/articulo/mourinho-sera-segundo-portugues-entrene/dasftb/20100526dasdasftb_67/Tes

José Mourinho (Portugal) is going to be the 2010 manager when he ends his contract with Inter de Milan.

All the managers that are missing didn't win a single trophy so you don't need to add anything to the chart.

I hope that you can add this information since it's very important to have. Best of luck and see you later.

Britneyfangt (talk) 16:23, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


 * -- Yarnalgo  talk to me 22:08, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The list on this page does not include those managers on purpose (presumably because of their short tenures). The complete list of Real Madrid C.F. managers is at List of Real Madrid C.F. managers. -- Yarnalgo  talk to me 22:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Request edit: first "La Liga" reference should be wiki link
It would be nice if the first mention of La Liga were a reference to its wiki page. 69.181.107.184 (talk) 23:14, 3 July 2010 (UTC) Chris, 2010/07/03

Estadio Chamartín
In the "Stadium" section, there is an unsourced statement claiming that the first match at the Estadio Chamartín was against Newcastle United on 17 May 1923. However, as you can see from this list of friendly matches, it was in fact Nelson who they played on that day. This is indirectly backed up by my Nelson FC in the Football League book, but I thought I had better check before editing the article. Cheers, Big  Dom  14:41, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

First two-time winners of the League
I'm from Spain and there's a mistake in the part of the history. Although, Realmadrid.com said that, the first two-time league winners were Athletic Club of Bilbao (1929-1930 and 1930-1931 season). Real Madrid is the second two-time winners of the League. If anyone can edited this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.46.17.62 (talk) 10:26, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Jearcev, 16 July 2010
This event has already taken place. The Bernabéu has hosted the 1964 European Championship final, the 1982 FIFA World Cup final, the 1957, 1969 and 1980 European Cup inals and is due to host the 2010 Champions League Final

Jearcev (talk) 19:01, 16 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Favonian (talk) 11:00, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 122.107.217.143, 24 July 2010
Just a spelling mistake in the Brand section: In 2008, it was ranked the second most valuable club in football, with a value of €951 mil (£640 million / $1.285 billion),[74] only beaten by Manchester United, witch was valued at €1.333 billion (£900 million).[75] In 2010, Real Madrid had the highest turnover in football worldwide.[76]

Should be which, not witch.

122.107.217.143 (talk) 01:25, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Dabomb87 (talk) 04:22, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Squad number changes
I know it's not official, but in http://www.defensacentral.com/real_madrid/48192/futbol-dorsales-cristiano-raul-guti-xabi-alonso it says that Cristiano Ronaldo asked for the 7, Xabi for the 14 and the 9 may be for Higuaín. http://www.marca.com/multimedia/primeras/10/07/0723.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Demophobya (talk • contribs) 23:01, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks likely but we're best to wait for an announcement. --AlasdairShaw (talk) 10:32, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Sami Khedira to Real Madrid
It became officially that Sami Khedira singed with Real Madrid, but until now we didn't know any thing about the deal. The source(from VfB Stuttgart official site): http://www.vfb-stuttgart.de/en/aktuell/news/2010/37816.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by Virus boss (talk • contribs) 16:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Player's numbers
After Raul's departure, C.Ronaldo took the #7 jersey and Benzema will take the #9. http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/breves2010/20100802_232457_benzema-portera-le-n-9.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.204.17.206 (talk) 23:01, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Van der Vaart also said he wanted the #7 shirt and has mor seniority than the glamboy. Benzema might be in jail. Raul17 (talk) 01:04, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The squad numbers have been updated on the Real Madrid sqaud page for some time now - http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/es/1193040475259/Plantilla/1193040475259.htm
 * Ronaldo is indeed 7 and Benzema 9, with Granero moving to 11 and Khedira getting 24. The English bersion of the squad page however has not been updated, so this may be the cause of some confusion (although the club shop page has been updated). The Ronaldo, Benzema and Khedira Wikipedia articles have been updated to reflect the new numbers, so this page and the Granero page need to be updated too.
 * Wolsey01 (talk) 12:32, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Records
Real Madrid does not hold the record for most spanish supercups Barcelona does with nine so please change that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.113.25.136 (talk) 11:20, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Captains
After Casillas, Ramos and Diarra, is Marcelo the third vice-captain? Raul17 (talk) 15:08, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I logged into this page for this same reason. Marcelo should be the second vice-captain over M. Diarra. He has worn the armband three times now. There should be news articles on the club's official website that refer to him as a vice captain. Gdtdg (talk) 20:20, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Here's something about the official photoshoot which was done yesterday. In the story it's said that a photo with the president and the captains was taken, then in the video at 1:47 we see Pérez with Casillas, Ramos, Diarra and Marcelo standing in front of the backdrop. This might count as original research though (it doesn't actually say that the four of them are the captains), so consider this a heads-up if nothing else. –Kooma (talk) 08:59, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
can someone protect the page because there has been alot of edits and its really getting annoying when people do it to bother others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FGaribay (talk • contribs) 06:19, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Who unprotected the page? Doing that to the page of any major football club is crazy. I'll see what I can do. Gdtdg (talk) 22:19, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Semi-protected request has been submitted. Link: [] Gdtdg (talk) 22:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Semi-Protected request has been submitted... again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gdtdg (talk • contribs) 05:47, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Rivalries
I think we should merge support and rivalries sections. Like FC Barcelona (which is a featured article) did.  Hadrianos1990   talk 07:46, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

'Good article'? With silly typos?
'Founded in 1902, Real Madrid never relegated from La Liga,'

Fix for grammar please. --89.211.216.27 (talk) 19:30, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Move to Real Madrid CF
Hi, as all articles of football clubs has their default names without the periods (full stops) in the initials of the words less representative of the full name, I think the article should move to Real Madrid CF, so Real Madrid C.F.'s article name is the sole exception of all clubs in terms of nomenclature I've seen so far. I think the change should be done very carefully because I'm sure that must be a lot of articles that refer to Real Madrid C.F. (current name). It's for this reason that I propose to make a bot for that when someone agrees to change the name, the bot will change the link in all articles which refer to this article. --Raul-Reus (talk) 23:02, 10 December 2010 (UTC) - 00:02, 11 December 2010 (CET)

Harvard University study about Real Madrid's followers
"A study at Harvard University concluded that Real Madrid "is one of the 20 most important brand names and the only one in which its executives, the players, are well-known. We have some spectacular figures in regard to worldwide support of the club. There are an estimated 287 million people worldwide who follow Real Madrid."

This part of the text has as reference an article that refers to the study but, besides some other references to the study, I could not find any traces of that study. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.175.21.121 (talk) 21:21, 23 December 2010‎

Shirt numbers of Emmanuel Adebayor, Lassana Diarra and Mesut Özil
The shirt numbers of Emmanuel Adebayor, Lassana Diarra and Mesut Özil are wrong. Emmanuel Adebayor is shirt number 6, Lassana Diarra is shirt number 10 and Mesut Özil is shirt number 23. This is confirmed at http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/en/First_Team/1193041476158/Plantilla/Squad.htm and http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/en/1330038734691/noticia/Convocatoria/Adebayor_makes_first_squad_list.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.24.179.159 (talk) 21:28, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Your second reference makes no mention on numbers. Sorry. The roster does, but appears to agree with what's present:
 * Adebayor - not listed in roster. No number mentioned in other article.
 * Diarra - 6
 * Özil - 23
 * What's the issue? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:03, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * The article seems to be up to speed now, but the issue was that people have been switching around the numbers of Lass Diarra, Özil and Adebayor. Actually, Lass (10) and Özil (23) keep their old numbers and Adebayor takes the 6 which was left vacant by M. Diarra who moved to Monaco. For Adebayor's number, see the photos in the latter link. –Kooma (talk) 23:22, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * It is not legal for Lass or Özil to change their numbers once the summer windows closes; only for those players that began on the reserve teams (26 and up). Raul17 (talk) 00:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Protection Level
Can someone please change the level of protection becuase too many people are messing around with the page and its beggining to be very trouble some to revert they're edits. Thank you.

"Los Vikingos (The Vikings)" Thats not true. Real Madrid Ultras use that nick name to call themselves. The only nick name Real Madrid has is Los merengues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.158.45.149 (talk) 09:43, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

the current squad
15 Drenthe, there are two Hamit Altıntop's, change one to sahin varane, coentrao, hamit, callejon and sahin have no number as of yet — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eoinfish (talk • contribs) 23:53, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Team name choice
There's not a single bit of info. here towards the origin of the team name. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 15:54, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Apart from the paragraph in 'Early years' explaining where the name came from? And all the previous names? Nanonic (talk) 18:35, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Pedro Leon...as of August 11 2011 Pedro Leon is still with Real Madrid...
He should not be listed as "ON LOAN TO GETAFE"

Just because rumors are out there and Marca and AS say something doesn't make it official. Please remove.

Thepoet10 (talk) 16:17, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Copa Eva Duarte, Copa de la Liga and Inter-Cities Fairs Cup
For clarification, and to homogenize the criteria surrounding the number of domestic, international and overall titles of Spanish clubs, and in particular of Real Madrid and F.C. Barcelona, I would like to point out the following:

1) The Copa Eva Duarte WAS a official competition, as it was organized by the Royal Spanish Football Federation, a member of UEFA (see the Cup's page for references), preceding the current Spanish Super Cup (see the Cup's page for references)

2) The Copa de la Liga WAS also a official competition, as it was also organized, even if briefly, by the Royal Spanish Football Federation, again, a member of UEFA, as an alternative to the more established Copa del Rey (see the Cup's page for references)

3) The Inter-Cities Fairs Cup WAS NOT a official competition, even if it preceded the UEFA Cup and Europa League tournaments, as it was not organized by UEFA, but by private individuals and organizations to promote trade fairs in Europe (see the Cup's page for references)

The above-mentioned are the correct, objective criteria for official tournaments, and they were used (by someone else uknown to me) to update the Football records in Spain wikipedia page. I have used them myself to update both the Real Madrid and F.C. Barcelona pages, also including recently awarded trophies.

Also, even if I have used it as reference, since it does claim something which is correct (the overall current equality in domestic and international titles of F.C. Barcelona and Real Madrid), note that Diario Marca's article at http://www.marca.com/2011/08/17/futbol/equipos/barcelona/1313608792.html is nonetheless incorrect in their reasoning to reach that conclusion, since they consider the Inter-Cities Fair Cup as official, and the Copa Eva Duarte as unofficial, therefore mistaking the number of domestic and international titles for each club, even if the aggregate is correct.

MarkamBey (talk) 10:43, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

My apologies, I didn't check the validity of the overall trophies table before updating the article, and F.C. Barcelona has 3, not 4 Eva Duarte Cups (the fourth was won when the competition had another name and was still not recognized by the RFEF). Also, the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup is not an official competition as it is not recognized by UEFA, and therefore yes, Real Madrid is still the most successful team in Spain in terms of overall titles. This has now been corrected.

MarkamBey (talk) 13:33, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 26xbing, 6 September 2011
26xbing (talk) 04:20, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done --Jnorton7558 (talk) 11:52, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

European Cup/Champions League
Please note that these are two names for the same competition/title - see here. As such, it should be stated that Real Madrid have won a record 9 titles, rather than causing ambiguity by splitting into 6 European Cups and 3 Champions Leagues. In English football we acknowledge that Manchester United hold the record for league titles, even though some were for winning Football League Division One and some for the Premier League. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 09:45, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Protection
Can someone please protect this page, its very annoying that people keep vadalizing it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.174.25 (talk) 02:31, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Who is vandalizing it? Complete protection is only used in extreme cases and this article is not even close to extreme. Even if it's ten times a week, it's caught fairly quickly and it's certainly not a problem. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:14, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

The source of Real Madrid's "9" UEFA Champions Leagues
Walter, thanks for directing me to that link that, in your opinion, validates your view that RM has conquered 9 Champions Leagues. I will first apologize because I do see that you were not lying! I'm amazed that UEFA, by some joke, decided to write that in an obscure page in between lines ... I will add that I have never seen an official ranking that gives RM 9 titles. UEFA does not publish it clear and loud, because they know it would be VERY controversial. And you know it too. If that page says that, then that page is wrong too. Whoever wrote that page does not have the authority to re-write soccer history and re-name a cup. So I'll go back to the essence of my point, which is that only RM fans believe (or wish) that RM has won 9 Champions Leagues. EVERYONE ELSE (I'm not shouting, only emphasizing) in the soccer world knows that it's simply a 6+3 -- which is impressive enough (the record-holder too!). Why insisting on fabricating a truth that is not exactly what it seems? UEFA can now change the name of a past competition, but that won't change those 6 cups. Sorry if the truth disappoints you, but there is no point in re-writing history, it's already written. (I'm thinking that your insistence in masquerading reality should be of interest to some journalists friend of mine ... I might even make you famous! Unless you care about the ridicule ...) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soniafaram (talk • contribs) 07:12, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I simply pointed-out the source given in the article: http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/history/index.html . I'll allow others to comment. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:22, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Like the article quoted by Walter Görlitz shows, RM have won the European Cup 9 times. The competition was originally called the European Cup, before being rebranded as the Champions (sic) League. As I allude to higher up this same page, Liverpool FC have won the Football League 18 times and Manchester United have 7 Football League championships plus 12 Premier League titles. We still say that Man Utd hold the record number of English league titles, and in such a way Real Madrid have won a record 9 European Cups. As the article states "Madrid are also the most successful side overall with nine triumphs..." Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 16:30, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It's pretty widely recognised that Madrid have won 9 'Champions League/European Cup', or whatever, just as Spain have won 2 European Championships and not 1 Euro Nations Cup + 1 European Championship, as well as the English examples above. Pretty Green (talk) 09:59, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Can I use information from this article?
http://hala-madrid.livejournal.com/301276.html This guy seems to have alot of facts of Real Madrid? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RealCowboys (talk • contribs) 21:36, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a blog or at the very least a self-published source and as such does not meet WP:RS. Can you show that he's a recognized expert apart from the site? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:02, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Supporters of Real Madrid C.F.
Supporters of Real Madrid C.F. was recently created. It looks very much like a machine translation. If someone could please either clean it up (I'm not a Spanish speaker) or merge it in to this article, it would be helpful. Longwayround (talk) 11:25, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks like an admin has redirected it back here which, considering the poor state of that article, makes sense. Longwayround (talk) 16:26, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

cool RealCowboys (talk) 17:26, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Featured article
Does anybody else feel like Real Madrid C.F. should be upgraded to a "Featured article" and not stay "Good article"?RealCowboys (talk) 22:09, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Go for it. It's essential, first of all, to make sure that the article continues to satisfy the good article criteria. At the moment, I'm not convinced. Longwayround (talk) 14:36, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Protection Level
Can someone please change the protection level so only confirmed users can edit it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RealCowboys (talk • contribs) 18:30, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No. There's no need. Some anonymous edits are unproductive, but not all. It would go completely against the spirit of Wikipedia. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:51, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Lack of references
Could someone provide references for statements written in this piece of text?

"On 14 April 1931, the arrival of the Second Spanish Republic caused the club to lose the title Real and went back to being named as Madrid Football Club. Football continued during the Second World War, and on 13 June 1943 Madrid thrashed Barcelona 11–1 in the Copa del Generalísimo.[citation needed] The heavy defeat resulted in Barcelona supporters claiming that General Francisco Franco's régime had some part in fixing the result, though no proof ever came to light.[citation needed]"

It is well known that the 11-1 match was surrounded by a lot of controversy, the Spanish and Catalan Wikipedia both provides references for such a claim. Therefore the statement made by RealCowboys must be regarded as biased until proven otherwise. In general he lacks references in much of his edits. --Suitcivil133 (talk) 22:48, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * you simply have to put  next to what you want referenced and leave it. Find neutral references and you're done. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:16, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

"regarded as biased until proven otherwise. In general he lacks references in much of his edits" You better watch of what your saying kid, you think just cause Barcelona is doing good right now doesnt mean there cant be any negative, any real barca fan would know that there was no proof that Franco threatend anybody. Any person with a gram of intelligence and the will to inform themselves can come to the conclusion that Real Madrid had as little of franquista as Barcelona did. If you have grown with the idea that Real Madrid is the personification of fascism and Barcelona the flag of liberty, it is difficult to change this idea. It's uncomfortable to change an idea. Much better to ignore the arguments -the facts-, shield behind legends with no support and repeat time and time again the same lies that some day end up becoming the truth. I declare that Real Madrid is a team mistreated by the media. It is difficult to find a positive note about the club in the open Spanish TV stations. If they lose, because they lost; and if they win, the debate centers on criticizing the player who did worse, the coach, or all of them. Its pointless to argue with someone like Suitcivil133, pure arrogance, cant even accept the fact that Franco financed the Camp Nou or that Cule translated in ENGLISH means ass. RealCowboys (talk) 06:16, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

First of all learn some basic English. From your profile it appears that your mother tongue is English. That certainly does not look like being the case. For instance English is my 3 language after French and Spanish.

You are biased so no need to hide it. Most of your edits, if not all of them are without any references. Just pure claims. And you have been proven wrong by several people now, who unlike you, have been capable of using references. Just like in this case now where there are clear references in the text I labelled correctly as biased.

You better take a look at the Spanish and Catalan Wikipedia pages. They confirm that RM were favouried during Franco's regime for obvious reasons. For example a Barcelona president, Sunyol, was killed during the Civil War. Barcelona as a city were always the most liberal city in Spain and the city that was influenced by the rest of Europe the most. It has also always been the most afluent city in Spain since the days of the Kingdom of Aragon. Even to this day Catalonia is the richest province. Also it is clear for all that a strong FC Barcelona threatened Franco's policy of a united Spain because of the independence movement in Catalonia that was expressed by FC Barcelona as a institution, among others.

Mistreated by the media? You are well aware of all the favours RM has had during it's history? Even recently when they were close to a bankrupcy until the council of Madrid bought RM assets for an overprice. They were even investigated for it later by UEFA but of course they were unable to prove it as it was in the interest of Spain and UEFA that RM would survive as a club in La Liga and in European competitions. Spain even changed a law, the so-called Beckham law that made it more favourable for Real Madrid to buy their Galácticos, a project that can be considered a fiasco in the sporting perspective looking at the amount of money that was thrown into it.

But well your initial and absurd claim that the 11-1 was not surrounded by controversy is astonishing barring in mind that Barca won the first game 3-1.

But since I can see that there is a user who have already provided REFERENCES about the controversy during that match the discussion is closed. It can certainly be concluded that your biased conclusion (of everything going according to the "plan") was wrong as also reported by the Spanish and Catalan Wikipedia pages.--Suitcivil133 (talk) 16:13, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I've found a reference in Understanding Football Hooliganism by Ramn Spaaij (Amsterdam, 2006). Please remember, folks, there is a need for consensus before any significant changes are made and it does appear that at least one editor on this article may be at risk of breaking the WP:3RR rule. Longwayround (talk) 14:31, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * First, the name-calling by RealCowboys is not appropriate.
 * WP:BOLD says that any editor can make a change, no matter how severe. WP:BRD says that if an editor reverts, a discussion cycle should be started. Finally WP:RS says that sources are required, particularly for controversial statements. It's good to get important information into the article but make sure it's referenced. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:44, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm guessing that many editors on the English-language Wikipedia are not competent users of Spanish or Catalan. If an editor is able to summarise in English the relevant parts of the Spanish and Catalan Wikipedia pages for the benefit of those of us who are in that situation then I, for one, would be appreciative. Longwayround (talk) 16:16, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to write this one more time and make it clear, do not comment on other editors, whether it's about their intelligence or their English writing abilities. It is not appropriate. It must stop. Please see WP:PERSONAL particularly WP:NPA. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:25, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

RealCowboys:

I just took a quick look at your recent edits on this page, the Barcelona page and the Camp Nou page. What is common in all your edits are the lack of references which I have already mentioned. What is more worrying in terms of objectivity is that you somehow have a history of deleting correct information. For example the controversy that sourrounded Franco in the stadium section in the FC Barcelona page. A whole section compromised by 10 lines was deleted by you for no apparent reason despite having references. The same was the case in the Camp Nou page. Luckily both your edits were deleted again. It seems to me that you want to give an better picture of Franco and his relationship with FC Barcelona but you have problems with finding any reliable references if any. Wonder why that is.....

Moreoever (mind you I only took a quick glance on your recent edits on this page) you removed the information about Real Madrdi being founded by two Catalan brothers for no apparent reason yet again. Something that was included in the introduction page of the club until you deleted it.

"Fundado el 6 de marzo de 1902 por dos hermanos catalanes Joan Padrós Rubió y Carles Padrós Rubió bajo el nombre de Madrid Football Club, participa en la Primera División de España de la Liga Nacional de Fútbol Profesional desde su fundación en 1929, siendo uno de los tres únicos equipos que jamás ha descendido de la máxima categoría. Formó parte, en calidad de miembro fundador, de la Asociación de Clubes Europeos (otrora G-14), una organización internacional que agrupaba a los clubes más importantes e influyentes de Europa.[6]"

This is from the Spanish Wikipedia page.

The text CLEARLY states that Real Madrid (at the time of it's founding it was called Madrid Football Club" was founded by two Catalan brothers.

I could probably find more examples.

Regarding your claim of culés meaning ass in Spanish.

Culés comes from the Catalan verb Culers. This nickname (not of the club as you claimed but of the supporters) is indeed a slang of arse in Catalan but I have never claimed that it is not the case. That said I could not care less because Barcelona has several nicknames, which I have included in the English Wikipedia page. Something you again, for no apparent reason, tried to delete (among other's common nicknames such as Barca, Blaugrana and the nickname of the supporters (Barcelonistas).

A bit objectivity from your side would not harm. And before you reply, no I am not made any claims without any references on Wikipedia before so you might as well not included that claim in your reply.--Suitcivil133 (talk) 16:36, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Im really not gonna argue with some stupid kid, he is presistant on calling me "biased" ? LMAO kid you need to get laid bud. " The text CLEARLY states that Real Madrid (at the time of it's founding it was called Madrid Football Club" was founded by two Catalan brothers." you only look up stuff on wiki, ever thought about going to the actuall website and research their history? dumbass. I like how your all tough behind a computer, if you ever came at me like that in real life i'd whoop your ass. Im done this kid is obviously some glory hunter and just wants to sound smart by using the dictionary hahahahahahaha.RealCowboys (talk) 18:53, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

The truth hurts ah? Calm down little kid. Are you even able to imagine that Wikipedia is largely based on references? A word you probably have never heard about, since you have not used any in much of your edits. I already found you out a long time ago and I will control what you write. I have already helped to delete some of your nonsense that was untrue. Finally it is funny that you act tough on the Internet while you criticise me for the same when I was not the one who started the name calling. Well done. Now go back and concentrate on MLS football for the future.--Suitcivil133 (talk) 21:48, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

The only true thing is that after that famous 11-1 in the semifinals, Real Madrid lost in the final to... Athletic Club de Bilbao! FC Barcelona has rewritten history as a series of events always unfair to them, but this is not true, and leads to contradictions. For example, some of this propaganda claims that Real Madrid won 5 European Cups in a row thanks to Franco (when the isolation of the regime was just starting to finish), but ignore on purpose the famous 1961/62 European Cup eighthfinals, when Barcelona eliminated Real Madrid with very controversial (not to say clearly unfair) referee decisions in both legs! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maki87 (talk • contribs) 00:22, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Links written by a journalist
I saw the following in a revert to one of my recent edits: "your providing links that are written by a journalist, unless either Clubs deny or advocate the issue, this should not be changed."

In what way are the links in this diff not from reliable sources? Longwayround (talk) 20:05, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Because I see that its written by someone who is in favor of Barcelona? Of course he is going to say whatever nonsense that happened, if I wrote something like Barcelona bombed the stadium, is it true? No. Use your brain, as of today there is no DEFINITE proof that any of that happend. RealCowboys (talk) 21:45, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia's core sourcing policy, Wikipedia:Verifiability, defines the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia as "verifiability, not truth." "Verifiability" is used in this context to mean that material added to Wikipedia must have been published previously by a reliable source. Editors may not add their own views to articles simply because they believe them to be correct, and may not remove sources' views from articles simply because they disagree with them.


 * We don't look for definite proof, if that were the case then this article among many others would be very different. Besides, you refer to 'he' yet I cited two sources, only one of those was from a journalist. You are entirely welcome to challenge any statement with which you disagree. The best way to do this is to find another reliable source which states an opposing opinion and to include this in the article. In this way, the encyclopaedia retains its neutral point of view, representing fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources. I would be glad to see any reliably-sourced opposing view being included in this or any other article. I'm really not sure that the team I support is a rival!


 * If you wrote something like Barcelona bombed the stadium then, no, it would not be included in the encyclopaedia. You are not a reliable source. If your statement was published and represented as fact in, for example, The Washington Post or The Times, then it would be worthy of inclusion since they have a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. The same can be said of books published by a university press. Longwayround (talk) 08:42, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Real Madrids first kit
So at im reading that Real Madrid's first kit was blue with a white shash or white with a blue sash but in fact that was for either "Football Club Sky" or one of the two teams that split from FC Sky in 1900, "New Foot-Ball de Madrid" or "Club Español de Madrid" im not sure which, when Real Madrid was actually founded as "Madrid Football Club" in 1902 they changed the kit changed to an all white jersey with white shorts and black socks, so technically Real Madrid have always had a white jersey since it's foundation. Please correct me if im wrong. Here are the links that helped me.

http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/en/1193041516534/Historia/Club.htm

http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/en/1202774158942/noticia/Noticia/1202774158942.htm?idEsp=1202774253642 — Preceding unsigned comment added by RealCowboys (talk • contribs) 21:05, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Going by your first link, under 1900-1910, the second picture apparently shows the team in its first kit. Bobby (talk) 00:05, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Crest and shirt
(moved from lower done the page for clarity) Longwayround (talk) 09:53, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

"Real Madrid's traditional home colours are all white, although before its foundation the first kit initially adopted a blue oblique stripe on the shirt (the design was kept in the club crest); but unlike today, dark blue socks were worn. In the same year, the blue socks were replaced by black ones."

This sentence does not read well. How could Real Madrid have a kit before its foundation? Neither of the two references, one of which is archived at the Wayback Machine, make things any clearer for me. Longwayround (talk) 14:26, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Following myself up, this page which is referenced elsewhere in the article, may be helpful. It does not, however, look like an especially reliable source but, not being a Spanish speaker, I can't judge that effectively. Longwayround (talk) 14:44, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Scroll up, you'll find your answer. RealCowboys (talk) 18:50, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I've scrolled up but, sorry, I didn't find the answer. Would you please let me know where on this page to find it? Longwayround (talk) 20:03, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Real Madrids first kit RealCowboys (talk) 21:42, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * What Longwayround is asking, is how can we tell whether this is a reliable source or not? It looks like it isn't to me. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 08:24, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Am I to assume that the phrase "before its foundation" refers to Football Club Sky? I think this needs to made clearer. Longwayround (talk) 09:53, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Before its foundation, like before 1902. Yes Real Madrid have had kits before but they werent "Real Madrid" just yet, untill they were actually "founded" they changed to white shirts. So thats what im trying to expain that Real Madrid have always had white shirts since its foundation not before. RealCowboys (talk) 07:44, 21 December 2011 (UTC)


 * OK. I do think that sentence needs rewriting. Four clauses in one sentence is generally too many! How about:

"Real Madrid's traditional home colours are all white. The blue oblique stripe of FC Sky's shirt was incorporated into Real Madrid's crest. The new club replaced FC Sky's dark blue socks with black ones." Longwayround (talk) 08:46, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * With a reference of ... ? Please don't say look above because none of the references so far have been reliable (a blog and a fan site). --Walter Görlitz (talk) 09:16, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Did not see the history link above. Carry on. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 09:18, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm looking at the history link but don't see the reference to FC Sky's stripe or FC Sky's socks. Longwayround (talk) 09:21, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed, the blue oblique stripe was clearly not incorporated until 1931 (when it was purple). Longwayround (talk) 09:28, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

I dont think there is a reference but I just claimed what I seen on the pictures, the first link if you click on the 1900-10 button you see that Football Club sky was using dark uniforms and the white with the stripe on it but on the second link you see on the picture that Real Madrid's first uniform was an all white shirt. Im assuming that when FC Sky split up (remember there were two teams that FC Sky slit into) one of the teams, dont know which, in 1902 was founded as "Madrid football club" THATS when Real Madrid started using an all white uniform, the reason when I changed it was because it said that Real's first kit was the white the the blue stripe on it but in fact that was FC Sky's or the one of the two latter teams. As for rewording it, thats fine, whatever makes it easier for other readers to understand. RealCowboys (talk) 19:16, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You've seen colour in black-and-white pictures? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:39, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't be a smart ass RealCowboys (talk) 20:14, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * We're trying to write an encyclopaedia here. Being smart is what we're about. One day I'll understand why some people dislike that concept. Longwayround (talk) 20:34, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I wasn't being ironic or sarcastic, I'm very interested in how the colour was found in B&W images. Was there accompanying prose, even a caption, or was it from a different description that was placed in the image.
 * While we're at the education of editors, I'll suggest that anyone with a question about the motive of any other editor should read assume good faith before commenting. Failure to assume good faith could result in disciplinary action. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:07, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

what? RealCowboys (talk) 21:25, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Explain how the colours were determined.
 * Read and understand assume good faith. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:48, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Walter, when did I point out any colors besides white? I said they were using "dark uniforms" "DARK". I never said blue I never said black. Read carefully what I typed. "Explain how the colours were determined.", explain what? White looks the same in Black and White, a monkey could notice that. RealCowboys (talk) 04:53, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

and I like how you and longbottom over there snitched me out to get blocked from editing. thats a douchebag thing to do, ill watch your reverts just as you watched mine. RealCowboys (talk) 05:30, 22 December 2011 (UTC)


 * With respect, I warned you at 14:02, 19 December 2011 (UTC) that you should seek consensus before reverting edits as you appeared to be engaged in an edit war. You made two further reverts after that time. Please do moderate your language and please do watch reverts and other edits. I find it quite easy to lose track of reverts, particularly when I am convinced that I am right. I find that an early warning that I may be about to break WP:3RR helpful. Longwayround (talk) 09:12, 22 December 2011 (UTC)


 * RealCowboys pointed-out colours here: "it said that Real's first kit was the white the the blue stripe on it". The problem is that "it" (as in "it said") is not clearly defined.
 * As for accusations about "snitching", my first responsibility is to Wikipedia and not to any specific editor. When any editor comes into an article and starts throwing around slurs, insinuations, and causes problems, I sit up straight in my chair and pay close attention. If you want to keep drawing a target on your back, go ahead. I don't pull the trigger either, I just let admins make the call. I explained an element of WP:3RR to you at 21:45, 19 December 2011 (UTC). I don't have my sights set on you though. I was reported just before you were and after explaining my position I defended you. However, you walked over the bright line well after being reported. I didn't push you. I didn't urge you. I just sat back and watched you drive headlong into it, knowing that you were warned. Don't blame me for your actions.
 * And for the record, I've been blocked twice myself.
 * One final thing: stop insulting other editors. There's no cause for it, ever. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:22, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

COOL ANYTHING ELSE :D, are you gonna report me for being sarcastic as well? RealCowboys (talk) 04:54, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No. Just for being uncivil. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:09, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * (ONLY IF YOU REPORTED ME), then you can kiss my ass you fucken bitch. RealCowboys (talk) 05:16, 29 December 2011 (UTC)