Talk:Real Madrid CF/Archive 4

Pirlo????
Someone has added Pirlo to their squad when he's with juventus.... Plus, adan hasn't been releases yet so he still wears the number 25 jersey.... And there's no source for jese wearing 11 because it's currently reserved after Ricardo carvalho left.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.144.120 (talk) 06:37, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 July 2013
Please delete "Andrea Pirlo" from the first-team squad because he is not in Real Madrid C.F. As you can see, he is not listed here either: http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/en/1193041476158/Plantilla/1193041476158.htm Moreover, Andrea Pirlo plays for the Italian team, Juventus F.C.

180.234.33.45 (talk) 07:15, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ It's done earlier. Anyway thanks.-- Pr at yya  (Hello!) 13:44, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 August 2013
Under Worldwide Competitions include the latest achievement as stated below in bold letters: '''Guinness International Championship Cup: Winners: 2013-2014''' First Tournament Win

Chronolink2k1 (talk) 19:38, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Not done: That appears to be an exhibition tournament. Can you discuss with the other editors of this article whether/where to include this? Thanks, Celestra (talk) 20:43, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree that it's not a major tournament, which is why I didn't even bother to respond to the edit request. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:53, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 August 2013
Edit statistics and records to put Gareth Bale's transfer fee as the highest on record — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.153.21.116 (talk) 21:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * If the fee is €91M, it wouldn't be a record. There exists widespread discrepancies across sources regarding the fee. Bobby (talk) 21:17, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * True but I would agree more with the other sources claiming it is the biggest ever. Real Madrid has a history trying to say it is lower then it was (like with Coentrao) and will not say it was bigger than Roaldo to upset him trying to sign a new contract. It seems to me like it is a record. QED 237   (talk)  21:20, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Real Madrid made no comment regarding the fee, but the Spanish media unanimously agree the fee to be €91M (see Bale's talk page). Coentrao's fee was confirmed by Benfica to be €30M to the Portuguese stock exchange. I don't recall Real Madrid underreporting that fee either. You're free to believe whichever source you wish, but personal preferences over sources shouldn't assume encyclopedic accuracy. Bobby (talk) 21:27, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Mourinho
The text about the Mourinho era says nothing about the international results. At least, the were in the semi-finals of the champions league under him for the first time since years.79.219.156.60 (talk) 21:18, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request on August 10 2013
After the sale of Mesut Ozil, I believe he's the club's highest sale.... I may be wrong and I don't have sources, but if someone would be willing to check, that would be great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.113.101.238 (talk) 21:45, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

❌ See the discussion above. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:52, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Özil's sale for €45–50M depending on sources makes him Real Madrid's most expensive sale, exceeding Robinho's transfer to Manchester City for €42.5M in 2008. Bobby (talk) 20:26, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * But there are sources that state it was €30M. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:29, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I have only heard 45–50M. Do you have any WP:RS claiming only 30M? QED 237   (talk)  20:34, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Misreading of the information above. However, a RS indicating that it was the highest would be better than relying on WP:CALC. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:40, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Marca. Bobby (talk) 20:43, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Marca is not a very reliable source, many in football dont believe them. But tranfermarkt is used on many places. QED 237   (talk)  20:49, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Marca reports on transfer speculations need to be taken with a grain of salt. In April they correctly speculated Real Madrid would purchase a CM as a long-term Xabi Alonso replacement and shortlisted Gündoğan, Pardo, Kondogbia, Verratti, Javi García, and Fernando. Then Real Madrid splashed €39M on Illarramendi.  But when they actually report on occurred events related to Real Madrid as opposed to speculation or gossip, it is probably the fastest and most accurate source available and is also the most widely circulated newspaper in Spain. Simply put, Marca knows more about Real Madrid than anybody else not directly related to the club. Its status as a 75-year old news publication qualifies it as a better WP:RS than transfermarkt. Also, Marca hosts the official NBA site in Spain, perhaps due to its positive reputation in Spain. Bobby (talk) 04:01, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I dont live in spain so I dont know much about them, but everytime someone mentions marca people stop listening. They are not having a good reputation in the rest of Europe. QED 237   (talk)  10:07, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Real Madrid logos
Hi, just to tell you that all the logos that are part of the image gallery (except the last and current logo) are FREE and hosted on Commons. Please, before reverting an edition, verify what sort of images are included. I turned back to my previous edit so the gallery does not infringe any WP policy. Thanks. - Fma12 (talk) 17:05, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I was wrong. Some of the images claim that they are not under copyright. I will honour that and take-up their deletion from commons as they don't meet English Wikipedia guidelines. However the one image that is still under copyright cannot be used even under fair use gudielines. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:18, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2014
Abinash Pandey (talk) 10:13, 16 February 2014 (UTC) Realmadrid is one of the europen latest football club.which has famous of the world.latest player are play in this club.cristiano ronalodo is one of the latest styker in the world so he wasb also played in realmadrid club.


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. I don't even understand what you're trying to say, let alone be able to figure out an edit request out of it. -- El Hef  ( Meep? ) 16:00, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Not to turn this into a forum, I think Abinash Pandey has substituted "latest" for "greatest". Despite that, I agree that no change was requested. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:21, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2014
The value of the club in the third paragraph (3.3 billion) should be in dollars, not euros. The value was taken from the cited Forbes list, which is in dollars.

Hephador (talk) 14:07, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 14:48, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Reverted. It should be in US dollars because Forbes reported it in dollars. Euro would be an approximation and should be in parenthesis. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:41, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Re-done per all of the reasons noted in the edit summary... This is a Spain specific article, so all currencies should be the currency of Spain. Hence, this should be in Euros, but since the source cites US$, that should be added in parenthesis as a note. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 16:09, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * What idiots we both were. That was the Deloitte report not the Forbes report and it was in Euro. My mistake. Then Technical 13 tagged my talk page indicating that I made an edit test. That was rude. See Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:15, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * There are two Forbes links there, and one does say $3.3 billion, so that part is correct. The notice I left on your talk page was not an "edit test" is was a "please follow MOS" template and please see Wikipedia:Template the regulars and keep in mind that those are both just essays. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 20:19, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Current capacity
According to the official website, 81,044 spectators. Source: http://www.realmadrid.com/en/santiago-bernabeu-stadium--62.37.85.64 (talk) 14:57, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

International Champions Cup
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.194.13.138 (talk) 19:20, 22 March 2014‎

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2014
In the "Galacticos" section, the second paragraph repeats in essence the last two sentences of the first paragraph.

CuervoWins (talk) 02:02, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Agreed, it was redundant. I've removed that information from the first paragraph. Thanks! -- El Hef  ( Meep? ) 02:11, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2014
Can you please add the fact that it is currently ranked as the top club by the UEFA coefficients and also by the IFFHS? The source is: http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/

The articles on FC Barcelona boasts about the trophies and is filled with arrogance while this articles misses out on many of the achievements in the main (introduction) bit. Can you editors of this page not add the vital statistics (trophies, wins, general superiority) like the Barcelona article features? Why can this article not boast in the introduction section that Madrid was bestowed the title of the best club of the 20th century, while FC Barcelona has a line saying that they were once ranked as the top club in IFFHS in 2009? This is absurd. Madrid were ranked top several times too? This is clear bias. Or maybe the page editors are FC Barcelona fans? I thought Wikipedia was objective but it seems now.

Thank you

159.92.9.7 (talk) 19:44, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Please give a concrete addition not vague suggestions. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:53, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2014
The editors of this page are a disgrace to Real Madrid Football Club. These editors are nerds who know nothing about football. Look at the Barcelona page. And compare it to this? There are so many important things missing in the introduction, such as how its was bestowed the honour of the best club of the 20th Century and is currently the top club in UEFA rankings?

Makes me think this is a page edited by Barcelona fans.

I have reported this page to the Real Madrid press office for official editing, seeing as how the editors on this page are incompetent useless loser nerds.

91.125.210.42 (talk) 05:18, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I hope they try to edit it. We'll be able to slap a WP:COI template on their talk page.
 * Please provide the problems you've found and corrections with references. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:32, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Real Madrid is not commonly known as Real in Spanish-speaking countries. I agree that think this article needs improvement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Migueldvb (talk • contribs) 23:13, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Someone should tell that to the editors of es:Real Madrid Club de Fútbol where it currently reads, "El Real Madrid Club de Fútbol, mejor conocido como Real Madrid, es una entidad polideportiva con sede en Madrid, España." However, what it's called in Spanish-speaking countries, or even Castilian-speaking countries, is immaterial to the English Wikipedia project. Their common name here is Real Madrid. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:36, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2014
EronAlva10 (talk) 15:48, 11 July 2014 (UTC) Kroos is a Madrid Player. He should be the in the squad. His shirt no. is 8.


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 16:12, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Jesus Fernandez no longer with Real Madrid
Real Madrid C. F. and Levante U. D. have reached an agreement for the transfer of Jesús Fernández. The club would like to express its gratitude for all his years of dedication and professionalism, and wish him luck in this new stage of his career.http://www.realmadrid.com/en/news/2014/08/official-statement-jesus-fernandez


 * Great, It would have been a lot easier and faster if you provided the link/info in the edit summary. QED237&#160;(talk)</b></i> 21:12, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2014
197.121.69.131 (talk) 14:22, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * X mark.svg Not done This is not a edit request. Please say what you want to be done in a please change X to Y because ...-form or please insert X between Y and Z because... and add source to support the edit. Thank you. <i style="font-family:Verdana"><b style="color:blue">QED</b><b style="color:red">237</b>&#160;<b style="color:green">(talk)</b></i> 18:12, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 November 2014
Pinoisgone (talk) 07:48, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Your request is blank. Stickee (talk) 09:17, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

New Logo or crest
Someone might want to update the logo in the infobox. The club has removed the cross on the crown in the new logo. For a reference and there are several with new images: Spain’s Real Madrid drops cross from logo to appease Gulf sponsors and Real Madrid drop Christian cross from club crest in Middle East Brudder Andrusha (talk) 05:25, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
 * You seem to be right, the cross has vanished from the logo on their official website http://www.realmadrid.com/. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 15:24, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The logo on their official website is too small, and sources say they only remove the cross in U.A.E. The original logo will still be in use in Europe. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 15:36, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Lack of details and perceived bias
I can't see how the Article's brief description of the 11-1 Madrid victory over Barcelona could be considered neutral as the fact that despite winning 11-1 Madrid went on to lose the final of said Copa del Generalissimo to Athletic Bilbao is completely omitted. Further, the article's lack of other key details may induce the average reader to infer that the Regime actively interfered in favor of Real Madrid, even when it is a well known fact Madrid were not successful those early years of Franco's regime, whereas Barcelona, who became the most successful team in Spain by 1953, were. Incidentally, 1953 was the year Di Stefano arrived and led Madrid to their first league title in 21 years, that in itself being 10 years after that 11-1 defeat of Barcelona in the Copa del Generalissimo that Madrid eventually lost.

I propose the language reads more like: "one of the most memorable moments of Real Madrid's early years was their 11-1 victory over Barcelona in the semi-final leg of La Copa del Rey/Generalissimo. Although some suggest Barcelona were intimidated by police and attribute the regime of direct interference, Madrid went on to lose the final against Athletic Bilbao." Something akin to that is far more neutral, and states direct fact.

I'd remove the mention of Madrid fans assaulting a Barcelona Chairman entirely as the article is about Real Madrid's history, not what a specific group of fans may or may not have done to someone at a given moment. Further, including that together with the regime interference claim, could only lead some to infer that Madrid fans were fascists, when the truth is far more complex. The bottom line is that if claims or suggestions of regime interference are going to be referenced, even if its brief, omitting to mention other key facts like the fact Franco imprisoned one Real Madrid President and executed another, doesn't help in painting a clear picture for the average reader. The regime interference claim carries political connotations and tends to simplify what is a complex issue. Just my two cents.Fcrisis (talk) 17:46, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you somewhat, so while I have not removed the fact that Madrid fans assaulted the Barca coach, I have researched the topic further and added new references in order to portray a more complete picture of the incidents surrounding the game. Other pages (that talk about this incident) are now uniform and don't have contradicting information. Thank you for bringing this to attention.Imperial HRH2 (talk) 18:10, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2015
NO HE IS NOT NUMBER 16!!!! MARtin ØDegård1 Plz change dis.

Dis is esential from which squad he plays in. Castilla Rl.

He 16 yes åld.

129.240.69.33 (talk) 16:06, 22 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 16:27, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Here's a reliable source about Ødegaard's squad number (or lack thereof): http://www.realmadrid.com/en/news/2015/01/odegaard-its-a-dream-come-true-to-be-at-the-biggest-club-in-the-world. He's seen presented in an unnumbered jersey, and he talks about playing for Castilla, which (at least with my understanding of Spanish shirt number rules) means that there is no way he can have number 16. Please remove the number in any case 2001:878:200:1053:54CA:31B7:340B:5037 (talk) 17:25, 22 January 2015 (UTC)Random footy fan.


 * As far as I can tell the source says nothing of a number, all the jersey's are number-less on the front.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 17:38, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ Per this picture. Kante4 (talk) 17:55, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, that explains everything  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 17:58, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Real intro
Anyone think this is better than it currently stands?

Real Madrid established itself as a major force in both Spanish and European football during the 1950s. Domestically, the club has won a record 32 La Liga titles, 19 Copa del Rey, 9 Supercopa de España, 1 Copa Eva Duarte and 1 Copa de la Liga. Internationally the club has won a record 10 European Cup/UEFA Champions League titles and a joint record 3 Intercontinental Cups, as well as 2 UEFA Cups, 2 UEFA Super Cups and a FIFA Club World Cup.

I don't really have an issue with how it stands, but, the term "joint most successful" is ambiguous and open to interpretation (its also ever changing wirh each trophy won). This one is definitive...won a record 32 titles domestically, won a record 10 CL internationally. Clearly Real leads both domestically and internationally. I was going to do similar with Barca and remove their "joint" claim...as again it's vague. When statistics are involved we can be more clear. As a Liverpool fan, similar was done to the page today..."one of the most successful",...again, vague. Now it's, record number of Europeam Cups for an English club, and United its record number of Leagues. When it's cut and dried "most successful" then it works fine, but when it's close it gets very iffy.Carlos Rojas77 (talk) 19:51, 5 February 2015 (UTC)


 * This is exactly what I thought, and brought this point up 3 years ago (with a edit request) to the FC Barcelona editors. They were hesitant and insisted it was used on the FC Barcelona. And it has since been this way. Either way, if you can draw consensus with Barca editors, then all is well. However, I think the "most successful in European Competitions" bit for Real Madrid should stand as it is not ambiguous and it is lede material for another Wiki article, List of UEFA club competition winners. Imperial HRH2 (talk) 20:33, 5 February 2015 (UTC)


 * The problem with the term "most successful" is that it is always an opinion. Real Madrid have indisputably won more European Cups than anyone else, but they are the richest club in the world with an enormous base of supporters and based in one of Europe's major cities. Nottingham Forest have won the same competition twice, despite being a medium-sized provincial club with modest finances. It could be argued that doing that is a greater "success" than Real Madrid's. I think that Wikipedia articles should stick to saying that a club has won a record number of such-and-such titles, or more of a particular competition than any other from their country. Sadly, Barca and Madrid fans both seem to be insistent that their club should be described as "most successful", even if it's only a joint "honour". Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 09:10, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2015
Please change:
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —  23:03, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Current squad
Bvsmette (talk) 08:48, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * not done. Do you have a source? A picture shows him without a number as seen above. Kante4 (talk) 11:22, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Probably has no 21.

Probably this would help

Current squad
( [[UEFA Champions League|UCL]}}, not officially playing)

92.96.101.185 (talk) 14:13, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2015
Hello everybody It is announced that martin odegaard got the no. 21 shirt vacant by morata, please add. http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2015/clubs/club=50051/squad/index.html He is in the midfileders section Thank you

92.96.101.185 (talk) 12:24, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but he only is on the CL list but won't play for the first team in the league. So i'm not sure if he should be added or added with a note (he won't play anyhow)? Kante4 (talk) 12:30, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * He might play but only in CL, like a player did in their last game. Probably a note can do good?
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. <font color="Sky blue">Acalycine <font color="Sky blue">(talk <font color="Sky blue">/contribs) 11:17, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2015
AC Milan is the other most Successful team in Europe having won 7 Champions League/UEFA trophies, NOT Bayern Munich. please correct this data.

208.105.77.2 (talk) 15:07, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not clear exactly what the request is here, but it has raised an issue. There is a sub-section of Rivalries dedicated to a rivalry between Real Madrid and Bayern Munich. However, no evidence has been provided documenting this as a specific rivalry. They're just two teams that, due to a long history of doing well in European tournaments, have met fairly often for two clubs from different countries. The sub-section should probably just be removed. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 15:20, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  Kharkiv07 Talk  20:26, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2015
the logo or the emblem of Real Madrid F.C is changed by its owner. The cross on the crest is removed from the season 2014-15 supporting link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2853930/Real-Madrid-remove-Christian-cross-official-crest-UAE-sponsorship-deal.html

Oldman13 (talk) 10:38, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Only in the arabic area if i'm not wrong. Kante4 (talk) 10:54, 20 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Not only is the DailyMail not a reliable source, the exclusion of the Christian cross only caters to a very few number of countries in the Middle East. Officially, the logo hasn't changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imperial HRH2 (talk • contribs) 18:38, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2015
The famous Real Madrid was founded by two Catalan brothers. The brothers go by the names of Carlos Padros Rubio and Juan Padros Rubio

188.254.246.18 (talk) 15:16, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Question: Do you have a reliable source for that claim? <i style="font-family:Sans-serif"><b style="color:blue">Qed</b><b style="color:red">237</b>&#160;<b style="color:green">(talk)</b></i> 15:56, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2015
Danilo has already signed and has a jersey number add him to the first team squad

49.150.23.229 (talk) 11:24, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * On 1 July his transfer will be "official". Kante4 (talk) 15:16, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Honours
Why if we add the "runners-up" there also ?--Alexiulian25 (talk) 20:39, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Nope, too many. Kante4 (talk) 21:22, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2016
Rafa Benetez has been sacked

Enderwarp (talk) 16:21, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Is it official? No. Kante4 (talk) 16:23, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I propose that Hala Madrid be merged into Real Madrid C.F.. I think that the content in the Hala Madrid article can easily be explained in the context of popular culture, and the Real Madrid C.F. article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Hala Madrid will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Furthermore, Hala Madrid does not meet WP:GNG and WP:NMEDIA. SLBedit (talk) 23:10, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. Kante4 (talk) 23:33, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge what though? There's next to nothing on it. I would support one sentence on it in popular culture, with a cite. Nothing more.Carlos Rojas77 (talk) 23:36, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't see any significant coverage by reliable secondary sources. Why did you remove the template if Hala Madrid is not a redirect? Anyway, I have converted it into a redirect. "If enough time ( normally one week or more ) has elapsed and there has been no discussion or is unanimous consent to merge, any user may close the discussion and move forward with the merger." SLBedit (talk) 02:33, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

External links modified
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Real Madrid TV
Is a free channel --Cuentaprueba10 (talk) 16:07, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Insertion of Mourinho (in subheading) and an image
I've stated the two reasons why Mourinho doesn't belong there. Del Bosque is not mentioned, Heynckes is not mentioned..recent coaches who won more than Mourinho at Madrid and are far more significant in the club's history. Another editor correctly removed Mourinho from the sub heading previously as he is not significant enough to warrant it...it's WP:undue weight (excessive focus on an individual). The Madrid article is ranked good, to maintain this (or better) we must follow guidelines. Carlos Rojas77 (talk) 13:47, 7 May 2016 (UTC)


 * It's not about who won more, for example Benitez hasn't won anything and he was training for a 6 months and is mentionated in a headline...., is about the STAGE, between 2009 and 2013 Mourinho is the most important figure of all is the key of these years.
 * I am against this treatment of history in which we write more about 2 years that about 40 in which Real Madrid has won more than half of all his acheivements, but If we create a section of the years between 2009 and 2013 Mourinho is the key figure.--Cuentaprueba10 (talk) 13:30, 7 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Had a rlook at the article's edit history and this has been brought up before when Mourinho was removed. Having looked at various team articles only major figures are singled out. For example Shankly at Liverpool, Ferguson at Man United. These are both featured articles. I agree it seems excessive to do similar for Mourinho at Madrid when he was largely deemed a failure, certainly he is not of a similar stature to many other Madrid managers who don't get any significant attention. An image of him is totally over the top I agree. A manager taking over doesn't mean they feature in a subheading. 2009 became the Ronaldo era so an image of him is apt. RyanTQuinn (talk) 15:50, 7 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Before writing tries to read what others writes. It's not about who won more, for example Benitez hasn't won anything and he was training for a 6 months and is mentionated in a headline...., is about the STAGE, between 2009 and 2013 Mourinho is the most important figure of all is the key of these years. 2013-15 Ancelotti, 1999-2003 Del Bosque etc. I repeat, I am against this treatment of history in which we write more about 2 years that about 40 in which Real Madrid has won more than half of all his acheivements, but If we create a section of the years between 2009 and 2013 Mourinho is the key figure --Cuentaprueba10 (talk) 15:33, 7 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Concur with the motion that Mourinho shouldn't be mentioned in a heading, and neither should Benitez. This emphasis smacks of WP:Recentism. The history section is meant to be a summary of the club's entire history, not an emphasis on recent events. Neither coach will be given much thought in the future as they were minor figures in the entire history of the club. Images snd headings are reserved for historic figures/events. Cristiano is obviously an historic figure, as was the achievement of la decima. Too much emphasis on minor individuals would deceive the readers and would also devalue the article. Chie one (talk) 09:00, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * No need to name a header after one manager. Kante4 (talk) 14:17, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Error in 2012-13 Champions League season paragraph
The last paragraph under the headline Second Pérez term, and arrival of Cristiano Ronaldo (2009–13) needs to be fixed. It says Real "finish[ed] second with ten points behind Dortmund." This is not true, both teams where seperated by only 3 points (see [here]). --LordHorst (talk) 15:03, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅. Kante4 (talk) 15:30, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Real Madrid known as real
I do not agree with the phrase "commonly known as Real Madrid, or simply as Real". Actually, the team commonly know as (la) Real is Real Sociedad de San Sebastian. Real Madrid club de fútbol is known as Real Madrid or as, plain and short, Madrid (you can pronounce it Madrí, too, but only if you are a Madrid indigen) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Estevedelacebo (talk • contribs) 13:15, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * When in Germany it's talked about Real, everyone knows it's about Real Madrid. Sure, it's the same on other places. Kante4 (talk) 14:09, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It's known as Real in other countries outside Spain, but in Spain it's called Real Madrid or simply Madrid. Real Sociedad is the club which in Spain is called (la) Real (preceded by the Spanish feminine article "la"). Examples in news published yesterday (in Spanish): El Madrid abrirá el Bernabéu en la final de la Champions, La Real pone la puntilla al curso gris del Valencia. --Jorges65 (talk) 05:46, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2016
Arshia rashidian dezfooli (talk) 18:03, 23 June 2016 (UTC) I want to change the numbers of current squad
 * Which ones? And you need a source. Kante4 (talk) 18:07, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2016
Add Lucas Silva to Current Real Madrid roster. He is still considered part of the first team, just has not been assigned a number.

Fsirhc01 (talk) 23:56, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- <b style="color:blue">Dane 2007 </b> <font color="#00AC1D">talk 03:01, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Rubén Yáñez
Rubén Yáñez is no longer registered with Castilla. I have not seen any transactions involving another goalkeeper coming to Madrid, so he must be on the first team. Raul17 II (talk) 12:12, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes he is as it can be seen at the given source. Kante4 (talk) 12:48, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * What source? The past two seasons, he was registered with Castilla. The first two matches this season, he was on the Castilla roster. On the latest registration, four players: José Carlos Lazo, José León, Sergio Reguilón and Rubén Yáñez were replaced on the roster by Sergio Díaz, Javi Muñoz, Martin Odegaard and Nikolas Vergos. Díaz and Odegaard were on the Juvenil A roster. The only way Rubén Yáñez can play for Madrid is to be on the Castilla roster (#31) or Madrid's (#25). Raul17 II (talk) 00:45, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Can't we keep the discussion at one page? He has #31 as seen at the source for the first team squad. Kante4 (talk) 04:05, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Like I said before, the website doesn't always update quickly. The Madrid Football Federation had him off the Castilla roster so he had to be on the 1st team with a 1st team kit number. Raul17 II (talk) 15:45, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Now, the source is updated. Kante4 (talk) 16:44, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 September 2016
Could somebody change and add the Start date and age template to "|founded = {Start date and years ago|df=yes|1902|3|6}" to "|founded = {Start date and age|df=yes|1902|3|6}"?

108.45.29.72 (talk) 06:08, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅. Kante4 (talk) 08:03, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Real Madrid Fan/Support Clubs
Would someone add more information to the support section regarding international fan clubs around the globe. http://www.realmadrid.com/en/fan-clubs

SyrianLion (talk) 18:45, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. 🔯 Sir Joseph <sup style="color:Green;">🍸 (talk) 19:02, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2017
There is an inappropriate use of the word "quinta" in the text:

"The other four members were Manuel Sanchís, Martín Vázquez, Míchel and Miguel Pardeza; all five footballers were graduates of Real Madrid's youth academy.[36] With La Quinta del Buitre (reduced to four members when Pardeza left for Zaragoza in 1986) and" (...)

The Spanish word "quinta" refers to a certain generation of players, but not the number of them. In the text it used to count the numbers of players belonging to that generation - however, 'La Quinta del Buitre' as it says subsequently in the text was formed by a larger number of players than just five.

Apart from being incorrect, I believe the text unfairly highlights some players from that generation against others.

Source: Wordreference (http://www.wordreference.com/definicion/quinta - definition number 9) 2A02:8109:8CC0:371C:8D80:B161:BBE3:179F (talk) 04:11, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. &mdash; Train2104 (t • c) 16:07, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2017
Please change the Fitness coach Bernardo Requena to Javier Mallo and Antonio Pintus because these two gentleman are the current fitness coaches of Real Madrid C.F. as of June 2017. Ibrahimhoque01 (talk) 16:51, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done &mdash; Music1201  talk  17:50, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

17/18 Kit
Is it ok to have the kit updated based on the leaks, before the official release? Or have I missed seeing the release? Anakimi (talk) 21:59, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I would suggest to wait for an official release. Kante4 (talk) 04:19, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * New kit was officially released today anyway. Anakimi (talk) 00:02, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2017
It must be mentioned that Real Madrid is a non-profit sports association. Armanshah (talk) 06:05, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Murph 9000 (talk) 06:35, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


 * It is well known that Real Madrid is a association in which there is no profit sharing between the partners and wich hasn't got a majority partner, is owned by a little more of 90,000 members of the club. There is only a small legal doubt, it is that the club is not an Sociedad Anónima Deportiva (SAD) since it was not converted in 1990 as well as FC Barcelona, Athletic Club Bilbao, Osasuna etc., all clubs with the same characteristics, members with voting option and without economic benefits. So the club can be considered as a non-profit sport association, because in practice it is, even if they don't pay a corporation tax like a S.A.D.. --95.22.121.52 (talk) 05:59, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Extensiveness
I'm adding content to make the history section (especially recent history) more comprehensive, comparable to that of other clubs. Editors please feel welcome to add content or provide suggestions. Anakimi (talk) 02:53, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Could you please check if my edits are excessive? I get the sense that they might be... Anakimi (talk) 07:30, 16 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I already told you below in the "Clear case of WP:Recentism" section, 2013-2017 need a only one section, not 4 paragraphs for two years and trhee for other two and one of them dedicate to bad season without winning any important title. Look the articule about this. --95.22.121.52 (talk) 08:55, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Clear case of WP:Recentism
This article is a clare case of WP:Recentism.

The section of history is quite deficient, not to say directly incorrect. You can not give more space in the text to a stage of 2 years of a single coach than to the entire decade of the 70's, or to the whole decade of the 80's with the 5 consecutive leagues, or to the decade of the 90's with the return in 98 to the European triumphs etc. Apart from that it would be necessary to make a section much more extensive of the 50's and 60's, the 40's after the Civil War is interesant when the club was near to descend. The seasons from 1955 to 1960 have to be named, like 1962, 1964 and of course the season of 1966.

Space must be proportional, it should be summarize more the present and at least name and explain happenings of the twentieth century.

If the article is protected I can create an account and start to compose and improve the sections.--95.22.121.52 (talk) 03:35, 16 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Incidentally, I have just further expanded the most recent section. But I would suggest that prior history be expanded further, rather than recent history be deleted to make things proportionate. Anakimi (talk) 04:51, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * But there might definitely be room for summarizing the contents of the last couple of years. Don't mean to prevent anyone from doing that. Anakimi (talk) 04:54, 16 June 2017 (UTC)


 * The last 7 years have been important for the history of the club, surely more remarkable than for example the decade of the 70's for the international success, but in any case is a space of 10 years, it seems to me well that the content of the present is well exposed but in many occasions it seems excessive, all that information are already in the articles of the championships, in the hsitory section should be named triumphs and make a brief summary of the seasons, is a section of the entire history of the club and can not dedicate a paragraph to a single season.


 * The paragraphs or sections must be about decades and in exceptional about about 5 years periods as it could be the case of the time of 2013-17. I think it is wrong to dedicate two sections to the 2013-2017 stage, because the squad is very similar, and it is not possible to leave a section to a period of 2 years, is much better a 2013-2017 section than 2013-2015 and 2015-2017. Apart from a little restructuring of the recent seasons, I think we have to expand the sections of the twentieth century. I'm trying to get images for the sections but I'm a bit confused with the wikicommons licenses.--95.22.121.52 (talk) 05:21, 16 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I noticed that the Spanish page for Real Madrid has a lot of content for history. Maybe that could be useful if equivalent English references were found. Anakimi (talk) 06:04, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

I did a bit of a re-org of the more recent sections (combined the Ancelotti-Zidane 'eras'), because although they seem distinct, the core group of players have been essentially the same, and it's been just 4 years. There still seems to be some excessive detail in the contents of the section that probably could be pruned out (for e.g. how many goals C. Ronaldo scored in certain games; just seems like trivia to me). It's a bit hard to get rid of a lot of the detail in the contents because there have been several notable achievements and records in the past few years and everything seems relevant but it is disproportionately larger than several of the previous decades and seems too bottom heavy. Anakimi (talk) 18:13, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

European Cup squads
Should I make the formations on the pitch for the teams that were fielded in the 7 European Cup triumphs? It might seem like their importance is downplayed otherwise. If people think it's unnecessary however, I won't do it. Anakimi (talk) 05:00, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Nickname
The nicknames shouldn't be written with a definite article, the nickname is Blancos Whites, Merengues Meringues, Vikingos Vikings, not THE/LOS whites/blancos etc. in most articles about football clubs the nickname is not accompanied by a definite article, this is the right way. In fact in the page in Spanish of the article appears without the "los/the".--87.223.84.198 (talk) 12:39, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

loan
put lienhart on loan graph, he's moving on freiburg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.163.44.236 (talk) 13:35, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅. Kante4 (talk) 13:41, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Vinícius Júnior
212.171.28.130 (talk) 16:33, 8 July 2017 (UTC) Vinícius Júnior should not be put into loan graph (at Flamengo until 30 June 2019)?


 * Nope. He joins Madrid in 2018 and then he can be added. Kante4 (talk) 16:42, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I'm a Real Madrid fan and Vinícius Júnior was bought for €45 million in May 2017 and he could play for us at any time between 2018 and 2019. He is already a Real Madrid player on loan to Flamengo. 212.171.28.130 (talk) 16:55, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Me too and this says "Real Madrid C. F. and Clube de Regatas do Flamengo have reached an agreement regarding the transfer of the federative rights of the player Vinicius Junior from July 2018. The player will remain at his current club until July 2019, although he will be able to play for Real Madrid before then if both clubs agree to it." So, from July 2018 he is on loan. Kante4 (talk) 17:01, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Okay, but then why in the Spanish version of this article Vinícius Júnior turns out to be on loan like Fábio Coentrão, Lucas Silva, Martin Ødegaard and Federico Valverde? 212.171.28.130 (talk) 17:10, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Ask there, i don't know. For me it's clear. Kante4 (talk) 17:14, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Update on club value and revenue
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes%27_list_of_the_most_valuable_football_clubs Pasz9 (talk) 07:04, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Que? Kante4 (talk) 07:14, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Social Media
Can't we have any links to Real Madrid social media pages? Including the number of followers by rankings of both by sport club and soccer club. Pasz9 (talk) 07:16, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Madridista Fan Clubs
Fan Clubs of Real Madrid Pasz9 (talk) 08:04, 9 July 2017 (UTC)