Talk:Reality-Based Self-Defense

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Who is the quote from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.226.95.18 (talk) 14:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Very good, an excellent article on what RBSD is all about!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.198.231 (talk • contribs) 22:54, 2 August 2006

I think its getting there, I'm working on the clarity of language in a couple of parts - specifically around various motor skills. I have forwarded to a few people I think can help with the more kinesthological portions. Clausewitz01 02:35, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

This page needs to be more "Vendor Neutral." At the moment the majority of the article appears to be an add for RMAX. Although I am a fan of Sonnon, I believe certain terms should remain neutral. If you wish I can help edit the page. I can jelp with a better definition of Gross Motor as well as add other relevant content. Sincerely Chris --Cwheeler33 18:03, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with that. I don't know anything about RBSD in itself, but the article isn't really all that neutral at the moment - the last para is a case in point. More to the point, it's sorely lacking in inline references - having the *only* inline citations being from Sonnon's work isn't really acceptable. There are also too many external links: WP guidelines are that discussion forums should *not* usually be used as links, and a few of the other links are more adverts than informative. We're not a link farm.


 * You also have things like "Unlike fine and complex motor skills, gross motor skills DO NOT deteriorate under stress." That can't just be left as an assertion; it *needs* a proper citation from a reliable source (ie not someone with a vested interest for/against RBSD). I nearly shoved a POV template on the article, but decided it wasn't that bad. As it stands, the article has plenty of potential, but needs cleaning up in general and more references in particular. 86.132.138.205 01:23, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

reality-based term?
The entire point of self-defense as a concept separate from martial art is that it is "reality-based". Calling it "reality-based" on top of "self-defense" is just marketing. Seriously, what would be "non-reality-based self-defense" and why would anyone practice it? Non-reality-based marital exercise is simply that, a martial art, a combat sport or stage combat. --dab (𒁳) 15:12, 11 January 2011 (UTC)


 * It turns out that RSBD is a term that appeared around 2004 and is supposed to cater to the paramilitary geeks in the United States. I am not sure it actually means anything, but seems it became the handle for a sort of subculture. More evidence is needed.
 * quite tellingly, the term gets a single hit from 2011  on google news, and a single hit from 2009 on google books. Whatever else it is, it is a neologism. Google hits for the entire internet at this moment number in the 50,000s, so it also appears that this is mostly an online phenomenon. --dab (𒁳) 15:25, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Wagner
alright, so there is an entire blog, http://www.jimwagner.org, dedicated to debunking Wagner as a fraud. Why anyone would go to the trouble, seeing that there must be hundreds of martial arts frauds in the USA alone, I don't know. The people at bullshido.net also seem to be more than skeptical. In fact, "RBSD" appears to be something of a running gag at bullshido.net, with threads composing haikus to mock it and the like. Not that this is anywhere near WP:RS, but neither is the article subject itself substantiated as passing WP:NOTE at this point. --dab (𒁳) 16:00, 11 January 2011 (UTC)