Talk:Reality Killed the Video Star

Post deletion improvements
Didn't have much time to consider reversing my delete vote, but in light of the significant growth and improvement, I would have done so. Nice work at saving the article properly. ThuranX (talk) 17:59, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry I requested the AFD close that soon then, I figured you will not be online for a while. Glad to see you are expressing consent with the withdrawal though. Regards  So Why  18:18, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Adding new information
Could somebody add this information to the section "Release and promotion"? I'd do it by myself but I'm not a native and my written English is not good enough for that. Thank you. 83.45.124.24 (talk) 03:53, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Argentinian album chart
Peak #11 http://argentinatop100.com.ar/top20albumes/2009/2211-2811/ -> CAPIF's Top 20 archived by ArgentinaTop100.com.ar —Preceding unsigned comment added by HC 5555 (talk • contribs) 13:02, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Reviews
PopMatters is used on may Wikipedia pages!! see Albums at the review section and PLEASE STOP DELETING THEM!! (MariAna Mimi 18:03, 16 December 2009 (UTC))
 * It does not matter if you have seen Popmatters used as a review on other Wiki articles. They do not always use reviews from qualified, professional reviewers and are therefore inappropriate for inclusion. The Independent newspaper is a far better source for a review in comparison as it is a leading British newspaper and part of the mainstream press. 80.47.35.172 (talk) 03:45, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Here :WikiProject Albums/Review sites you can find a list of PREFERED PROFESSIONAL MUSIC REVIEW SITES!! as you will wee PopMatters is listed as one of them! The review itself is more complex and talks about many aspects of the album, compared to the Independent! PLEASE STOP you are NOT helping the page at all! you are not adding info, or expanding it! you are just fixated on 1 idea! (MariAna Mimi 09:27, 17 December 2009 (UTC))
 * That is not a "preferred" list, it is simply an acceptable list, and PopMatters should no longer be on it because they do not always get their reviews from professional journalists (check their own "About" page and their own Wikipedia article). However, the fact is you have AGAIN removed a review from a leading and reputable British newspaper so that you could put the PopMatters review in its place. You were doing this 2 weeks ago and you were blocked for it and the page was protected for 2 weeks. As soon as the page gets unprotected, you're up to your old tricks again. It is quite clear you haven't learned your lesson at all. 80.47.73.66 (talk) 10:23, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You're not the one to talk!! The only thing you do is delete reviews!!! DID YOU CONTRIBUTE TO THE PAGE IN ANY USEFUL WAY??? NO!! YOU DID NOT!! other people think that PopMatters is a reliable source that's why it was added on the review list of websites, if U think otherwise tell them to remove it! I would gladly stop reverting edits if you would STOP VANDALIZING THE PAGE!! (MariAna Mimi 10:50, 17 December 2009 (UTC))
 * Your attitude is appalling. Please kindly stop using capitals when messaging as this is considered rude to other users. You have also reverted/removed The Independent review 4 times now in the past 24 hours and you have been reported for edit warring. Again. 80.47.126.49 (talk) 14:01, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with the PopMatters review being included. I can see no reason to remove The Independent review. MariAna Mimi: would you be so kind as to explain your objection to including The Independent review? Bondegezou (talk) 18:21, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, to possibly answer my own question, I see that infoboxes are meant to have no more than 10 reviews linked. Of the current 12, I would have thought that the ones with the widest circulation were The Times, The Independent, The Guardian, The Observer and the Los Angeles Times. I would have thought the next most significant ones in terms of their standing were Billboard, Entertainment Weekly, NME and, perhaps, Spin. The remaining three ( The A.V. Club, PopMatters and Slant), I'm not saying there's anything wrong with them, but as online-only and less established sources, they would seem less significant than the others. Is there any guidance on choosing in a situation like this? If not, I would have thought, given the reasoning above and the principles of WP:NPOV, that we drop two of The A.V. Club, PopMatters and Slant. I'll take no action now and wait others' comments. Bondegezou (talk) 18:32, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * PS: Note that WP:ALBUM/REVSIT is not an exclusive list. That something is not listed there does not mean it is not to be used. Bondegezou (talk) 18:34, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The AV Club, EW, Spin, Billboard, NME, are all music/media magazines, I wanted to add Popmatters because the reviewer speaks about all the songs on the album, the review is very extensive. The Independent and The Observer both gave the album a 3 star rating, The Observer is the bigger newspaper, i just can't understand why people feel the need to continue adding it!We should have both positive as well as negative reviews, both from the US as well as from the UK! MariAna_MiMi (Talk) 19:40, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explaining your reasoning. What about this: we drop Slant (minor, web-only) and Spin (smallest circulation of the other print sources)? That gets us to 10, preserves a mix of good and bad reviews, and still has a mix of US and UK? Bondegezou (talk) 20:18, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I still believe that Spin should be kept, if necessary we could add them to the external links maybe?? how about that? MariAna_MiMi (Talk) 20:52, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. They can be used in the article, they can be links, sure, let's not lose them entirely. Bondegezou (talk) 21:07, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that the Allmusic review should be kept since Allmusic is probably the biggiest source for album reviews and can be found on allmost every Wikipedia album page. You can find the written review on their site, they did not rate the album in stars yet, but i guess that they will do it soon that's why I added Allmusic to the review box. I will add it when they do, if not i will add it with "positive" or "negative". Please don't delete it. thanx. :-) MariAna_MiMi (Talk) 21:57, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 * For the IP adress(es) who keep adding The Independent, you can add the review at the review section, but not in the review infobox because there are too many reviews!! also if you add it at the review section use a reference for it!! thank U! MariAna_MiMi (Talk) 16:11, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Too late, MariAna. You have been repeatedly warned about edit-warring on this article (and even been blocked twice this month alone as well as being told you cannot use the revert function for a month) and here you are doing it again. You reverted before you discussed on the talk page, and you will be reported and blocked yet again. 80.47.9.124 (talk) 16:20, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 80.47.9.124, perhaps it would help if you discussed some of your changes here first as well. We should all be able to move towards a consensus without edit-warring. Bondegezou (talk) 17:31, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The changes were once again surrounding reviews, which have been discussed at great length above. Despite discussion, MariAna Mimi has yet again removed The Independent newspaper review despite it being a highly respectable UK newspaper. And why? For no good reason other than she doesn't want it in the article which she seems to think she owns. Trying to discuss anything with this individual is a complete waste of time because she never takes any notice. She has been warned by various editors, including several admins, but all to no avail. People do not own articles - end of story. 80.47.90.92 (talk) 19:25, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I recommend all involved parties consider WP:AGF, WP:CONSENSUS and WP:CIVILITY. I also recommend WP:WHY (the benefits of creating an account over editing anonymously) to 80.47.9.124. Some of the discussion above demonstrates what civility can achieve: it was useful and helped move us towards a consensus. So perhaps everyone can step back from their entrenched positions and leave aside past disputes. Bondegezou (talk) 23:11, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I have restored the review from The Independent after it was inappropriately deleted again. The reviews table is no longer required to go into the article infobox, and therefore there is no longer a restriction on how many reviews can go in it. Including all respected, mainstream publication reviews in the table is beneficial to readers who may want a quick analysis of an album's critical reception but may not want to read the entire section dedicated to reviews. As discussed before, The Independent is a highly respected British broadsheet newspaper, and its inclusion is far more warranted than some of the other reviews in the section. 80.47.81.18 (talk) 05:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Sales figures
I've removed the sales totals for the UK as the sources were either out of date (Billboard) or inappropriate (an online fan forum). Furthermore, even though I know the album has certainly sold more than 300,000 copies in the UK, it has not yet actually been certified as Platinum. Certifications in the UK are not automatic and record companies have to pay for them before they are made. The BPI has no listing for the album as yet so listing the certification in the article is a little premature. 80.47.165.203 (talk) 06:06, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, any sales figures that are added to the page without a valid source will be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.47.172.46 (talk) 15:07, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Update: The BPI certified the album (double platinum) on 4 Jan 2010. However, please do not change this detail unless the BPI award further certifications themselves - regardless of any sales figures reported elsewhere. Thank you. 80.47.68.54 (talk) 16:17, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Full credits
Full performing, writing and production credits available here, including some corrections to what's currently in the article. Bondegezou (talk) 12:24, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Certifications
Here you can find the official sales numbers & certifications provided by IFPI as of December 2009. Please take a look before changing numbers at the table; unless there is a reliable source for the sales in a certain country do not change the numbers in the table. Also take a look at BADCHARTS to see which sources should not be used as refernces before adding them. Thank you. MariAna_MiMi (Talk) 21:06, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, if someone could find reliable sources to be added to the certifications table that would be really great! The album charted high in the Netherlands, Italy (where it was cerified Platinum???), Spain, Norway. But please make sure that the sources are reliable and according to Wikipedia rules. Thanx! :) MariAna_MiMi (Talk) 22:13, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

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