Talk:Rebirth (Lil Wayne album)

may want to merge with Tha Carter III article
Unitl the actual album is released it should be merged with Tha Carter III article.Xx1994xx (talk)

why? THAD GETS NO ASS because the album may not follow notability guides according to wikipedia and will either be merged or deleted and this album is more like another deluxe version of tha carter iii so until the album comes out and prove its notability it needs to be merged.Xx1994xx (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 03:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC).

Redundant and unreliable sources
I removed the following sources from the article; my reasoning for removal appears below. Just so's you know. — Hello, Control Hello, Tony  15:05, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * — Redundant—sourced from the MTV article
 * — Redundant—sourced from the MTV article
 * — One short paragraph that says he's reissuing Tha Carter III with "some new songs" and that he's having a baby soon.
 * — Redundant—a mirror of the Billboard article
 * — Redundant—mirror of the Billboard article
 * — Redundant—content about the album is sourced from the MTV article
 * — Same article as above
 * — Redundant—sourced from the MTV article
 * — Redundant—sourced from the MTV article
 * — Not a reliable source and content is redundant with other, better refs
 * — Sourced from what Lil Wayne said onstage at a show—not a reliable source. In any case, again, it's redundant anyway and contradicts other information in the article (that The Rebirth is the Tha Carter III plus exclusive bonus tracks—not all new tracks)
 * — Redundant—sourced from MTV
 * — MTV

First of all whoever is adding Lil'Chucky,Cory gunz and hurricane to the list of people on the a milli remix STOP one of the referneces that HelloControl removed only confirmed that Tyga and Lil Mama.Xx1994xx (talk)

Kanye West
yoooo, I was brought here from the WP:AIV and WP:AN3 reports. The sticking point appears to be this issue. Is there any evidence of Kanye West's role as producer other than this Youtube video: ? I agree that the video does not appear to be the most reliable of sources -- Samir 06:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello, and thank you. Firstly, I would like to state I do not feel that I am right nor wrong.
 * I have edited many "upcoming albums" pages and not one that I have ever edited has used a list to list the producers. According to the current sources, Only Cool & Dre are confirmed while the others are possible, which is what I have stated.  Also, the "A Milli Remix" has been rumored, not confirmed, which is what is written.  If reliable, third-party sources can be found, I would be more than happy to add them myself, but it does not appear that is the case, which why I have reverted.  I also realize that I have broken the 3RR, and if anything is in order, I will take it and I apologize.  I have just gone by what I feel is right by Wikipedia policy.  --HELLØ    ŦHERE 07:01, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

he talks about it at 4:20, "new wayne special package incoming before this christmas is out and we got a new record on there together"

why is it that if kanye would have said this on mtv, it would be valid, but since he said it during a def jam conference call, it's invalid? that makes no sense. like i said before, all mtv does is takes what an artist says and compiles it into an article. the video of him saying it is just as reliable as an mtv article. 11:11, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It is not just MTV that is reliable. But this is an illegal version of that phone call.  If any reliable third-party source had a story about this phone conversation, it would be acceptable.  And a quick Google search I conducted within the last week brought no other reliable sources besides MTV, but if you have any that are reliable sources, please feel free to add them.  --HELLØ    ŦHERE 22:36, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

reliable and illegal are two different things. recording the call may have been illegal, but it is not illegal to post about the recording. freedom of the press. cubfan789 (talk) 07:21, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Even still, we cannot use an illegal copy of the phone call. If Def Jam posts it, or someone reliable speaks about it in an interview or something of that nature, we can use it.  --HELLØ    ŦHERE 20:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

like i said, IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO USE ILLEGALLY OBTAINED INFORMATION. it is perfectly legal under the united states constitution. obviously the information is reliable too, unless you believe he was lying to all those people.
 * Yelling does not make you right, nor will it get people to agree with your point. Secondly, not every Wikipedian editor is an American.  Thirdly, the U.S. constitution doesn't really matter on Wikipedia as they have their own guidelines.  --HELLØ    ŦHERE 21:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

you know what, i dont even feel like arguing you. you points are just so stupid. so whatever, you win.
 * It's not about "winning", it's about doing what's right by the guidelines and standards of Wikipedia. Your arguments would be correct on a Lil Wayne forum, but on this site they are not the standards and rules we apply.  --HELLØ    ŦHERE 22:52, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

my version follows every guideline. i dont know what youre talking about
 * The list of producers is not following guidelines, the YouTube source is not following guidelines, nor does listing songs which are not confirmed such as the A Milli remix. --HELLØ    ŦHERE 22:55, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Using list format instead of prose format
Per this section of the Wikipedia Manual of Style, we should not use lists when a passage is read easily as plain paragraphs. A brace of bulleted lists on possible producers and tracks instead of rendering the information in prose form goes against this guideline. &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 10:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

there are a couple problems with your suggestion to follow this guideline
 * 1. this list is incomplete and it's going to be added onto in the near future.
 * 2. the sentences are redundant and will become more redundant as the list gets bigger.
 * 3. it's going to end up being a list anyway once more information is added.

also side note, a lot of jpgrb's grammar is incorrect in the article. i was trying to fix that too.

so whats the conclusion? 07:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)07:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)~
 * I would presume the "conclusion" is to follow the guidelines of Wikipedia. Which, as pointed out above, says we should not use the list, and to use prose.  --HELLØ    ŦHERE 03:29, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

strictly following that wikipedia guideline would mean cd singles would have to be listed in a paragraph rather than a list. obviously there are exceptions to the rule.
 * What articles are you using as examples? Every "CD single" I've seen uses prose as opposed to lists.  --HELLØ    ŦHERE 21:17, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Tracks
Anyone think Red Rum's gonna be on here? Cool & Dre Produced it, I'm just wondering... Also, I heard this is going to be a "Rock" or "rock - type" album or something like that. this should be good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.182.146.25 (talk) 21:01, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Tha Carter III: The Rebirth Vs Rebirth
So apparently there are two album articles now. One is this one, and the other is just called Rebirth. Lil Wayne just released the title, and its just called Rebirth. So I don't know if you guys want to change this article title or what.

Zypo (talk) 06:24, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I think it should be moved to the Rebirth article, since Tha Carter 3 re-release isn't going to happen. John (talk) 17:44, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree. He even said its gonna be an all-rock LP, and that it has nothing to do with Carter III, or his other hip hop releases. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zypo (talk • contribs) 18:22, 24 January 2009 (UTC) NEW JOINT FROM THE ALBULM LEAKED CALLED "FIX MY HAT"

Hot Revolver
Is it possible to mention the song "Hot Revolver" on here? The song was posted on Kanye's blog. It's obvious the song is going to be on the new album. Douglasr007 (talk) 02:41, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That source doesn't say anything about the album. Unless a reference says "This track will be featured on Rebirth." it cannot be confirmed. SE   KinG . User page.  Talk. 04:21, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Amazing Love?
A new track leaked called Amazing Love. It has a rock sound and everything. Wonder if its going to be on the album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.206.57 (talk) 17:38, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You need a reference. Just because it sounds rock doesn't mean it's confirmed. SE   KinG . User page.  Talk. 01:49, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

some other singles have been released on the internet but have not been confirmed to be on the internet.Hot revolver,Every girl,Rap cemetary,Yes,and Redrum —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.60.92.245 (talk) 16:44, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * However none of them are confirmed until so, they cannot be added into the article. SE   KinG . User page.  Talk. 17:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

TBD...
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.8694/title.lil-waynes-rebirth-pushed-back-maybe-shelved —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.11.250.4 (talk) 16:39, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

new track
its been a week is in gonna be in it.........its pretty good —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.225.64.176 (talk) 22:02, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The fact that you think the song is "pretty good" doesn't make it on the album. Unless a reliable source posts the track confirming it's on Rebirth it has no place in the article. SE   KinG . User page.  Talk. 22:08, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

i think it might be but i'm not sure but heres the web address: http://www.zshare.net/audio/57875666fef91f5f/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.225.39.212 (talk) 21:24, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

tracklist
Why can't this article have a tracklist instead of a paragraph listing the confirmed songs? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kitfisto999 (talk • contribs) 11:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC) NEW WAYNE TRACK FOR THIS ALBULM CALLED "FIX MY HAT" Heres da tracklist n cover http://thisizgame.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-game-to-appear-on-lil —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erikskill (talk • contribs) 10:23, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

NEW SONG HITS THE WEB FROM REBIRTH
NEW SONG FROM THE REBIRTH HIT THE WEB SOMETIME THIS WEEK CALLED "FIX MY HAT"..NASTY ASS JOINT!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.180.182.232 (talk) 01:23, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Fix My Hat... NOT on Rebirth.
"Now, you might be wondering what project the newly-released Fix My Hat is attached to (hint: it’s not Rebirth, despite what several blogs would have you believe). Los Angeles Clippers superstar Baron Davis is preparing yet another documentary (possibly a sequel to Crips & Bloods: Made In America), and Fix My Hat has been chosen for the soundtrack."

I am removing the track from the article due to this. SE  KinG. User page. Talk. 03:49, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Possible Tracks
Amazing Love(feat. Gudda Gudda)

Yeahhh!

Kobe Bryant

Spit(feat.Kevin Rudlof)

Leathal Injection(feat. Gudda Gudda)

Ready For the World

Ground Zero(feat. Tyga)

Girls Always

Anybody Find Me

Felt

Caring

Evil(Skit)

Fix My Hat Self Destruction —Preceding unsigned comment added by SCollier09 (talk • contribs) 13:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * And there are no sources for ANY of these. SE   KinG . User page.  Talk. 05:30, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Official but not yet realeased Track List
1. American Star

2. Prom Queen (feat. Shanell)

3. Ground Zero

4. Da Da Da

5. Paradise

6. Get A Life

7. On Fire

8. Drop The World (feat. Eminem)

9. Runnin' 10. One Way Trip (feat. Kevin Rudolf)

11. Knockout (feat. Nicki Minaj)

12. The Price Is Wrong

rebirth cover
yo i created that rebirth cover and the ripped looking back cover as well so relax it is fan-made not official!! heres da proof http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qycwlqS7maQ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilboogie (talk • contribs) 00:29, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

OFFICIAL CONFIRMED TRACKS (List should be updated when new info leaks)

1. Prom Queen

2. Hot Revolver

3. I'm Not Human

4. Lethal Injection —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.170.37.146 (talk) 20:25, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

OFFICIAL CONFIRMED TRACKS (List should be updated when new info leaks)
1. Prom Queen

2. Hot Revolver

3. I'm Not Human —Preceding unsigned comment added by SCollier91 (talk • contribs) 08:22, 26 July 2009 (UTC) --SCollier91 (talk) 08:29, 26 July 2009 (UTC)zfgfdfg

Other release date than November 24, 2009
According to [Metacritic]http://www.metacritic.com/music/upcomingreleases.shtml the date of Rebirth being released to public is the 18th of August 2009. Can we consider an edit to the Rebirth-article, or is my source untrustworthy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by CasKeane (talk • contribs) 21:17, 10 August 2009 (UTC) RIGHT... Wayne is going to release an album in 8 days without a cover or a track listing. There is already a source for a November 24 release so it stays as that. SE  KinG. User page. Talk. 02:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC) No cover and track listing? http://www.musicmeter.nl/album/167018

Cover: http://www.musicmeter.nl/images/covers/167000/167018.jpg

Tracklist: met Nicki Minaj met Mary J. Blige met Young Money met Lil Twist en Lil Chuckee met Lloyd met Dre met Gudda Gudda met Drake met The Game met Gudda Gudda met Kevin Rudolf met Lenny Kravitz
 * 1) I'm Not Human
 * 2) [Markeer als favoriete track] Knock Knock
 * 3) [Markeer als favoriete track] I'm Good, No Great
 * 1) [Markeer als favoriete track] Sick of This
 * 2) [Markeer als favoriete track] Dizzy
 * 1) [Markeer als favoriete track] Young Money World
 * 1) [Markeer als favoriete track] Lamp Laid
 * 1) [Markeer als favoriete track] With Me
 * 1) [Markeer als favoriete track] Hot Revolver
 * 1) [Markeer als favoriete track] Make It
 * 2) [Markeer als favoriete track] Amazing Love
 * 1) [Markeer als favoriete track] Girls Forever
 * 2) [Markeer als favoriete track] Prom Queen
 * 3) [Markeer als favoriete track] She Wants Me
 * 1) [Markeer als favoriete track] All About
 * 2) [Markeer als favoriete track] Fire Do?
 * 1) [Markeer als favoriete track] Bottom
 * 1) [Markeer als favoriete track] In Your Face
 * 1) [Markeer als favoriete track] Lethal Injection
 * 1) [Markeer als favoriete track] Ready for the World

Release date: 18th of August 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by CasKeane (talk • contribs) 21:17, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh dear god STOP with that track listing and cover. They are FAKE! November 24 is sourced, if you change the date it WILL be reverted. SE   KinG . User page.  Talk. 21:28, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Rebirth and Tha Carter IV
THERE IS NO DOUBLE PACK!!!!!!! On mtv.com.uk, Birdman Stated: "Tha Carter 4 is out December 15th, we won't release The Rebirth as a double CD like people are saying. Both will be out before 2010. We're looking to take over the game completely, flood the market. The Grammy's are ours next year." --70.233.102.223 (talk) 17:34, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Why don't you chill out? We already have that Rebirth and Tha Carter IV won't be packaged together. Read the article. SE   KinG . User page.  Talk. 22:00, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Track listing

 * title13 = Die For You (Bonus Track)
 * title14 = So Over You feat. Shanell (Bonus Track)


 * Until a reliable source is provided, the track listing will be removed. SE   KinG . User page.  Talk. 18:43, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Eminem's MySpace bulletin showed the same tracklist & his re-release of Relapse is on the same day as Rebirth —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dearsonist (talk • contribs) 21:53, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Right because MySpace is a reliable source... And release dates... Very reliable source. SE   KinG . User page.  Talk. 21:59, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

This is one thing i really hate about wikipedia. Most of their bullshit members and administraters are so lazy, they never do anything but reverts. They can't look up the info theirselves, they need other ppl to show them proof. It's called google, find a source that does fit your bogus Three guidelines. There's your realiable resource. Stop being so damn lazy and look up the proof yourselves once in a while. http://www.rapbasement.com/eminem/112809-according-to-amazons-uk-website-eminem-will-be-featured-on-lil-waynes-new-rebirth-album.html --70.233.102.223 (talk) 22:05, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Rage moar pl0x. The Rap Basement link is a blog source that violates Wikipedia's reliable source policy. Also it references Amazon UK as a source which is also an unreliable source. The album has been pushed to Febuary 1, 2010 and so I doubt a track listing that hasn't even been confirmed by Universal Records is legit. The collaboration with Eminem has been confirmed by MTV. But that is not enough support to assume any random track listing is real. SE   KinG . User page.  Talk. 22:09, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I just saw on a lyrics site and a site that you can actually order the album from and its got a tracklisting and every thing they've written lyrics to it [[[ALREADY]]]. So whoever created this page should edit it go on azlyrics.com find the tracklisting and write them on the page. I would if i was allowed to, but i can't and how do you create a page anyway if you can tell me please send it to me at stiffla_98@live.com.au plZ! Template:Mr. Momster -->

add to Recording and production
On the single "On Fire" produced by Cool & Dre, Lil Wayne has been said to being playing the guitar in the song. Also on the song "Da Da Da" he will be playing the bass, confirmed by Cool & Dre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Npaproductions (talk • contribs) 05:28, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Drop The World feat. Eminem, Next Single?
Its been brought to my attention that the highly anticipated collaboration with Eminem and Lil Wayne will be coming out as the next single after "Da Da Da". Can anyone confirm that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Npaproductions (talk • contribs) 15:20, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Should we even bother posting the release dates?
Might as well put "undetermined" as the release date until the album actually does drop, cause so far that album's been stalled for so long that I think it's trying to beat Chinese Democracy in delays. Look, he'll go to jail soon. He won't be able to tour and promote the album. So this album may actually not see the light of day until 2011 at best. Until the announced date arrives and the album actually shows up everywhere in stores, the "release" dates shouldn't even be taken seriously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.189.90.68 (talk) 02:57, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * If it's sourced, it's staying. SE   KinG . User page.  Talk. 12:29, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Advertised in a local sale paper.
Best Buy is advertising it for sale. Maybe the release date should be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.207.81.209 (talk) 22:56, 12 December 2009 (UTC) The new date is sourced. Also retailers are not a reliable source. SE  KinG. User page. Talk. 05:26, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Amazon Shipped Copies
Drop the World leaked because Amazon shipped copies out by accident and so the whole CD will soon be leaked. No doubt the track list will change by February though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.54.64.255 (talk) 21:08, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I did read this on Rap Radar. It seems like either the album will be moved to an earlier release or it will be pushed back further and with a completely different track listing. SE  KinG. User page. Talk. 22:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Should we post the current track listing, however? I can personally confirm that http://www. aceshowbiz .com/news/view/00029171.html has the track listing of the albums shipped due to Amazon's shipping error. Technically, the official release will be more-or-less a re-release, which could warrant two different articles. 173.19.206.223 (talk) 01:10, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No, because the track listing WILL change before the official release in February, and the February release will not be a re-release because the album was never "released". SE   KinG . User page.  Talk. 21:16, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

New Single - Drop the World (ft. Eminem)...
http://www.lilwaynehq.com/2009/12/19/lil-wayne-drop-the-world-feat-eminem-official-single-cover/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.11.250.4 (talk) 19:08, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

NY Times: Rebirth release "canceled"
The New York Times today has an article profiling Lil Wayne. It says:

After months of delays, “Rebirth” had been scheduled for release on Feb. 1, seemingly pegged to Lil Wayne’s impending incarceration.

That release has now been canceled, but what an odd note to depart on it would have been.

That could either mean shelved or indefinitely delayed; I think we should wait for other reports to surface before jumping from conclusions. Andrewlp1991 (talk) 20:15, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Rebirth not Canceled... well even if it is:
At least update the article to say something about the leaked track list...

It is as follows: American Star Prom Queen Ground Zero Da Da DA Paradice Get a Life On Fire Drop The World Runnin' One Way Trip Knockout The Price is Wrong Die For You I'm So Over You Revolver Hot Revolver

I don't know who you want me to confirm this, but I have the Promotional Copy in front of me right now, do what ever you guys do to reply to this to let me know if there is some sort of way I can confirm it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.232.0.24 (talk) 03:39, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 * We are not putting a leaked track listing. Leaks are not reliable sources per Wikipedia's reliable source policy. SE   KinG . User page.  Talk. 04:38, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

the leaked tracklist, and the leaked album, is the real thing, as of now and you should get pictures to confirm it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.188.18.247 (talk) 03:29, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Not canceled just delayed...
http://www.newlilwayne.com/2010/01/lil-waynee-rebirth-delayed-until-june-rapper-lands-on-top-50-grossing-tours/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.11.250.4 (talk) 01:38, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Not a reliable source, and I've also read this. It seems that all the sites reference a June 22, 2010 release that that was originated from... *drum roll*... Wal-Mart.com... And we ALL know that retailers are unreliable sources per Wikipedia's reliable source policy. But it seems that NONE of the websites can confirm it because no one from Universal or Cash Money has commented therefore a reliable sourced date stays. [[South Elgin, Illinois| SE  KinG . User page.  Talk. 01:42, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Confirmed it with an article from NME and edited the page. --Russ is the sex (talk) 16:37, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Rock album is a stretch of the term "Rock"
Given the fact that it has been leaked, I think we can judge for ourselves the genre of music here. While many songs use guitar, only a few could even be considered for candidacy for rock songs. Using a guitar does not make it a rock song. Given the fact that few songs even come close to qualifying as rock songs, the album can not be called a rock album with a few raps songs. It is, more accurately, a rap album with a few songs (that are arguably rock songs to begin with). Calling it a rock album doesn't make it a rock album. I could call Wikipedia a social networking site, but it isn't. I could call New York a country, but it is not. Rock has distinct qualities. The most obvious problem here is that on almost every track the drums overshadow the guitar, and the guitar proceeds to play a role as a rhythm instrument. This creates a song composed musically of mainly rhythm and drums, which is not rock music. The occasional rock "solo"-esque elements appended to the beginnings of many songs hardly qualify the song to be rock when the proceeding composition is largely rap. It is only a "rock" album in as much as Lil' Wayne insists it is, and until i can make grandiose claims with no merit on Wikipedia as well, i don't see why this institutionalized form of misrepresenting facts can be allowed on Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.205.186.181 (talk) 01:57, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Amen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.110.98.105 (talk) 15:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

The way I see it, Rebirth is a Rap album with rock influenced beats. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.247.114.170 (talk) 03:51, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Official Track List
1 American Star ft Shanell

2 Prom Queen ft Shanell

3 Ground Zero

4 Da Da Da

5 Paradice

6 Get A Life

7 On Fire

8 Drop The World ft Eminem

9 Runnin ft Shanell

10 One Way Trip ft Kevin Rudolf

11 Knockout ft Nicki Minaj

12 The Price Is Wrong

13 Die For You

14 So Over You ft Shanell

15 Ground Zero Remix ft Tyga

16 Ready For The World

17 Amazing Love ft Gudda Gudda

18 Hot Revolver ft Dre

19 Im Not Human

20 Politics ft Gudda Gudda

21 Most Wanted Rockstar

nvm... error

well another song that was famous was Die For You —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.121.209.146 (talk) 22:17, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

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