Talk:Recess (TV series)

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Untitled
Hopped by and found some vandalism, which is why you sometimes have to keep an eye out. Chaos samurai (talk) 04:40, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Vince's Race
Oh, why does Vince have to be described as the black kid, can't he just be the kid good at sports?

If you think this sounds a little racist, I'll have it removed.- B-101 21:15, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * He does seem to be the token black, though.  Sceptr e  ( Talk  ) 12:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

It's not in the slightest bit racist. He is black, and it's not saying that being Black is bad. The Haunted Angel 22:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of which ... what's the authority for stating that Ms. Grotke is African-American? While I think she could possibly be bi- or multi-racial, I don't think there were any indicators that she was necessarily African-American. 66.215.75.10 03:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Character profiles
That section is a huge mess. I tried to clean up the main character profiles, but I see the teacher and adult section in as much disarry.

VfD
On 1 Mar 2005, this article was nominated for deletion. The result was KEEP. See Votes for deletion/Recess (TV series) for a record of the discussion. Carrp | Talk 20:24, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The computer prickly used was Sal3000 not Hal 9000

Episode Guide
I really do reckon we need an episode guide, i wrote a few of the plot outlines no more than a sentence long, but a episode guide would be better.

voice actors
can some one please put down the names of the actors who do the voices for the main characters

Individual pics of characters
I deleted them when I edited this article, but if anyone still needs them, just put them as a link.
 * Image:TJD.jpg
 * Image:Vince2.jpg
 * Image:Spinelli.jpg
 * Image:Gretchen.jpg
 * Image:Mickey.jpg
 * Image:Gus2.jpg

To voice actors comment above: kind of taken care of... provided link to its IMDB info

EDIT: OK, I take the thing about the images back, as Dvirgueza keeps on reverting to his older edits that includes the pictures of the individual characters. I am getting annoyed that my edits keep on getting reverted to the older edits, and probably so is Muchi... So Dvirgueza, I know you like putting pictures here, but sorry, they just don't really belong here.

edited it a little as the previous wording made it sound like girls didn't wear dresses any more (anyway Gretchen's girly girl dress is a deliberate contrast to Spinelli's tomboy clothes). PMA 16:10, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

This article is in desperate need of some images. TheGreenMartian (talk) 06:16, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Where is Pennsylvania or Illinois mentioned
I noticed that Finster mentions the Arkansas Standard Acheivement test and that in the episode 'Spinelli's Masterpiece' the pale kids zoom down on Arkansas so I added it to the article, when is Pennsylvania mentioned or Illinois.I know that in the episode 'Old Folks Home' one of the old men says he used to play for Birmingham (presumably Birmingham Alabama) but no-one mentions Illinois and I don't believe that it's in Pennsylvania because Prickly says, in the episode 'Recess is Cancelled', 'I'll be on the next plane to Washington D.C.

Third Street get's it's playground balls from Columbus, Ohio, according to the episode 'the Library Kid', and Randall mentions, in the episode 'Stand-Up Randall', a field trip to St.Louis and so I don't think that they would have travelled from either Illinois or Pennsylvania all the way to Missouri for a kid's field trip.

A contradicting fact is that if Recess is in Arkansas or Illinois then how could Cornchip Girl's dad be in the navy if these state's have no coastline.

Guess What?! They let people from all over the country join the Navy now! Isn't that great! So cornchip girl's dad could have been in the navy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.68.91 (talk) 20:44, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Also in 'Spinelli's Masterpiece', the coordinates 80°W 40.4°N are mentioned, which would put it somewhere just south of Pittsburgh, southeast of the Great Lakes. Since that contradicts the animation where the computer zooms down on an area southwest of the Great Lakes, that means Third Street School could as well be located along a geographically unstable paraterranean realm like Springfield, Atlantis and Santa's workshops. -- MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 13:06, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

It should be abundantly clear that this show takes place in a fictional universe. Does Pennsylvania exist in that universe? Maybe. In that universe, Pennsylvania may be the size of Texas, located in Eastern Europe and populated entirely by talking grasshoppers. If reliable sources tell us that, we can include it in the article. We cannot, however, take details from the show, compare them to the real world and determine things about the show, because that is synthesis.

If the sources say they are in one place, but details seem to say they are somewhere else, the article should say they are where the sources say they are. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 16:36, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

A section for characters with one appearance
On some episodes there have characters have made one appearance like Vince's nerdy brother and that girl who hides in the library. I think that there should be a section for that. Does anyone else think so? Mr. C.C. 18:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Note on elements of unoriginality
I feel that Disney's Recess may have drawn too much content from other famous pieces of media, most notably in their rather heavily laid on amount of spoofs. I can see it from their perspective of wanting to make allusions to other famous or important pieces of popular history in order to make their show more entertaining, but in some cases I have found it to be outright unoriginal. A fine example of this is how I was particularly annoyed at their blatant copy of Stanley Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey in that episode where Principal Prickley has the SAL 3000 unit installed. Most of the dialogue was taken straight from the movie with no new nor orginal thought added to the structure or plot outline. At the time when I viewed this episode I knew enough that it would have been a spoof of 2001, but I had not yet seen the movie. When I eventually did though, I had one of the most pivotal sections of the film ruined because I could exactly anticipate what was going to be said in a whole lot of the dialogue. I could not believe how closely they had stuck to the original story, and frankly it appalled me. Many children would not have seen 2001, so this episode would not act as a spoof to them, it would be a stand-alone story in itself. Perhaps Disney should aim to have understandable spoofs for their younger audiences so that their audience may recognise the parallels being drawn, instead of ruining great pieces of work like 2001 for a younger generation. Sometimes Disney's lack of originality really does disappoint me.


 * I don't see why unoriginality is such a big issue. Most tv series reuse the same plots. In my opinion, Recess was a welcomed change from typical mindless childrens cartoons, and was clever with their humor. Mrkurto 00:43, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * And still, its a good story. So the kids dont get the 'spoof' stuff about it, even though it makes it more funny, its still a good story. And like Mrkurto said, who cares really. There arnt much 'origional' cartoon disney shows anyway, so yeah. Phantasmigorical 01:13, 12 January 2007 (UTC)Phantasmigorical

Article focuses too much on episodes...
Where's the info about the show's production? Abby724 04:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Trivia
Im going to try to edit a trivia section on the article, if anyone has more to add, go for it because i dont have much info. Phantasmigorical 21:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)phantasmigorical


 * Articles are not supposed to include "Trivia" sections. It's common to include the information in an appropriate part of the article. This why all Featured and Good status articles refrain from using the section. Additionally, it's customary to cite facts. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  22:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Spinelli
How do we know that her middle name is Funicello? They never say, "Ashley Funicello Spinelli" in the series. Like we know Gus's name is Gustav Paton Griswald and stuff, but when did they say "Ashley Funicello Spinello?"Happykid536 04:35, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * In the museum episode. Malpass93 (talk) 15:45, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

If I may had; I feel that the name "Funicello" could very well be the MAIDEN name of ‘Spinelli's’ mother, before she got married to the father. user: RubyRedRose22- April/22/2013,10:26 am

Ah, also, 'In one episode, Don't Ask Me, Spinelli demonstrated her usage of Savate, a French Martial Art. Spinelli's mother at one point remarks that Spinelli has a crush on TJ; however, it should be noted that this assertion is never confirmed or even referred to again in the show. Spinelli was voiced by Pamela Segall Adlon. She also has a crush on T.J which is very easy to see in some episdoes.' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.134.25.26 (talk) 05:03, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

DVDs??
I've been trying for some time to locate information on DVD releases of Disney's cartoons. Not the movies, but the series. Recess is one of several cartoons I can't seem to find info on. Darkwing Duck is on DVD now; Rescue Rangers will be soon; Gargoyles has apparently had some trouble relating to low sales. I can't find info on Aladdin or Recess, which are two of my favorite series. Does anyone have info on Disney's plans (or lack of plans) to release these two series on DVD? Kilyle 13:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * There's a petition but I don't know that anything is happening yet. I know a lot of people who would buy it.71.35.252.65 03:15, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

The Cancellation article
It says all this stuff about how people started to get uninterested in it, so they canceled it, but it never mentions the amount of people who didn't like the cancellation. It seems to make it seem like nobody liked it anymore and everyone lost interest in it, when that is very wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Minor Characters
I noticed the 'Other Characters' is a very hit-and-miss section.

It has most of the main characters, but leaves out a very large amount of characters (ex. The Gang's parents).

We should either:

a) Remove the section entierly

OR

b) Drastically expand it to include all the characters listed under the 'Minor Cast' section.

I am going with B.

Here is a list of characters still needed to have a mini-bio created


 * Cornchip Girl
 * Guru Kid
 * Tubby
 * Hank
 * Mr. Kelso
 * Butch
 * Lunchlady
 * Superintendent Skinner
 * Jerome
 * Mayor Fitzhugh
 * Jordan
 * Bus Driver
 * Kurst the Worst
 * Thadeus T. Third V
 * Coach
 * Other Bullies
 * Bonky

Donnyj (talk) 00:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Donnyj

What is the opening song (march)?
My band was trying to find a march to do for a music festival and someone brought up the march song from Recess. Does anyone know what it is called or where I could find it?68.182.128.133 (talk) 15:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

No New Episodes
Theres no new season for recess there is no season 7 8 or 9 and i live in the uk there is no promo on it shouldent it be removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.221.194 (talk) 21:53, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Nationalities
What's with the emphasis on the the nationalities of the characters? How can we know Ms. Finster is Irish-American, or that King Bob is Dutch-American?

Woeisme524 (talk) 02:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I know this is 9 years on but i was wondering the same. 82.17.190.1 (talk) 00:34, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Hogans heroes ref?
I saw the beginning of this once, and is it me, or are they spoofing hogans heroes? And if so, is that noteworthy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.53.45.215 (talk) 04:12, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

The similarities between the opening themes appear to be noteworthy,

as well as the theme of a small group attampting to outwit authority. It seems to be worth noting to me, except that there is no factual evidence unless you can find an article or interview.

24.151.153.90 (talk) 08:56, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree, not just the theme is similar, the RECESS tune seems to be based on the Hoghan's Heroes opening tune. In addition, there have been a number of direct refrences in several episodes. My proposal would be to add a reference to Hogan's Heroes in the Premise paragraph, next to referencing The Great Escape. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.60.189.221 (talk) 07:41, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Merge proposal
I propose to merge Recess: All Growed Down, Recess: Taking the Fifth Grade and Recess Christmas: Miracle on Third Street into Recess (TV series). I don't think the direct-to-home films have enough notability on their own to warrant their own article, per WP:NFILM and the information would be better served in the main TV series article. Z1720 (talk) 01:48, 19 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Support as per WP:JUSTPLOT. And only the third one even has any sourcing. None of these look to be notable enough for standalone articles. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:55, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Support as per WP:JUSTPLOT. Donaldd23 (talk) 14:41, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

'Commodore' Finster
The article currently says that Miss Finster 'was a Navy commodore in the 1950s.' There are a number of problems here. For one thing, as with the claim that the show takes place in Little Rock, Arkansas, which I've also posted about here, it is not substantiated by anything in the show itself: it is merely implied that she used to 'entertain the troops' with the USO or some in-universe equivalent. And unlike the Arkansas claim, whoever put this in didn't put in any citations, so if they have any reason at all for thinking this is true, they are not making an argument for it. Furthermore, the link with 'Navy commodore' leads to the article on commodores in the British navy, rather than the 'Commodore (United States)' article that would be more relevant. Speaking of which, here is the entire section from that article on 'WWII and the Cold War,' the era that the claim is made for:

''During the huge expansion of the U.S. Navy during World War II, the Department of the Navy was concerned that the appointment of more flag officers would create a glut of admirals whenever peacetime was achieved. However, some Navy and Coast Guard captains, although not yet selected for rear admiral (lower half), were holding commands of significantly higher responsibility than they had earlier and this needed to be recognized. The COMINCH of the U.S. Navy and Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral (later Fleet Admiral) Ernest J. King, proposed bringing back the older rank of "commodore" for these officers. President Franklin D. Roosevelt agreed, making the suggestion that the title be revived.[9]

''As a result, the one-star officer rank for the U.S. Navy and the U.S. Coast Guard was re-established in April 1943 with the title of "commodore". In actual practice, some officers on admiral's staffs were also promoted to the rank of commodore. By the end of the War in the Pacific in August 1945, there were over 100 commodores in the U.S. Navy and U.S. Coast Guard. With respect to the U.S. Coast Guard, it should be understood that during World War II, the much-expanded Coast Guard was transferred from the Department of the Treasury to the Department of the Navy and was involved in combat operations in both anti-submarine warfare and amphibious warfare, thousands of miles away from home, and not just in its usual role of defending the coasts of the United States, detaining smugglers, lifesaving, and search and rescue operations.

''After World War II, and with the rapid drawdown in size of both the Navy and the Coast Guard, very few of the wartime commodores were ever promoted to rear admiral. All promotions to commodore ceased in 1947, and nearly all of the commodores who had held the one-star rank had either been promoted to rear admiral or had retired from the Navy by 1950. According to the 1949 edition of the Official Register of Commissioned Officers of the United States Navy, updated to January 1st, 1949, the last two commodores on active duty were Tully Shelley (b. 1892) and Antoine O. Rabideau (b. 1884).[10] Shelley retired in July 1949 and was promoted on retirement to rear admiral retroactive to April 3, 1945.[11] Rabideau apparently died sometime in 1970, and his headstone show him to have held the rank of Rear Admiral.[12] However, as the Cold War evolved, the Navy began to rebound from its immediate post-World War II reductions. This expanding Navy saw growth in several mission areas, and the reintroduction and designation of senior captains in command of units comprising multiple ships (e.g., "flotillas"), multiple aviation squadrons or other similar organizations became increasingly commonplace, leading to increased use of the title of commodore for those senior captains occupying these highly responsible positions.

So in other words, the article is claiming that Miss Finster is a retired flag officer, which is not preposterous, given the often over-the-top nature of the show's humor, but very improbable in the absence evidence, and I'm inclined to wonder if the original poster, perhaps, meant to say something completely different.

As with the Arkansas thing, I'm inclined to just go in and remove it, if nobody has any specific objections or input to offer. King Gus (talk) 00:46, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Little Rock, Arkansas?
King Gus (talk) 20:58, 12 March 2022 (UTC)== Little Rock, Arkansas? ==

Claiming that the show takes place in Arkansas, much less specifically in Little Rock, is a bit odd. At no point in the series is a specific location ever mentioned. There are two notes given. One of them links to a Google Book that, even when it had a given excerpt, said nothing about the show's location, and the other references the episode 'My Fair Gretchen,' with no given context. I assume the note is alluding to the 'Arkansas Standard Achievement Test' mentioned in that episode, but the 'Arkansas Standard Achievement Test' is presumably a riff on the real-life California Achievement Test, which is historically used in schools all over the country. Beyond this, there doesn't seem to be any evidence whatsoever for an Arkansas-based location: at best, this is a fan theory, and certainly does not merit being confidently put forward as a statement of fact. And, under the best of circumstances, any speculation about the show's setting is irrelevant when it's clearly going for a sort of 'Anytown, USA' thing. My inclination is to simply remove the statement (and the link to the 'TV shows set in Arkansas' category) unless someone can come up with more solid evidence. King Gus (talk) 18:59, 26 March 2022 (UTC)