Talk:Red Hot Chili Peppers/Archive 5

Idea
They should release a collection of B-Sides. They have some good ones.

They should release the songs that never made it on the final 28 of Stadium Arcdium, in a new album, because I would buy that

Musical style
I have made some little updates on the Musical style part. I added some information on the drummers' styles and added the "Improvisation" section. If someone could add link to the words I used it would be nice. I don't know how to do it. The Chicken 01:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Somebody removed it. I put it back. I have footage of the improvisations and on Anthony's book he says about the improvised early performances. That should be enough as a source. The Chicken 01:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

England
i know this is totally uneccessary but all english chili fans tune into later with jools holland, DECEMBER 1ST, 11.35PM because they will be there ! plus thye played a gig on london which i missed :( (see xfm.co.uk it was at the roundhouse on 22/11/06)

I see...
I am seeing many people complaining about the horrible nature this article is in. I am going to be committed to working on making it a more hospitable place to read information, because, apparently, it isn't sufficient. As a major Red Hot Chili Peppers fan, I will lend my knowledge to this article in as many ways as I can, but I ask for your help and willingness to aid my cause, instead of a "This forum is wreck but I won't lift a finger" attitude. I have already (within the past month) added quite a bit of my knowledge here, but according to most it isn't enough. I agree it needs work, and I'm willing to step up to the plate, unlike most of you. Again, your help would be an added bonus and relief.

Some needed accomplishments I intend to complete:


 * Entirely re-writing the intro. It is atrocious and needs immediate work.


 * Adding a segment entitled "Origins". I believe this has been a necessity from day one, and the information under "1980s: EMI Records" is simply too sparse to gain any knowledge off of.


 * Re-doing the "1980s" section.


 * Installing a mini-bio of each past and present member, which has been required for quite some time.


 * Cleaning up the "2000-Onwards" section.


 * Cleaning up the "1990s: Warner Bros. Records"


 * Adding a section which pays homage to their live performances.

Any other suggestions and or ideas are appreciated. User:NSR77 02:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

As you are probably aware, people are commenting on how much improvement this article needs. I think we should write a checklist of things that need improving and cross each suggestion out as they are sorted out. I have started the list based on comments below. Add items to the list as you see fit. ( Davehard 12:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC) ).

Checklist for article improvement

 * 1) Article needs restructuring - Edit here to suggest how this can be achieved

This article is a shambles.
This article is a boring mess of information and its badly structured. Infact I think the majority of people involved in compiling it should just give up and go and get a new hobby. When will we see something interesting in this article? Hell, i'd help out myself, but its more of a power struggle than an effort to create an informative and interesting RHCP article.

172.203.187.35 21:14, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I've taken a copy of the article over to my sandbox and i will work on it to the best of my ability, i have the autobiography of anthony kiedis and many MTV articles as refs so give me some time and i will have hopefully made a better version, I m gonna totally rewrite it. Ch ild zy ( Talk 21:54, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

This is possibly one of worst band article on Wikipedia
I should rewrite the whole thing. I haven't done so since March. Paralleluniverse 12:49, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh if someone's going to beat me to it, look for inspiration from the Sly and The Family Stone article.
 * What you on about? Surely its a bit of an exaggeration to say its one of the worst band articles on wikipedia?? ( Davehard 12:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC) )
 * No, its not an exaggeration at all. Hence the constant criticism of how rubbish it actually is. 172.142.124.127 16:57, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * This is a wiki, if you have a problem with an article then click edit, instead of attacking the article Ch ild zy  ( Talk 19:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Constant criticism proves nothing; Ann Coulter has proven very little in her career... If you think it's broken, Mr. Stadium Arcadium, then you can step up and contribute. -- Xinit 23:18, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have no desire to be a part of something where people like you dwell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.142.124.127 (talk • contribs) 13:34
 * That's a thought that makes me very happy... now if only that whining noise would stop. -- Xinit 21:23, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Fact check
As shown by this dif, the amount of songs created with the intention to a part of 3 mini-albums was recently changed to 28 (I thought it was changed to 38, accidentally misclicked some diffs and reverted incorrectly twice). A citation for this information would be helpful to assert the information that the number is indeed 38. Thanks. Cowman109 Talk 15:29, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Stadium Arcadium reception
"In 2006, they completed their ninth studio album, Stadium Arcadium. Although 38 songs were created with the intention to be released as 3 mini-albums spaced six months apart [5]it was released, to mixed reviews, in May 2006 as a 28-track double album."

No --Macarion 23:26, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Mediation active?
Is this dispute still active? --Ideogram 05:55, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * There has been little response to my compromise offer, so it appears things have simply died down with people content with there being no links to fansites. I'll close the case and keep this page on my watchlist. Cowman109 Talk 15:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Another rewrite?
I recently reverted the edits by User:Concerned conservative as it appears no sources were given for the mass rewrite of the article with much added information in a short amount of time, thus leaving all of it unverifiable. Also, the information read very much like a copy-and paste job (no offense), so it is possibly a copyvio. I reverted it for now so Concerned conservative can respond at the talk page first, as the lack of edit summaries threw me off a bit, too. Thanks. Cowman109 Talk 15:09, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * It Does. The problem is the main contributers to this article dont appear to get on very well, just read the comments on this page Ch ild zy  ( Talk 15:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Well the above discussions were only concerning fansite links, really - nothing too serious :) Cowman109 Talk 15:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Mediation inactive
Since the mediation has ended, I've moved the relevant discusson to Archive 4. -- Xinit 23:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

their genre
please let's agree definitively for writing the genre RHCP play. User:Egr (User talk:Egr), 28/7/2006


 * They were punk then punk rock, they are also standard rock and a bit of alt. rock, so the only way to adress this is by calling them alt. rock and adding a small para at the start explaing the changes, similar to the Evanescence article, i find it works well like that. Ch ild zy  ( Talk 17:19, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Rapcore? I think that's a horrible way to describe their music style. It's not accurate.

69.234.141.9 00:19, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No. Their first five albums feature also rap-influenced vocals. -- User:Egr (User talk:Egr), 10/7/2006


 * The Funk influence throughout is tremendously important (the first albums were more of a funk-punk attempt, Californication and By the way had the funk more as a background sound with a more apparent alt rock focus, and Stadium Arcadium shows an increase in the return to the funky roots). -- Anonymous


 * And rap-style vocals where the h**l are in your comment? --Egr 12:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

TV and film
Anthony Kiedis was also in Point Break Roxormusic 19:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

And one month later...
It's still trash. What in the hell is the point of making notes about them being in TV in film? That should go on the articles profiling the band members, not the main band article. Paralleluniverse 12:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the  link at the top. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. :) Cowman109 Talk 17:51, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I've just started doing grammar and syntax clean-ups for now. I'll think about a wider restructure. MKV 00:41, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

The paragraph under "1980's, EMI Records" that begins "During the supporting tour, drug problems"...
...is far from the standard of grammar and syntax set by the rest of the article. It seems to contain a great deal of editorializing ("his soulmate"), informal phrasing ("again down in the mess"), isn't cited, and just plain lacks the flow and professional "sound" one would expect from an encyclopedia article. I lack sufficient knowledge of this period of RHCP history to change it. Thanks. Dminutive 01:42, 09 September 2006 (UTC)

Pop Rock?
Though some of their songs have been ballads. Most notably By The Way. I wouldn't consider it a primary genre. Dwnsjane2 06:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

yes..but from 2000 at now they are considerate a MTV rock band..with a lot of pop sound and target..plus if we don't write Pop rock in primary genre we have funk metal, rap core and alt rock(please seems Rage Against The Machine) and this 3 genre aren't the primary genre of last 2 albums.. By The Way is a tipical Pop Rock album with funk influences in some song.


 * They've been an MTV rock band since their mainstream breakthrough awhile back. They have ALWAYS have had a pop accesible sound. Hence the millions of albums they have sold. In my opinion, just because their sound is not as funk oriented as it once was doesn't make them a "pop rock" band. Yes I suppose putting Funk Metal, Rapcore, and alternative makes them sound more heavy than they really are. Though you must admit that "pop rock" would imply they are a band in the vein of Good Charlotte, Fall Out Boy, Green Day etc. Which even their newer material is not. Funk Metal could be changed to Funk Rock. Would that make them sound less "extreme" or whatever? Dwnsjane2 16:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Pop Rock is not only teen-oriented band like Good Charlotte&co...pop rock are also coldplay,u2,and some other big mainstream rock band..now they do a lot of mellow and mid-tempo song..for me now the term "pop rock" is good for define their sound.. yes not only pop rock but associated with funk rock and others.. Don't change Funk Metal with funk rock...they don't play metal, but they are one of the fathers of the musical way called "funk metal".

yes but their last 2 album (maybe 3) contains a lot of pop rock song of ballads, of midtempo, of melodic voice..2/3 albums of total of 9 is enought for me.. if we want delete pop rock for me is not a problem but i think that is can be right
 * What do The Red Hot Chili Peppers have in common with Coldplay? Besides the fact that some of their songs have slower. Yes. I understand By The Way was a pop-rock album. In my opinion, one album and several songs throughout their nine album career doesn't really constitute it being added it a primary (I listed pop as an influence) genre. Dwnsjane2 22:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I think most of you have to realize that pop rock does not necessarily constitute a slow, more melodic sound. Pop rock is mainly an adjective used to describe rock that is commercially acessible, normally safe in terms of lyrical content, and normally has stripped down song structure and composition. That is a fair assessment to have for albums such as Californication (album)(Californication, By The Way, and Stadium Arcadium. As a genre? That's possibly a fair assessment also to put them in that genre. It would not be pejorative at all. Paralleluniverse 00:07, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * "has stripped down song structure and composition" that's a pretty big flag flying up that RHCP should not be considered pop rock because even their biggest haters admit that they have some of the best musical talent in the world. John Frusciante is heavily regarded as one of the top guitarists in the world, if not the top, and even his singing is regarded as highly overlooked and underappreciated. Flea is the same for the bass and has been invited into many classical ensembles like the Boston Pops for his skill with the trumpet. Chad Smith has literally earned the moniker of the "go-to drummer" in Hollywood because he can do anything and wants to at that. Anthony's singing may be just average, but his song-writing ability is amazing at capturing feelings, moments, mindsets, et cetera. Even a random poem at the end of the song sets the stage for someone's uncurable sadness. Seriously, stripped down in structure and composition? That's a joke and to me, there are a bunch of pop rock songs from RHCP dating back to even their 1980s work. But people what people don't understand is that RHCP is commercially successfull because they don't stick to one genre. With the exception of By The Way, they have done it all. If you look at the extended recordings of Californication, they did rap, funk, pop, metal, punk, pyschedelic, and even traces of disco, folk, and classic rock. They do it all. You can't call RHCP a pop band anymore than you can call them a hard rock band. They do everything and just because they did an album full of pop songs doesn't mean it's "stripped down in song structure and composition." That statement is just ignorant. Just because it's pop doesn't mean it's musically inferior and nine times out of ten, a song you hear from someone like Britney Spears will have more musical skill behind the composition then something composed by Metallica. The difference is that a pop song is a heavily layered composition that all points in one direction: the singing and lyrics. A traditional rock song splits the focus between the guitar and singer and then either the drums or the bass. In pop songs though, the composition is normally pointing to someone that most hardcore music fans despise like your Justin Timberlakes and Britney Spears because they don't write their own material and are just there because of their looks. And that's perfectly okay and fine, but it doesn't mean that pop rock on a whole is musically inferior. To end up this rant, RHCP is not one genre and they have NEVER been one genre and they certainly will not be one genre as long as they have Frusciante in it...just listen to his solo stuff to understand that. Plus, I suggest the person who uttered such a completely moronic statement take a look at the actual compositions of a pop song compared to whatever rock band you idolize. It's a lot easier to make up a song using four instruments (vocals, drums, guitar, and bass) then it is to make a song that features synthesizers, vocals, back-up vocals, keyboards, bass, guitar, drums, et cetera. 00:05, 4 October 2006


 * "It would not be pejorative at all." - when I said that, that means that there is nothing wrong nor inferior with the current work of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. I pretty much played devil's advocate. Paralleluniverse 07:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hard Rock would probaly be more accurate than pop rock. Dwnsjane2 05:46, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * And another note - The Red Hot Chili Peppers have done metal. Albums such as The Uplift Mofo Party Plan, Mother's Milk, and One Hot Minute feature a metal sound, even though the metal influences are combined with aspects of funk rhythms, punk speed, and psychedelic rock melodies. Paralleluniverse 00:07, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * With that defintion of the genre. Pop-rock could basicially be used to describe any mainstream rock band. Because in order to have mainstream sucess, you have to have a pretty decent amount of accessibility. Dwnsjane2 16:06, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

It seems weird calling them Rock, and then Alternative Rock as well. I think we should just have "Alternative Rock", "Hard Rock" and "Funk Rock" on the genres list. Rapcore is a stupid defintion. Yeah, AK used to rap, but that's all part of the funk. I wouldnt really call them a funk metal band either. Mother's Milk and One Hot Minute were the most metallic of the RHCP albums, but those albums could just as easily be called hard rock. Alt rock covers a lot of different genres, so their latter soft rock side would be covered by that.


 * yes i agree at the first point, i think that we can write only "Alternative Rock" and delete "rock".

for the rest..NO: "hard rock" is a stupid definition for chili peppers, they never played it..Rapcore for me culd be right,chili peppers first albums was full of rap/rock song also without funk (fight like a brave for example..where is funk here?),a lot of funk rock band don't use rap as voice and they are always mentioned in rap-rock,rap-core,rap-metal articles.. for "funk metal", they never played metal for sure (OHM was near in some point..but Mother's milk was more punk..and UPPM was more metallic than mothers milk for sure) but FUNK METAL was the movement,a musical scene of late '80 that include a lot of styles and band (ska and reggae for fishbone for example), chili peppers was more "rapfunkpunkrock" but they was with fishbone and Faith no More the biggest act of "funk metal" scene, so "funk metal" must be write. Looking the genre for me is right also write Funkcore..they have always talked about a mix of hardcore and funk at the begin of their career so as music definition "funkcore" is a good description of their early music.zagozagozago 10:10, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

ITunes Originals and Rarities
I was wondering two things:

1) Should a new page or entry be made for their iTunes Originals?

2) Should a page, or entry, be made to list and discuss the rarities that RHCP have had over the years? I think it would be a good place to put down all of the B-sides and all in one convenient place for fans to know how to get them. Also, it could help to separate what the real RHCP rarities are compared to some songs that have been thought to be rarities but are shown to be not by RHCP?

Rolmo 01:15, 26 September 2006 (UTC) rolmo 09/25/06


 * I think that documentating the fact that they released material specifically to be downloaded through itunes is good to include, if the wording for the section is more than a few sentences, then yes it can be mnade into its own page.
 * Regarding listing rareties, i don't think it is necessary to do so here. It will probably just lead to a lot of debate over something which is not really encyclopedic in the first place. Perhaps you can write a section discussing the amout of rarities/b-sides that are available and the fact that people often confuse certin things as being RHCP when they are not. --Mattarata 01:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Mel C
I have removed the reference to Mel C. I have never before heard that kiedis dated Mel C and after a quick google have only found unreliable references for it. There has also been a similar line removed from Kiedis's own article and there is no men tion of it in Mel C's own article (and if she went out with him she'd have wanted everyone to know, kiedis can do a lot better)

I also happen to know that the woman referenced in the song is my best friend's mum's exboyfriend's ex wife's stepsister. May sound quite far but the exboyfriend was the one who told me, if this had been Mel C I am sure I would have known. --87.194.30.164 18:37, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Quote from Seemingly relaible.

Mel C: "Yes, I did go for dinner with Anthony Kiedis, after we met in LA, but there's no romance."

Dani California
"In the songs Dani California, By the Way, and Californication a character named Dani California is mentioned."

There's no mention of Dani California in Californication. I'm deleting the reference.

Though she is not mentioned explicitly, I remember seeing once that she was the "Teenage bride with a baby inside / getting high on information." I don't have a source for this, but maybe someone else out there does. ColbeagleTheEagle 21:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Anthony talks about Dani in Californication during the interview in the limited edition stadium arcadium dvd. the info above is correct from the eagle


 * There is an article at Dani (Red Hot Chili Peppers) that has a bit of a backup, but could use more. -- Xinit 21:20, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

"Teenage bride with a baby inside" is the reference to Dani California in Californication. Anthony Kiedis admitted this himself on the DVD that comes with the box set of the new album.

Hi, new poster here

2 things - first, if you read scar tissue you'll see that anthony took mel c to get some new tatoos when she was in L.A. the first time.

second, in the special edition Stadium Arcadium, on the bonus dvd, Anthony talks about how dani california is the "teenage bride with a baby inside"

I'm a bit pressed for time now, but I'll try read more of the article and these posts to see if I can add anything else that may be useful.

165.146.103.35 18:58, 29 October 2006 (UTC)AgA 29/10/2006

rapcore or not?
I wonder why most users continue to remove "rapcore" from their genre list. -- Egr ( talk ), 10/19/2006


 * The Chili Peppers are in no way rapcore. Their style is anything but, in fact. Even their older material, while heavier, was not obtrusive enough to be labeled "rapcore". -- NSR77, 10/21/2006


 * "in no way"??? Some of their songs clearly have rapping or rap-style vocalizations. Crumbsucker 06:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * There needs to be a discussion on this. I understand that there are differing opinions out there amongst the writers of this article. That's fine; it just doesn't matter here. If they're not rapcore, find an article that says so. If they are rapcore, find an article that says so. In either case, we obviously need a citation, due to this debate. ColbeagleTheEagle 16:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Having rapping in a song doesn't make you rapcore. You could just as well simply put rap, because that, is, in fact, what it is. Stratpod 19:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

"Themes"
Though I agree with a majority of the themes, none of them have any sources behind them. Surely there is some information out there in a bio. I'll get looking on it, but I'm not very good at finding what I need on the interweb. The one in particular that needs a source is the one about "Snow ((Hey Oh))". In the past two days, it's flipped back and forth between starting afresh and cocaine. ColbeagleTheEagle 21:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed; have already started fixing up the section somewhat, and have edited a few of the themes presented. I'll be removing the Public Enemy references shortly as well; I think that any similarities between Public Enemy and the Power of Equality lyrics are subjective rather than objective in nature, and while the lyrics do list the words 'my public enemy', I'm not entirely certain if RHCP is actually referring to the band in question; it could be a figure of speech. As for the Snow song, I heard from some forums that Kiedis was interviewed about it in a magazine somewhere; I'll try to find the link to the actual interview, if it exists. Mirshariff 08:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Kiedis was referring to the band in question. The lyrics are "I got my tapes / I got CDs / I got my Public Enemy". Paralleluniverse 19:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Intro
Though a good intro for this article (in my eyes), it seems to use a lot of non-NPOV words. I think it's almost universally accepted that "Californication" was a great album, but calling "By The Way" audacious and saying "Blood Sugar Sex Magik" gave people their first "blatant" taste of the Red Hots seems a bit off to me for an encyclopedic article. Any thoughts on this? I'm not opposed to using words with positive connotations, as long as they're somehow cited with a critic's review. ColbeagleTheEagle 22:06, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * True. The intro should be basically introducing the band, who is in the band, an overview of the band's sound and work as a whole. No positive or negative connotations, just straightforward talking about the Red Hot Chili Peppers. This is an encylopedia. It should give information about the Red Hot Chili Peppers that is relevant and to the point. But in reality, to expect this article about the most air played band in the world right now to be scholarly is an absolute dream. The best band article on here is probably the article for Sly and the Family Stone. Paralleluniverse 19:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Former touring backing musicians

 * Keith "Tree" Barry – saxophone (1987–90)
 * Rain Phoenix – backing vocals (1995–96)
 * Rob Rule – backing vocals, guitar (1995–96)
 * Acacia Ludwig – backing vocals (1995–96)
 * Rene Molina - Drums (1989-2006)
 * Chris Brennen - Backing bass (2003-2006)

Some of the above seem very dodgy, especially the last two of which i'm going to remove. I'll request citation on the other ones. --LeakeyJee 06:18, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

list of places in songs etc.
Isn't this ridiculous? Do we really need a list like this? I don't think someone looking for information on the band is going to find that especially useful, so I'm going to remove it. --LeakeyJee 06:22, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know how it lasted as long as it did; if I had checked the article prior to today, I would've removed it in a heartbeat. ColbeagleTheEagle 16:55, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Apparently, many of you have judged that the "List of Places" list is relevant to the article. That's fine; Wikipedia is a place of public consensus. However, it does make the article quite a bit longer and it doesn't seem to have lists like it in other articles. If that sounds odd, my point is that other band articles don't have lists of "Places listed in songs" or the like. Personally, I don't see a need for it in the article; however, I'll leave it up to the masses instead of constantly reverting it, which may lead to anger. Regards, ColbeagleTheEagle 20:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

what are you talking about? I already removed that list! --LeakeyJee 12:17, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

You removed it, then it was added again. I think I might have removed it once afterwards, but it was added shortly thereafter, hence the comment above. As of this writing, it's out of the article. Regards, ColbeagleTheEagle 15:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

World Record?
I remember reading the article around a month ago about RHCP holding a record for having a single for the longest time at No. 1 (72 weeks). Is this true? And if it is can someone tell me what song it is?

I can sort of believe they would have a single at #1 for a very long time, but 72 weeks is just excessive: that's almost a year and a half. However, if it actually did last that long, my guess would be Scar Tissue, since they won a Grammy for it. ColbeagleTheEagle 18:10, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Oops, scratch that. I just checked the "Scar Tissue" article. From the article: The song stayed at number 1 on the Billboard Modern Rock Tracks for 16 weeks, which ties "It's Been Awhile" by Staind and "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" by Green Day as the longest stay at #1 ever... Seems to me like they have a tie. Depending on the release of "Scar Tissue" versus "It's Been Awhile", they might have had the record first, though. ColbeagleTheEagle 18:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah. Scar Tissue was out before It's Been Awhile. so they would have held the record first. Dwnsjane2 03:33, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Removed from article...

 * Chad Smith, starting on the album Mother's Milk, creates rhythmic pocket grooves. He is most notably known for his extensive use of ghost notes and his ability to put his feeling into the drumset. Smith's work has been featured on many albums outside of the Chili Peppers', a testament to his skill. His cymbals are loud and expressive, which definitely contribute to the Red Hot Chili Peppers' sound.


 * Very POV, no references.


 * The song "Johnny Kick a Hole in the Sky" from Mother's Milk is about the plight and affliction of the Native Americans, and this particular song made the public see Kiedis as of native-American heritage, "I was born in a land, I don't think you understand god damn what I am. I'm a native of this place, Please don't kick me in my face, My race has been disgraced."


 * The song "Green Heaven" from the band's eponymous album reflects dissatisfaction with the government regarding its methods in dealing with social and political problems.


 * The song "The Power of Equality" from the album Blood Sugar Sex Magik is interpreted as a protest against racism and inequality, notably in America.


 * "Californication" is critical of Hollywood's perceived superficiality.


 * Drugs are a common theme in several of the band's songs, including "This Is the Place", "Dosed" and "Don't Forget Me", from the album By the Way. "Under the Bridge", from the album Blood Sugar Sex Magik, deals with Anthony Kiedis' personal experiences with drug addiction, whilst the song "Warped" from One Hot Minute is about a relapse Kiedis had following a potent dose of anaesthetic.


 * The character of Dani is mentioned in the songs "Dani California", "By the Way", and "Scar Tissue". Kiedis has explained that this character embodies all the women from his past relationships. Anthony also says that Dani is mentioned in Californication when he sings 'a teenage bride with a baby inside'.


 * The song "Snow ((Hey Oh))" from Stadium Arcadium, refers to the metaphor of covering one's tracks and starting fresh with a clean slate, which Kiedis states in the album commentary of the special edition of Stadium Arcadium. It does not refer to cocaine abuse.


 * This was not written in prose, not referenced and not written very well at all. I've re-written the section a little using ideas from this list and adding some more stuff.   Gromr  e  aper  (Talk) / (Cont)  13:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

reading over this..
i rekon some people are getting a little to critical about the whole thing and i believe u needa take a second and think about how protective u are about the whole thing. john

-- reading over this, i think the introduction is actually atrocious

previously it had stated exactly how the chili peppers [were believed] to had been formed - not just "they were expected to perform just one time, and then ended up hitting it big."

too critical?

this article used to be amazing. it had tons of detail and it was just ... amazing. i would do something myself, but i dont know where to find the credible sources to tag correct information, so i hope someone more knowledgeable than i will be able to succeed in doing so -abysmalpoptart

album
What's the newest album of them? Pooter-the-clown 19:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Stadium Arcadium WereWolf 17:55, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Improvisation
Personally, I think that the "Improvisation" entry to this article was noteworthy and could have remained in. I've seen footage ("Live at Slaine Castle") where the beginning of the concert is, in fact, an intro. Whether or not this is improvised cannot be known, but I do know that the intro differs from concert to concert, after comparing the aforementioned example and the first song of "Live in Hyde Park". Any thoughts? ColbeagleTheEagle 23:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

They ARE improvised, you can be sure of that...I will put that back.The Chicken 00:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Nothing about socks?
Someone more knowledgeable than me should add a section on their notorious "sock man" routine. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.70.143.93 (talk) 23:26, 17 December 2006 (UTC).

Contradictory much?
In the section titled "breakthrough success" it reads,

"At the time of the album recording, Kiedis had gone back to using heroin, causing much tension amongst the band."

But the wikipedia article for Aeroplane says,

"vocalist Anthony Kiedis' autobiography Scar Tissue...says that several songs on One Hot Minute including "Aeroplane" and "Warped", were written about his relapse following five and a half years of being clean from heroin. He kept his drug use a secret, surprised that no one close to him picked up on it as a result of his lyrics."

So, did the band know or not?

Anthony's book is always right. It's the best source about the band ever.The Chicken 00:45, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Anthony was clean for BSSM recording, not for One Hot Minute

Singles
The singles off of Stadium Arcadium are: Am I correct on this? I know they might not be in order, but I was just wondering. WereWolf 17:54, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) "Dani California"
 * 2) "Tell Me Baby"
 * 3) "Snow ((Hey Oh))"
 * 4) "Hump de Bump" (US Only)
 * 5) "Storm in a Teacup"
 * 6) "Stadium Arcadium"
 * 7) "Desecration Smile"

I am almost certain that Storm in a Teacup is not a single, as Kiedis took exception to the rapped vocals, feeling tha they don't reflect his current style, but I don't have a source for that, unfortunately...

Instrumentation / Lyrical themes
There seems to be overlap and contradiction in these two sections:

All backup vocals are currently provided by John Frusciante, both live and in the studio.

''While Kiedis is the lead vocalist for the band, Flea provided lead vocals for "Pea" and "Deep Kick" from One Hot Minute. Frusciante often contributes backing vocals.''

Flea did provide lead vocals on the songs referenced, and while Frusciante is the primary backing vocalist Flea has contributed backing vocals both live and in studio (example: Scar Tissue, Charlie, Me and My Friends). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.176.188.201 (talk) 18:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC).

I think that Scar Tissue is all Frusciante, Flea is just live...Charlie is Anthony for sure on the studiom but Flea surely did some contributions on backing vocals and must be considered. The Chicken 16:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Flea can also be seen recording backing vocals to tracks on BSSM in the Funky Monks dvd.

And he certainly does vocals for Charlie liveStratpod 20:02, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Fair use images
I think that the album cover images are only fair use in the album articles. Sorry, but I don't think we can have them here. --Guinnog 03:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * You know, we seem to have some unsorted images of the band at Commons. Someone should go through them and see if any are good for the article.  Jkelly 04:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Pop Rock
for the users that continue delete Pop Rock from their genres the case are two: - u haven't musical culture - u never listened By The Way album and a lot of Stadium Arcadium material. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zagozagozago (talk • contribs)
 * Uhm, what about the heavier songs on Stadium Arcadium? "Dani California", "She's Only 18", "Hump de Bump", "Death of a Martian", "Charlie", and "Storm in a Teacup" are not pop punk songs. Just because some songs in an album has a little bit of a mix in genre doesn't mean that the whole album is. e.g. Warning: by Green Day. WereWolf 14:11, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * -Who talket about punkpop? chili never do punk pop, i talket about pop rock.
 * chili had a 22 years of career and in last 6 they become a rock/pop band, they continue to joke with pseudofunk, with hardrock and with some other styles but in general By The Way is a pop rock album and a good 1/2 of Stadium Arcadium songs can be described with "pop rock".
 * i know is only 6/22 years but in this 6/22 years they aren't a funkmetal band, they aren't alternative, they aren't raprock.
 * i choice could be write Alternative Pop Rock instead of Alternative Rock.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zagozagozago (talk • contribs)


 * It's good that you have started a discussion about this, it would be nice if you could get a solution here before editing more in the article about genres. What you two are doing right now is a real editing war. Zagozagozago, comments like "u haven't musical culture" might be considered as a personal attack, please be kind and stop writing such comments. My humble opinion in this matter is that RHCP have entered the genre of Pop rock with their two latest albums By The Way and Stadium Arcadium, although I won't write it in the article since it most likely will be reverted. Yours sincerely Tooga 17:09, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It is not for us to decide in which genre RHCP's music should be classified. This categorization by wikipedians is against WP:NOR. Any genre may be listed if it is backed up by multiple good sources and properly cited. --Mattarata 17:14, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I can't seem to find the exact guideline now, but I remember reading something somewhere on Wikipedia's Help or Manual of Style pages (or possibly WikiProject Music) some recommendations on whether it's better to be vague or specific when listing genres in artists' userboxes; it'd be useful to look for them. Regarding User:Mattarata's comment on citations, let's take a look at the genres and sub-genres listed on their allmusic.com profile (I see that several of these are already mentioned in the infobox with a reference to just that page):


 * Rock
 * Alternative Pop/Rock
 * Funk Metal
 * College Rock
 * Adult Alternative Pop/Rock
 * Rap-Rock

And, if anyone's interested, a few months ago the single "Snow ((Hey Oh))" was being played to death on Terry Wogan's BBC Radio 2 show. If that's not "pop", I don't know what is! :) -- Nick RTalk 17:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think the RHCP can be classified into one genre. They should have their own genre. Or on the infobox, just put "Rock" or something like that and then explain the combination of genres in the article. If anyone has any info about them saying what genre they are, I really want to know. Jedi feline 11:05, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Drummers
This section lacks any reference to their drummers (Irons, Martinez, Smith). --Chargin&#39; Chuck 20:21, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Profile Image
why is an image from By The Way era?? the fact that for me by the way era is their weakest is unless but for me is more right or put a new image (2006-2007) or one of their bigger quality&success era (BSSM&californication)
 * for me by the way era is their weakest
 * For you, maybe - I happen to disagree. :) It should be a fairly recent image, though; I think most articles on long-running current bands (e.g. R.E.M. (band) and U2) use fairly recent images rather than ones from nearer the start of their careers, so I've no problem with the date that the image depicts. The problem is the image itself - it's a copyrighted image, but it has no Fair use rationale. It would be preferable to replace it with a public domain image (such as a concert photograph taken by a fan, as in those other two band articles). -- Nick RTalk 10:24, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with Nick R. I wholeheartedly disagree with your saying BTW is their weakest album (quite the contrary), but, consequently, don't go running around changing the article to the way I see fit. NSR77 13:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Whether or not BTW is a good album or not, what matters is that the picture is recent and is good quality and of course has the correct license for us to use on Wikipedia. ( Davehard 14:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC) )

Critically Dismissed my...
"The album featured the familiar blend of funk, metal, and jazz, but this time showed increased hard rock and psychedelic influences. Despite being critically dismissed, possibly due to the lack of Frusciante's more familiar style, the album was a commercial success and sold five million copies internationally."

The album was not actually critically dismissed. Reception ranged from mixed to well received, see the Rolling Stone Magazine review of One Hot Minute from 1995. The bad reviews only seriously escalated after John Frusciante rejoined the Red Hot Chili Peppers.Paralleluniverse 21:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Something I've Noticed...
The article's quality level drops dramatically following the conclusion of the BTW section. The entire Stadium Arcadium area is in need of revamp and vast upgrading. NSR77 16:07, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
im just adding a trivia section, but can peopel help me, all i can think of is Flea and Anthony are the only members to play on every Red Hot Chili Peppers album
 * There should not be a trivia section (see WP:TRIV). ShadowHalo 01:50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

GA NOMINATION
I am nominating the Red Hot Chili Peppers for Good Article consideration. Anyone willing to help out is wanted and welcome to. NSR77 00:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * GA review (see here for criteria)

I've failed this article for GA. Here are some things to work on before nominating again. The infobox is not formatted correctly (see Template:Infobox musical artist). There are parenthetical years/instruments, and it's preferred to use line breaks only for the members. Major POV problems: "A human skeleton on the verge of death" and "So powerful was the concert that those in charge of promoting the show begged the band to return once again the next week". The article needs a copyedit: "would give birth to the bands second full length concert film" (journalistic conditional and apostrophe needed). Many solo years are linked but shouldn't be; August 16, 1985, on the other hand, should be linked. The article needs much more referencing, especially with Billboard positions, the Musical style section,a nd the Lyrical themes and topics section. None of the images or sound files have fair use rationales, and several images were unsourced when I reviewed the article. If they've only released nine studio albums, then they should probably be listed in the Discography section. ShadowHalo 01:50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
 * 1) It is stable.
 * 2) It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
 * a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA):  c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
 * 1) Overall:
 * a Pass/Fail:
 * a Pass/Fail:

Ah, someone beat me to the failing. Here's some comments that I wrote down:
 * Glad to see that this article has come together a bit. It read like a train wreck only a month or two ago.  However, mnay things still need to be fixed before this can pass as a GA.
 * There are too many copyrighted images in the article (in fact, I notice some admins are already nominating some for speedy deletion). There is probably a free image available of them somewhere, but even if there isn't, there should only be one image at most identifying the band. All of the promotional images that are along side the album sections should be removed.
 * All images need source information.
 * All copyrighted images need a fair use rationale (see Pixies or Phil Collins for examples.
 * Please read Citing sources for how to cite sources. The references to Kiedis' book and a few online sources are improperly formatted.
 * Only official band websites should have external links.
 * "Music style" and "Lyrical themes and topics" sections need citations.
 * Overall, there is still a significant lack of citations. Many paragraphs don't have any citations at all, even for significant information (i.e."Frusciante was talked into admitting himself to Los Encinos Drug Rehabilitation center in January of 1998")
 * Most of the content in "Other media appearences" should be deleted or incorperated into the above text. It is unencyclopedic to list every single movie soundtrack that has a Chili Peppers song; the entire section reads like a trivia section.
 * Music samples should be placed by the album section on which they appear instead of clumped together in the technique section
 * The prose is very clichéd. The article should be written in the tone of an encylopedia and avoid idioms such as "A human skeleton on the verge of death" "minds were focused on enduring whatever life may throw at them" "embarking on a massive heroin binges".
 * Billboard needs to be italicized every time that it appears in the article since it is the name of a magazine.

Teemu08 01:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Free images
There's quite a few images of the band on Wikicommons. would be great for the infobox. WesleyDodds 04:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

GA review
I have reviewed the article, and here is what I think:


 * 1) Lead is good
 * 2) Grammer/phrasing stuff:
 * 3) There are a lot of brackets in the first section. I generally prefer to see articles try and avoid them. For example: "The Red Hot Chili Peppers (originally Tony Flow and the Miraculous Masters of Mayhem) were formed by Fairfax High School alumni Anthony Kiedis (vocals) Hillel Slovak (guitar), Michael "Flea" Balzary (bass), and Jack Irons (drums), following what was supposed to be a one-off performance." could be changed to "The Red Hot Chili Peppers were originally known as 'Tony Flow and the Miraculous Masters of Mayhem' and featured Anthony Kiedis as lead singer, Hillel Slovak as the guitarist, Michael "Flea" Balzary on bass and Jack Irons as the drummer." I think the high school alumni bit is unnecessary, but if you feel it's important, work it in there somewhere.
 * 4) "One song had been created for the occasion, involving Kiedis rapping a poem he had written weeks prior to the event, as he was stilted by his inability to sing." seems sloppy to me.
 * 5) "Thus, the band changed their name to the Red Hot Chili Peppers" could perhaps be changed to "as a result, the band changed their name to _____"
 * 6) "Several months thereafter, the band was signed to the record label EMI. However, a mere two weeks before, Slovak and Irons' band, What Is This?, had, consequently, obtained a record deal with MCA. They considered the Red Hot Chili Peppers to be a side project, and therefore, withdrew in order to pursue their prior engagement. Nonetheless, the two remaining Chili Peppers' minds were focused on enduring the hindrance" ''Sloppy sentences, "thereafter" is not needed. Perhaps it could be changed to "Several months later, Slovak and Irons left the band, considering it a side prject. However, the two remaining members were focused on enduring the hindrance and signed a deal with EMI two weeks later."
 * 7) "He, despite their warnings, pushed the band to play with a cleaner, crisper and more radio viable sound, which defied Anthony and Flea." should be changed to "Despite their warnings, he ..."

And that's just stuff I found in the first few paragraphs. The article has promise, but it still needs work on the prose before it can become a GA. Apologies, but I am going to have to fail the article for the time being. If you would like, I can help clean it up, but that would mean that I wouldn't be able to review the article again, should you renominate it. -- Scorpion 15:31, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

review
Hi, I tried to condense the first few paragraphs of the article. I'm putting what I've done here, but am I supposed to change it on the article, or wait for someone to review it? (I accidentally took out the links but I'm going to put them back in afterwards, and I didn't space it out since I don't know how. Sorry if this makes it harder to read.)

"The Red Hot Chili Peppers are a multiple Grammy Award-winning [2] American rock band, formed in Los Angeles, California in 1983. Throughout their career, the band has successfully fused various elements of punk, funk, alternative rock, psychedelic rock and heavy metal. They have collectively sold over 60 million albums worldwide, and also hold the record for most number one singles on the Billboard Modern Rock Chart with 11. Moreover, the band also has a total accumulation of 81 weeks at number one, yet another record.[3] Inconsistent and unstable lineups have influenced the band's music, style, and success throughout the nine studio recordings they have produced. The most notable of such was the addition of guitarist John Frusciante, following the death of the previous, Hillel Slovak. With the band, Frusciante assisted in propelling the foursome's once turbulent musical career into a successful and popular affair. Their second album together (fifth collectively), 1991's Blood Sugar Sex Magik, labeled one of the most influential albums of all time, has since gone multi-platinum in numerous countries, and become an international sensation selling over 12 million copies. However, during the process, Frusciante became uncomfortable with the newfound success of the band, and quit in the late summer of 1992. The Chili Peppers, employed former Jane's Addiction guitarist, Dave Navarro, for their subsequent album One Hot Minute. Released in 1995, it failed to meet the recognition which Blood Sugar Sex Magik saw, and, as a result, sold roughly 5 million units; vast creative differences between him and the rest of the band caused Navarro to be kicked out not long after. Frusciante, in his absences, became severely addicted to heroin and almost lost his life.[4] Nevertheless, in 1998 he completed drug rehabilitation and rejoined the Chili Peppers at the request of Flea,[5] much to his and Kiedis' elation.[6] The foursome returned to the studio to create 1999's Californication, which would go on to sell 15 million units worldwide, becoming the band's most successful album to date. It was followed up three years later by By the Way; an album which showed a far more subdued side to the Chili Peppers.[7] Four years following, the group released Stadium Arcadium, making it the first time a Red Hot Chili Peppers' line-up had not changed in three consecutive studio recordings."

Thank you! Jedi feline 10:54, 22 March 2007 (UTC)