Talk:Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41–45

Very POV
Unqiue, high quality. while those many be true it still doesn't make it proper wiki. -Unknown
 * I disagree, Ostfront is a game, and all games deserve a wiki. -JokersAce
 * That is not the issue here. --Tom Edwards 09:50, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * From Tripwire Interactive... As the producers of the game, we'd actually like to see the description and details in here very much being added/edited by the general public and putting an "open" point of view. If we disagree with anything said, we'll happily discuss in the Talk section, but I don't expect to find any Tripwire Interactive staffers trying to use Wiki to sell the product! Cheers - Alan Wilson, VP, Tripwire Interactive, 28 Dec 2005
 * There is no POV here. I can't see anything to makes Ostfront better than any other game. It is more or less an information wiki. -James
 * Its March, where's my game!
 * It'll come. Just be patient.
 * Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 is being released March 14th.
 * When will it come in retail stores? I heard it was two weeks after the steam release. Am I correct?
 * No official word yet. A member of the development team has said unofficially that the boxed release will probably come 1-2 weeks after the steam release of Tuesday March 14, perhaps longer depending on the country.

General corrections
I added two weapons that are coming in a patch very soon, and made an note that the balistic penatration system is currently broken, but will be fixed in a patch.

Changed some things, found some mistakes in the weapon lists

Removed picture in the map section, as picture was from a map in the mod, no longer in the game in an official cappacity, although it has been converted by a community member. Said map is RO_Warsaw if anyone cares. Appreciated if someone could add a picture from the game, as I don't know how

==Clown Car? Tanks...and clown cars? Is this slang, vandalism?

StuG
The StuG in-game is the StuG III F/8. This is a StuG F that has been fitted with the 75mm L/48 cannon, while the F used the L/43 cannon (as used in the Panzer IV F/2 in the game).

Patch updates
Why did someone remove the Added Patch 1016 from the map list (Lves)? The weapons have the patch they were added in next to them, why not maps?

Trial Weekend
Was it actually the full version that was made available? Valve's announcement made it seem like there was a single-player aspect of the game that was not being included in the game (if there is I wouldn't know about it, as I am one of the trial participants, not an owner of the full game). --UNHchabo 03:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC) The trial was the whole game, just unlocked for 5 days

More content
This article is mostly made up of lists. The "Features"- section should be replaced with a "Gameplay"- section with information about how the game is played. Just look at other game articles. This one is not to good right now... 217.211.211.182 12:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Done, to some extent. I replaced the Features-section with a "Gameplay"-section. Most of the information is from the article Red Orchestra: Combined Arms. I see no reason not to use it as the retail game and the original mod are pretty much 1:1. I know this isn't a bullseye on first try but I hope this atleast gives some direction for the future. Essesense 07:27, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Robox.jpg
Image:Robox.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 04:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Tagged
I tagged this article for cleanup. It's basically just made up of lists right now... 217.211.211.182 13:59, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

"Realistic" Tanks
How can you say "tanks with realistic armor properties, including penetration and deflection, in relation to range and projectile trajectory angle"? Did you ever look at the code?

There are no seperate values for the hull and the tower, so it does not matter what your tower is looking at, but only what your hull is "looking" at. There are only three values that define armor in this game: FrontArmorFactor, SideArmorFactor and RearArmorFactor. Angling gives a bonus of 300% IIRC. The shells travel at half of the realistic speed (due to an engine limitation, that caused detection problems etc.). Calling that realistic is imho a farce.

So my change was no opinion post. You could ever say it is not really realistic - what I did - or say it is but list the exceptions or you could say it is more realistic than XY but imo other than that is just misinformation and should not happen here on wikipedia. --Mat69 10:44, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

1.) When a T-60 tank is capable of penetrating a Panzer III Ausf. L frontally as far away as 1,000 meters in Red Orchestra; this hardly qualifies as realistic.

2.) When a Panzer IV equipped with a long 7.5 cm KwK 40 consistently has its rounds deflect from the front and even the sides and rear of a T-34 tank; this hardly qualifies as realistic.

3.) When a PTRD is capable of destroying 'all' of the tanks currently in the game (including the Tiger I) with one or two shots; this hardly qualifies as realistic. Look here PTRD video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxKf-0PzAhI

Commons-Pictures
de:Benutzer:Wladi001 got several Screenshots licenced by Tripwire. See Commons-Link at bottom of article. --84.141.142.187 (talk) 19:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Map links
Shouldn't the map links go to the battle they represent instead of the region, when applicable? The Stalingrad map link goes to the Stalingrad page instead of the Battle of Stalingrad one, for example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.108.184.118 (talk) 20:57, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Merge from Combined Arms
The game's forerunner, Red Orchestra: Combined Arms, has little in the way of independent coverage. It might be better to incoporate it into a "history" section here? Marasmusine (talk) 17:40, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree. We can merge Killing Floor (video game) with Killing Floor (2009 video game) too.Zaqq (talk) 17:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I know this is a bit old now, but if anyone wants to get around to merging Combined Arms and this article, I'm in agreement as well; half of the Combined Arms article is talking about the retail version anyway, so it's pretty much redundant. Woodrow Buzard (talk) 03:04, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Hardware requirements
where is the most important section? --> the hardware requirements!! --186.124.127.186 (talk) 08:30, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

"Emphasis on realism"
There are passages on supposed realism that are copied basically verbatim in the section on Gameplay and the one on Red Orchestra: Combined Arms. Totally aside from that klunky writing, the "emphasis on realism" can be debated, as it's solely a realism of FPS mechanics, not really a realistic depiction of Eastern Front war, where it's really a nauseating whitewash ignoring the frequency and depravity of atrocities on both sides. --91.67.238.3 (talk) 09:45, 17 June 2016 (UTC)