Talk:Red Sandstone Varied Productions

Help request
Please advise as to what changes and additions need to be made to the page to avoid deletionYvonne Coughlan (talk) 05:10, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Red Sandstone predominant in Cork No mention of Red Sandstone Varied Productions
 * Video documentation of The Haunted History Tour at Cork City Gaol YouTube is not a RELIABLE source.
 * Current projects by RSVP ← "maybe" okay.  Nothing about Red Sandstone Varied Productions.
 * Connections make a film in 4 days at Corona Fastnet Short Film Festival No mention of Red Sandstone Varied Productions.
 * Connections-make a film in 4 days PRIMARY sources are okay only to support third party sources.
 * Trash Culture Revue Cork 2012 The Garden of Imagination No mention of Red Sandstone Varied Productions.
 * Sorted Like, recent film project by RSVP ← "maybe" okay.
 * Because I'm a girl blog BLOGS not considered RELIABLE
 * The Rehearsal by Martin A. David produced by RSVP at Kinsale Arts Festival Nothing about Red Sandstone Varied Productions.
 * Images of RSVP COPYRIGHT concerns.  Do not upload any of these to Wikipedia/Commons without going through the DONATION process.
 * Connections-make a film in 4 days, produced at Trash Culture Revue ← "maybe" okay.
 * Connections-make a film in 4 days, Trash Culture Revue No mention of Red Sandstone Varied Productions
 * Crowdfunding project for No matter where you go there you are PRIMARY sources are okay only to support third party sources.
 * Crowdfunding project for No matter where you go there you are Nothing about Red Sandstone Varied Productions.
 * Review No matter where you go there you are No mention of Red Sandstone Varied Productions
 * Review No matter where you go there you are BLOGS not considered RELIABLE
 * Report Cork News, No matter where you go there you are ← "Maybe" okay.
 * Blog, No matter where you go there you are BLOGS not considered RELIABLE
 * Blog, No matter where you go there you are BLOGS not considered RELIABLE
 * Report, No matter where you go there you are Nothing about Red Sandstone Varied Productions.
 * Report, No matter where you go there you are Nothing about Red Sandstone Varied Productions.
 * Report RSVP production of McCarthy's Community Talent Competition No mention of Red Sandstone Varied Productions
 * Image, Youghal Medieval festival, The Clock Gate Tower Hangings PRIMARY sources are okay only to support third party sources.
 * RSVP Vision Statement PRIMARY sources are okay only to support third party sources.
 * Culture Night Cork event at Lifetime Lab No mention of Red Sandstone Varied Productions
 * V-Day; The Vagina Monologues Cork/Kinsale Press Release ← "Maybe" okay.
 * Tales from the Halloween Crypt PRIMARY sources are okay only to support third party sources.
 * The Rehearsal by Martin A. David No mention of Red Sandstone Varied Productions

Thank youYvonne Coughlan (talk) 23:29, 11 June 2013 (UTC) Thanks so much for your time, searching for appropriate citations now.Yvonne Coughlan (talk) 23:28, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow... That was a lot to go through... I've crossed out everything I consider unacceptable and the rest are kind of questionable in my opinion, but "may" be okay to use. This article also could use some tender loving care from the guild of copy editors to re-format it and make it easier to read.  It needs some sectioning and some INLINE citations.  You should also read up on our Conflict Of Interest page.  I will tag the article and talk page for you.  Good luck! Technical 13 (talk) 12:45, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and did a major cleanup and copyedit, removing promotional copy and unreliable sources, i.e., inappropriate blogs and press releases. The comprehensive list of work that the subject has presented is great stuff to include on a corporate website, but not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Let me know if you have any questions. Best regards, Cindy  ( talk ) 14:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Is it appropriate to cite reviews from local and national newspapers without a direct web link to the article other than on RSVP website?

ie for The Haunted History Tour; Cork City Gaol.

"An impressive cast of young actors has been assembled[...] The haunted ambience of this drama-cum-tour is brought to vivid life by a script full of historical erudition and the creation of a howling, murderous and haunted atmosphere that attests to the human suffering these walls must surely have borne witness to. […] The script by Red Sandstone Varied Production’s Yvonne Coughlan was excellent and the acting was enjoyably credible. […] This is a memorable dramatic rendering of a vital part of Cork history and you must see it." Frank Hanover. Evening Echo. Feb. 2007.

for V-Day; The Vagina Monologues Cork/Kinsale 2009

"Nineteen volunteers, including a number of professional actresses, performed a series of monologues that combined to celebrate female sexuality as well as highlight female genital mutilation and rape. Produced by Kinsale-based Red Sandstone Varied Productions, this show was at times hugely humorous.[…] There was deathly silence in the Crane Lane Theatre as the audience learned that what is happening in the DRC is “femocide” – a war that is wreaking havoc on females. The clarion call to tackle this atrocity was the resounding message at the end of this heartfelt production." Colette Sheridan. Examiner. 1 May 2009.

for A Play for Gaza; Seven Jewish Children by Caryl Churchill.

“Kinsale residents witnessed a unique theatrical event last week when they were the first people outside the capital to see the acclaimed and controversial play Seven Jewish Children, by Caryl Churchill […] It was an outstanding production with the intensity of the acting and the enthusiasm of the participants warmly applauded by each audience. Noelle O’Regan, Cathie Clinton, Yvonne Coughlan, Richard Clare, and Arina Obuchova put everything into the play and Noelle was particularly impressive at each performance.” Dermot Ryan. Southern Star. 21 March, 2009.

Are the following links appropriate citations? Yvonne Coughlan (talk) 14:06, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

RSVP production for Culture night at Lifetime Lab 2012 http://culturenightcork.ie/events/46/lifetime-lab-old-cork-waterworks/


 * A primary source that mentions RSVP only in passing.

Culture night youth theatre at Lifetime lab 2012 http://www.lifetimelab.ie/news/newsarchive2012/culturenightyouththeatrelifetimelab/


 * Another primary source that doesn't discuss RSVP in any detail.

Local newspaper Cork independant on Culture night production by RSVP at Lifetime lab http://corkindependent.com/stories/item/4464/2011-37/Culture-Night-at-Lifetime-Lab


 * A reliable third-party source, but only trivial coverage.

Culture Night PDF published by Arts Council Entry 46 Lifetime Lab http://www.culturenight.ie/wp-content/uploads/Cork_Culture_Night-pdf-for-download-24.pdf


 * Another primary source that doesn't discuss RSVP in any detail.

News archive of RSVP work with Blackrock Castle Observatory http://www.cit.ie/newsarchive?id=85


 * A press release, not a reliable source.

Cosmic Christmas launch and flood relief benefit website entry http://lauramcgonigle.ie/2009/12/cosmic-christmas-launch-flood-relief-benefit/


 * Should probably be considered a self-published blog without editorial oversight; not a reliable source.

National radio and Television website entry for RSVP http://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/travel/news/2012/0615/325167-cork-a-curiouscity/


 * A reliable third-party source, but only trivial coverage.

Local Newspaper Cork independent entry for RSVP http://corkindependent.com/stories/item/9943/2012-25/Inspire-your-creative-side


 * A reliable third-party source, but only trivial coverage.

Animated Tours by RSVP at Blackrock Castle newspaper entry Cork independent http://corkindependent.com/stories/item/3580/2011-31/New-tour-at-Blackrock-Castle


 * Another reliable third-party source, but still only trivial coverage. No details on RSVP beyond a half-sentence mention.

Culture night at Lifetime Lab 2011 http://www.lifetimelab.ie/news/newsarchive2011/newsarchive2011/culturenightlifetimelab/


 * A promotional primary source, not reliable.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Yvonne Coughlan (talk • contribs) 12:46, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

The name of the company is registered as 'RSVP (Red Sandstone Varied Productions)' this is the intended name of the article. Is it appropriate to re-edit title, which has been changed to 'Red Sandstone Varied Productions'? Yvonne Coughlan (talk) 14:06, 12 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I have interspersed my opinions between the sources. In summary, you have a few passing mentions in reliable sources, mostly just trivial local news coverage that won't help establish notability, and lots of primary sources that cannot help establish notability at all. You can cite reviews from print sources, but you shouldn't quote them, at least not in that much detail. You can cite the newspapers themselves without any weblink but should provide enough details about the sources to allow our readers to look them up in a library.
 * Regarding the article name, some sources use "RSVP", some "Red Sandstone Varied Productions", yet others "Red Sandstone Varied Productions (RSVP)" - I don't think I saw a single source use "RSVP (Red Sandstone Varied Productions)" and thus don't think that would be an appropriate title for the article. Huon (talk) 19:29, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, much appreciated.22:58, 12 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yvonne Coughlan (talk • contribs)