Talk:Reddy/Archive 1

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Intercaste marriages
What is the percentage of inter-caste and inter-religious marriages in the Reddy community? If it is less than 20%, aren't they anti-social? Maaparty 17:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Readdition
Material deleted earlier is pasted back.

Basava PuranamLong time back I heard that basava puranam has lot of references to Origins of Reddy. If anyone know more about it let me know.--Vyzasatya 12:38, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Kapu & Reddy The discussion about the linkage between Kapu and Reddy is irrelevant simply because Kapu is a pure Telugu word for farmer or one who protects and tills the land (The equivalent words 'ryot' and 'Karshaka' are Persian and Sanskrit, respectively). All present day agrarian castes viz., Kapu, Telaga, Balija, Kamma, Reddy, Munnuru Kapu and Ontari were once called Kapus. Due to historical and social conflicts these people got themselves divided into social groups. Some persons got titles (Reddy, Naidu, Choudary etc) because of their exalted status of village and military leaders, which got consolidated as separate castes. A recent example is that Reddys were classified as Kapus till the exit of British. Even today, Reddys are categorized as Kapus in civil records in many districts. Arguments in this respect are trivial and hollow.--Kumar

YOGI VEMANA If you need i can produce details of them. But remember one thing there is lot of confusion between kapus and reddy's and many places reddy's are called as kapu and andhra kapu's are lot different and no relation to reddy's.

For your information during this peiod there was no caste Called Reddy and people who had Reddy as their title were from Kapu/Telaga community...

Well so you wanna claim that Reddys evolved by themselves and are from Rashtrakutas??? I you refer to any of the History Documetns some Section's of the Reddys have infact Branched away from Kapu community.You want proof well i have tons of it...

YOGI VEMANA

It appears that no proper research had been done about him,his birth place and his caste before he was branded as a poet belonging to Reddy caste when Vemana himself wrote that he belonged to Kapu caste.If it is true that he was born in Kondaveedu in Guntur district as per one school of thought Vemana should belong to Kapu caste only,but not to Reddy caste.Kondaveedu is about 25 kilometers from Guntur where no Kapu person would be called Reddy as far as I know. Even If Vemana was born in some other area where some Reddys equate with Kapus it should always be the right way for any writer or investigator to brand him as "KAPU " since Vemana bragged about his "KAPU CASTE" and no where bragged about Reddy caste.I just want to quote some of the lines about his Kapu back ground in his Telugu poems.

"Kali Yugamuna nunna KAPU KULANIKI Vemana tana keerthi vikrainche"

"KAPUKULAJU lentha karmatthulainanu Paaparasi kontha parisipovu Vivara meruganatti Verri Jeevulu gana"

"Vuppu chinthapandu Vuurilo nundaga Karuvadela vacche KAPULARA Thaalakam berugaro thagarambu nerugaro"

In my opinion it is proper to consider Vemana's caste as Kapu rather than Reddy without distortion since Vemana himself quoted that he belonged to Kapu caste in the above poems.

Answers to the above are as below.

Vemana is a reddy and his father's name is reddy and his grand father's name is reddy and most reddy's claimed themselves as kapu because in olden days who ever do agriculture were called as kapu..Please don't confuse with many doubts like this. And all vemana's relatives in Ananthapur and kadiri exist to day. If you need i can produce details of them. But remember one thing there is lot of confusion between kapus and reddy's and many places reddy's are called as kapu and andhra kapu's are lot different and no relation to reddy's.

Reddys (atleast in Rayalaseema) claim they are kApas. Thats what they write in Caste certificate. I have also seen in old texts Reddys being referred as Kapas. (Ref:p.139 of A Manual of the Kurnool District in the Presidency of Madras by Narahari Gopalakrishnamh Chetty, Government Press, Madras, 1886) Commonly known as Madras Manuals. Why two different names??. In this text It lists Kapus, Velamas, Kammas as Shudras. I would be happy to see the evidence contrary to it too. After all I want to know about my heritage. --Vyzasatya 13:09, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Iam a Kapu Reddy too, iam from chittoor dist, basically the reddies from the forming community called kapus to my knowledge....Even my caste specifies as KAPU in my school TC etc...AumprakashReddy 04:47, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Rashtrakuta's Rajputs?I know Rathores of Rajastan claim both Rashtrakuta ancestry and Rajput ancestry. But what are the exact historical proofs to delcare Rashtrakutas as of Rajput origin? Many places it is written as one of the theories, here it's directly declared as a true history. Almost all of the literary works during Rashtrakuta period was in Kannada and not only that there was a work related to Karnataka's geographical boundaries so their place has remained as true Kannada kings in Karnataka. No, I don't have any problem with Reddys appropriating Rashtrakuta name for their higher status along with Indo-Aryan birth. Yes, 'R' and 'T' in Rashtrakuta closely resemble with 'R' and 'D' in Reddy. However, for a Dravidian, Reddy sounds like 'Chetty(Tamil)' or 'Shetty(Tulu)'. --Manjunatha (24 Aug 2005 10:23 IST)

Why the above talk was deleted? Vandalism from 131.225.82.174. He looks like he is new to wiki --Vyzasatya 14:39, 24 August 2005 (UTC) while the reddy rajas might not have been genetically connected to the rashtrakutas, they were probably the inheritors of rashtrakuta political power in andhra. this is what is meant by claiming their origin to rashtrakutas. when a new power rises, it tries to legitmate itself by placing itself in the ancient lineage. for example, sivaji claimed that his maratha confedracy was a succession of vijayanagara. we know that the rulers of vijayanagara were actually of kannadiga origin, but sivaji's claim is still valid if you consider it in light of political descendence.--Reddyraja 21:18, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

can you provide some more evidence regarding rashtrakuta origin --Vyzasatya 16:39, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Poojareddy 22:17, 5 February 2006 (UTC)I was wondering if anyone on this discussion page would know if there are any works out there (either in Telugu or in English) that comprehensively document Reddy history. Or, if not, what are some good books that document some or parts of Reddy history?

When it comes to South Indian society, caste hierarchy actually is irrelevent. I'm not sure if it's Manu's declaration in Manu Smriti that all the Dravidas are Shudras which determined the permanent Shudra status for all the warrior and merchant communities of South India. In fact, dominance of any caste because of higher caste status is not valid in South Indian society. Here the social dominance should be viewed from the angle of feudalism. However, I do agree caste rules did influence the South Indian society in a way that all the classes became endogamous units. Manjunatha (25 Oct 2005) I think there are few fundamental questions we have to ask before writing an article on caste. The fact is caste itself is a POV. So we have to be very careful while using the terms "upper" and "lower" castes. I suppose those are really qualifying terms and could be POV. More precise terms could be "dominant" and "weaker" castes. Again this has to be weighed against historical context. Because the self-styled upper castes and the declared lower-castes can be dominant and weaker at different points of history. I suppose Brahmins no longer weild the clout in political and social area as they used to be in the past. However, "upper" or "lower" is a matter of choice(unless if you are totally irrational to believe the gods wanted so but perhaps in wikipedia the words should be more secular). However, the word dominant could be tested and you do see Reddys and Kammas are dominant in Andhra and that makes sense. Also, I could even equate somebody claiminig themselves to be the upper caste is equal to the Whites declaring themselves to be the superior race. --Manjunatha (12 November 2005)

Thanks for nice insight --Vyzasatya 07:48, 12 November 2005 (UTC) 210.214.50.32, Please read the attached reference about the varna status of the Reddy community. It was written by a reddy judge so i don't see how there can be anymore debate about this matter. There is nothing to be ashamed of, it doesn't change their high status of today. [1]--Satya7 23:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Chowdhury Reddy Anon user 203.126.136.223 posted the following:

Chowdhury Reddy(Chowdhury in late Mughal times was taken as next to zamindar in rank though socially a Chowdhury was considered superior to a zamindar,this word is carried on to the telangana region during the nizams rule, called as patels in telangana region),

Is there any reddy subcaste called chowdhury reddy's?. I didnot hear about them anywhere. Someone please verify. --Vyzasatya 14:39, 28 November 2005 (UTC) I heard of palle reddy, Reddy Gandla and konda reddy

Can these be added.

Also some one need to clarify on which sub casts can offically be allowed to marry other sub casts and which treat themself as real different cast!

You can go ahead and add Palle Reddy, Reddy Gandla and Konda Reddy. I too heard of them.--Vyzasatya 18:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC) I know many people who are chawdary reddies and heard about Gandla reddies---[reddythegreat]

I heard of Chowdary reddy's in Adilabad district. The history states that there were seven brothers in Adilabad district and the eldest is chowdary reddy and the total community is called by his name.His other brothers are motati,gudati,gandla,kapu,gone, pedda kapu etc.There is no written evidence any where listed for the sub castes.

I Heard of Chawdary Reddies and Gandla reddies in Adilabad and KarimNagar District. Actually reddies who were involved in Forest Contracts and trading of Oil and forest produce were called as Gandla reddies. Chawdary reddies were jamindars and higher rank villagers and Chawdary some how came from Nizam rulers. American Medical Association SurveyCan you please provide the link as to where you found "In the 2004, the American Medical Association survey of last or middle names in United States revealed 4.02% of the practicing physicians had Reddy as their Middle or Last Name"

And also should it be 4.02% of physicians of indian origin or 4.02% of all physicians in US? Please correct it accordingly

I did not write the above sentense. I am ticked off by the anons. so I am not bothered what they make of this page --Vyzasatya 09:40, 11 February 2006 (UTC) Can you please provide the link as to where you found "In the 2004, the American Medical Association survey of last or middle names in United States revealed 4.02% of the practicing physicians had Reddy as their Middle or Last Name"

And also should it be 4.02% of physicians of indian origin or 4.02% of all physicians in US? Please correct it accordingly

Faith"The first conversion of Reddys to Christianity took place at Madigubba in Anantapur District in 1750 where Thumma Hanumantha Reddy got converted as Thumma Rayapa Reddy. The Catholic Reddy women wear Talibottu and Bottu (Tilak). They wear Mettalu and follow Telugu traditions and customs. Catholic Reddy's marry only Reddys either Hindus or Catholics. It is common for Catholic Reddys to have many Hindu relatives. Catholic Reddys are treated as a Forward caste by the government as they are landlords and enjoy their position in villages."

Dynasties
After Satavahana dynasty Andhra Pradesh was divided into several kingdoms, such as Ikshvakus, Brihatpalayanas, Anandas, Salankayanas, Pitrubhaktas, Matharas, Vasishtas etc. Ikshwaku dynasti supported Budhism. Chalukya dynasty (540-1075 AD) was a warrior tribe/caste dynasty and was Vaishnavite, but upheld tribal/caste differences and Vedic learning and supported Brahmins. Vishnuvardhana was a staunch Vaishnavite and revived Aswamedha, but his queen was a devout Jain! Later kings of the dynasty converted to Shaivism. Toward the end of the dynasty Virashaivism came to Andhra Pradesh from Karnataka. Budhism totally declined because of lack of royal support.

Kakatiya Dynasty (1000-1323 AD) was an indigenous power that sprang from the local people (the so-called vedic fourth class, the Sudras). Jainism was prominent during 11th century but was wiped out by Shaivism during this period. Reddy dynasty (1325-1424AD) was established by Kammas, Velamas, and Reddis, powerful Aryan tribes/castes (they are Suryavanshi clans, Ayodhya). Vijayanagara empire (1336-1678 AD), Vijayanagaram city as capital, was ruled by four dynasties in succession:1) Sangama, 2) Saluva, 3) Tuluva, and 4) Aravidu dynasties. With the threat of Islam (an alien religion and culture), various local religions/tribes/castes came together (christened by Islamic invaders as Hindus) to fight against Islam, during this period. The Vijayanagara rulers hailed from local peasant communities and tried to perpetuate or protect the individual religious/tribal/caste identities.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.135.201.227 (talk) 10:34, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Vema Reddy
The material on Vema Reddy is good. However, it needs editing. Vema Reddy was part of the Nayak confederation lead by Musunuri Prolaya Nayaka and later Kapaya Nayaka. He helped consolidate Hindu opposition to marauding muslims and cooperated with Musunuri cousins. When Recherla Velama nayaks raided Addanki, Kapaya Nayaka came to support Vema Reddy and drove back Velamas, which was greatly resented by them and ultimately led to Kapaya's martyrdom at Bhuvanagiri. After Kapaya's death, Reddys at Addanki became independent. Musunuri cousins were Kammas with whom Padmanayaka Velamas had sworn rivalry.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.165.151.180 (talk) 06:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Deletions and additions
DEAR FELLOW REDDYS DON'T WORRY ABOUT ANY DISJOINTEDNESS IN OUR REDDY ARTICLE. Another caste is constantly vandalizing our page and wants to eliminate the existence of our caste so that we are no a longer caste but a mere title. This is what was done to the Patel's article. I have given direct citations in the article itself, including page numbers, so no one can challenge it unless they resort to pure vandalism. I am the one who added the following: Reddy is a forward caste of Andhra Pradesh. British museologist and ethnographer, Edgar Thurston, in page 223 of the third volume of his Castes and Tribes of Southern India states that Reddys are the great landholders of the Telugu districts "and next to the Brahmans are the leaders of Hindu Society". I have cited the reference in the passage itself. I don't why a certain caste is trying to destroy Reddy identity but it is breeding blood hatred for that caste. Remember this is read all over the world and there will be consequences for your caste if you continue to erase legitimate citations. If you have a problem with it say why. Tit for Tat vandalizing is not the answer. More important me and other Reddys will bear a Nazi-like hatred for that caste. We all know who that anti-Reddy caste is. We all know who this caste is and it is breeding blood hatred which can effect real things like money and employment for that caste.

The section "Notorious Reddys" was deleted by someone. A logical explanation should have been given before deleting the matter. One can argue about these names in an unbiased manner.
 * I have organised all the names mentioned under categories but the list still needs a lot of work. People notable for both positive and negative reasons can be included if they are notable enough and if only bare facts are given. See WP:BLP. Also, some people are mentioned twice, there is a lot of formatting to do, etc. etc. Itsmejudith 14:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The material in "Notorious Reddys" has been continually re-added. This is in breach of Wikipedia policy WP:BLP since the information is negative and largely unverifiable, and therefore potentially libellous. I have asked for the page to be semi-protected so that this material cannot be added again by an anonymous editor. Negative points about individuals can be added in these circumstances: if there is a good source, if that individual is a public figure in their own right (not just a relative of a public figure), if the information is relevant to the subject's notability and if the presentation is unbiased. Thanks.Itsmejudith 17:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Pioneers
Why is there so much aversion to listing famous reddys ALONG with what they are famous for?

For Example 1.) GVK is the richest Reddy but this has no mention in the article. 2.) Bharath Reddy was the first Reddy to play cricket for the Indian National team. His name finds no mention here. 3.) Dan Reddy was among the 100 richest people on earth in 1998 according to Forbes magazine, but the article only lists him as founder of Alliance Semiconductor. 4.) Shilpa Reddy is the first Reddy Mrs India. 5.) N. Janardhan Reddy is the first Christian Reddy CM.

Why is there so much aversion to list the word 'first' or richest? After all that is an achievement! Projectsbaker 21:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC) P B


 * Well, I've been trying to clean up the list, only because I know about Wikipedia processes. I don't see much point in including people who are not notable enough for their own article. Also there should be a reliable source for each statement. A mention in a newspaper would be sufficient, preferably in English as this is the English language Wikipedia.Itsmejudith 22:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean by 'I don't see much point in including people who are not notable enough for their own article' ???

Why this rule ? 'A mention in a newspaper would be sufficient,' Just because there is newpaper article does not make it right, truth or honest. So how can you just proscribe to the view of an article? Besides how can we link to articles that are not electronic? Also what about facts that are clear? Will we still need a newspaper article to state that the sky is blue? Since this is wikipedia, everyone takes an interest in promoting, preserving and expanding it. What gives you the authority to dismiss others additions and that too just because they do not fit into your view of what should and who should be highlighted?


 * I am trying to stick by Wikipedia policy. If people are notable enough for the encyclopedia, they should have their own article. I don't have very fixed ideas about who is notable enough. There are policies about sources. Major newspapers are generally considered to be reliable sources for Wikipedia because they have staff who fact-check the stories. Of course they make errors but they are willing to correct their errors. If you look at the relevant science articles you will indeed see that there is a source given for the fact that the sky is blue. It does not matter if a source is electronic or not, it can still be cited as the source. For a newspaper article you would state the title of the paper, the date, title of the article, and preferably the page number and the byline of the author if there is one. There is a lot of work still to be done including people who are eminent and very worthy of their own article and not much point in including those who are not well known. Itsmejudith 22:50, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Notable Reddys
I am going to go back to cleaning this list up. It should be just one list of notable people. some of them may indeed be eminent but the main thing is that people should only be mentioned if they are notable enough for their own entry in the encyclopedia. I will leave in anyone who doesn't currently have an entry but it looks as if they should have, including anyone who has held high elected office. When the list is clean, it will not have any notes by the names of people, as the reader can click on the link to go to the article about the person. If anyone has any objections, please mention them here. Itsmejudith 14:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * However, I don't think that all MLAs in Andhra Pradesh with Reddy and similar names should be included, as there are so many of them. Itsmejudith 14:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Additions to the list of prominent Reddys
Pinnapureddy.Narotham Reddy Managing Director Prime Power Devices

KS Jawahar Reddy Managing Director of the Hyderabad Metropolitan Water Supply and Sewerage Board and IAS —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pk321 (talk • contribs) 11:40, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

New Additions to common Reddy Names

Dr Vadiyala Mohamn Reddy-Pediatric Cardiac surgeon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skrm (talk • contribs) 19:29, 5 September 2007 (UTC) Dr Vadiyala Mohan Reddy-Pediatric Cardiac surgeon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skrm (talk • contribs) 19:35, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

What is the % of population and class status of Reddys in Andhra pradesh?
Two important points needed to be double checked,firstly what is the percentage of population of reddy's in present day andhra pradesh.I have seen written records of the government mentioning that the reddy population was 9% of Andhra population untill late 1980's.does anybody know how much is it now.Owing to liberal usage of the reddy caste name.the count might have doubled or tripled by now. Also regarding this reddy's being sudra ,it is useless to argue after it has been clearly stated that the reddys do not represent an ethnic group ,many strands[read communities and castes]make the reddy caste.There might be sudras,brahmins,kshatriyas,untouchables,mercentale groups among the forefathers of reddys. Secondly,If people are of the opinion that reddys are shudras because they dont have any thread ceremony.as vedic tradition brands any person who doesnt follow the thread ceremony as shudras or panchamas.people should remember that the nairs,velamas,kammas,half of rajput clans,jats,khetris,aroras,lohanas,kambhojas,marathas,kakatiyas,chalukyas,maurya..and so on.. all of whom who have once fought fierce battles,built empires.. do not have thread ceremony as part of their culture and the ceremony is not a touchstone to kshatriyahood or aryanhood and many kings and kingdoms have proudly proclaimed that they belong to the shudra class..and moreover it is not easy and appropriate to attribute class system to communities in south india..anyways, delving deep into this topic will become a book onto itself.Also one has to remember that once u are out of brahminism you are stripped of your class status too..buddhist kings cannot claim to be kshatriyas.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.77.7.2 (talk) 18:20, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

Conditions for editing
Would those who want to edit this (or any article) make sure that they give an explanation (at least in the edit summary) and sources for everything they do (either here or in the article). See WP:CITE and WP:OR for our guidelines and policies on this. Changes that are made with no explanation and source will be reverted. --Mel Etitis ( Talk ) 10:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Reply
Reddy,Telaga, Balija and Velama people are all called Kapus in common parlance in A.P., even today, depending upon the region where they are prevalent. Kapu basically means farmer/protector of lands. Prolaya Vema Reddy, a well-known king of Reddy dynasty proudly claimed that he was of fourth varna (Sudra). Please see the article. Claiming Kshatriya status and vague linkages with Rashtrakutas (absolutely no historical evidence) do not hold water.Kumarrao 12:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

That's absolutely wrong. What place of AP are you from? I stay in Hyderabad and I've never heard that either in Hyderabad or in any of the districts surrounding it. The true Reddys are linked to Rashtrakutas and are Kshatriyas. Kapus are Kapus, some have the title of Reddys; but let that not mislead us.


 * This is going round in circles. The question can only be resolved with good written sources, otherwise the article must be silent on the whole question of whether Reddys are Sudras or Kshatriyas. Kumarrao, do you have something in writing to support what you say about Prolaya Vema Reddy? It does not have to be an electronic or on-line source and does not absolutely have to be in English, although English-language sources are preferred. Itsmejudith 18:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Clarifications
A person living in a metropolitan city like Hyderabad would certainly not know the ground reality in rural areas. Even in rural areas of coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema the usage of caste affiliations has changed over the past 30-40 years. Oldtimers would certainly know this. The fact that all Census data during British times listed only Kaapus (obvioulsly including people with the title 'reddy') in Rayalaseema is an example. King Sri Krishnadevaraya in his 'Amuktamalyada' refers many times to 'Kapus' (again obviously to farmers in rayalaseema region). Old Telugu texts such as 'Rayavachakam' refers to the damage done to the crops of Kaapus by Raya's army while marching to wage war. Edgar Thurston (pre-independence India) had done a thorough analysis of South Indian castes and included 'reddy' under the section 'Kapu' Prolaya Vema Reddy's claim that he was a Sudra is present in the article itself with suitable references. This shows that 'Reddys' were once considered 'Kaapus', that they are of fourth Varna (Sudra) and basically belonging to a farming community.Kumarrao 10:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Can I clarify these points by taking them one by one?

1. You say that the census data during British rule included Reddys in Kapus. That should be verifiable but it still needs a reference to a census document which perhaps someone can find in a university library. 2. I don't understand why references to Kapus should prove anything about the status of Reddys. 3. Edgar Thurston's work is very debatable as a source in WP because it is so old and perhaps also biased. 4. Prolaya Vema Reddy's claim to be a Sudra could be relevant but in fact there is currently no reference in the article for this claim. Are there no sociologists or historians in India who have examined this question? Itsmejudith 21:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Ok Dude you want to claim Kshtriya Status for Reddys and you also wanna say that Edgar Thurston's was Biased..I guess you would go to any extent to prove your theory right and that too withou proofs... By the way there was another great Historian Colin Mckenzie who said all the Kingdoms in Coastal Andhra belonged to Kapu Naidu starting from Satavahanas... And he also mentioned about Reddy not being a caste prior to the Kakateeya Kingdom... So how come you are tracing your orgin as a Caste to Rashtrkutas Please dont make ridicullous arguments... liek kammas saying there was Kammanadu twisting the fact that it was Karmanadu and Reddys claiming that all words which rhym Reddy like Rathi,Raadi,Redu are nothing but Reddy origins ridiculous... Your gentics say you are of Dravidian Descent and Rashtrakutas unfortunately are not of Dravidian Stock...The fact of the matter is you are an offshoot of the Kapu Naidu Caste'''
 * Hi unsigned Dude! I think you're right and as far as anyone can know I am not of "Dravidian Stock". In fact I am as British as Edgar Thurston or Colin Mckenzie. Itsmejudith 08:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Reddys or Reddies?
Which is best? The article should consistently use one spelling or the other except when it is quoting other writers, or business names etc. Itsmejudith 08:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I've tried to start making it consistent; the normal English plural would be "Reddies", and I haven't seen a source that explains why that shouldn't be the case. I don't get much time to work on it though, as I'm kept busy reverting unexplained and unsourced additions/deletions/changes. --Mel Etitis  ( Talk ) 08:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Absolutely right about the consistency. At the moment I marginally prefer "Reddys", since "Reddy" is not an English word but ideally we should go with whichever is the most common spelling used by writers in English in southern India. Anybody else got a view? Itsmejudith 18:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

The trouble is that almost the only people who try to edit here have a pathological aversion to explaining their edits or giving sources... The article seemed to suggest that both forms are prevalent; if they are, then we just have to choose one. --Mel Etitis ( Talk ) 19:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Mel, do as you see fit - all your edits have been an improvement (or a valiant attempt to prevent further deterioration). I did a lot on this page at one point but there is still so much to do and I won't be able to contribute much for the next few weeks. Itsmejudith 20:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

(Thanks for your kind words.) I've found this site; they sometimes use "Reddys", sometimes "Reddies", and sometimes "Reddis"... Still, the site contains some useful information. --Mel Etitis ( Talk ) 21:02, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

hi guys why dont you look at www.answers.com and it has given some good facts about reddys

Reddy is a name and the 'y' simply shouldn't be turned into 'ies' for the sake of its plural! You don't see lists of Tonys become Tonies do you?

www.answers.com
hey guys why dont you look at www.answers.com web site for more on reddys —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yashwanthkarry (talk • contribs) 03:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC).


 * Because Answers.com is primarily a mirror of old versions of Wikipedia. --Mel Etitis ( Talk ) 09:34, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Reddys in Kerala??? The subject under 'Reddy' talks of there being Reddy's in Kerala and equates them to the 'Nair' caste of Kerala. This is incorrect. The Nairs were not merely farming heads or village heads. They were the noble castes of Kerala and were primarily involved in warfare.

Intolerance
Dear Mr Reddyuday, I have been doing editing of quite a few articles related to Telugu, Telugu language, people, history etc in a historical perspective. I got flak from a few people who have been prejudiced by caste affinities. I stopped editing articles related to certain castes. In addition, there has been rampant vandalism of certain well-written articles. Caste is a reality. One should accept historical truths, learn about past mistakes and avoid repeating them in future. Pride in one's own caste is OK but it shold not lead to prejudice towards others. I shall be glad to edit 'Reddy' article.Kumarrao 05:59, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Editing
I started the editing the article. I face many problems. Can anyone provide a reference linking Reddys to Rashtrakutas? Please participate in the discussion before making changes to the edited portions.Kumarrao 11:31, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Large portions are being deleted because of duplications, incoherence and superfluous nature of the material. Any objections or comments?Kumarrao 07:30, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


 * This is the right approach, and thank you for doing this. There may be a few points that editors will want to keep in, but we can sort that out on this talk page. Itsmejudith 11:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Invitation
Users are requested to contribute to the sections on Vijayanagar period, Kakatiya period British period etc.,Kumarrao 07:35, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Kshatriya or Sudra - no source
I have removed the mention of the position of the Reddys in the Varna system. There is no source for a statement either that they are Sudra or Kshatriya. Please, editors, don't re-add this point in either direction unless you have a good reliable source. An example of a good source would be a book about the sociology of southern India - published in the twentieth or twenty-first century, not the nineteenth. Itsmejudith 07:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I think whether its kapu Reddys referring to themselves as Kshatriyas, isn't entirely untrue or true. It is a fact that none of these castes, incl. even the Brahmins can claim to be purely of Aryan or Dravidian origin. A clue is in the skin colour. There are different tones of skin colour in most of these castes. There is exhaustive evidence to show that most castes in South India and India too, are not purely Aryan or Dravidian. Its purely a myth that some castes are Dravidian and some Aryan. Pure Aryans if at all may exist in Iran, parts of Central Asia and Europe.-- Altruism T a l k -  Contribs. 10:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sure you're right, and this is why I suggested that we need to refer to sociology, in case we can get a source that says where Reddys are regarded to belong today. Itsmejudith 10:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Kapus and Reddys
Kapu is used to refer to agriculturists/protectors of lands. It was an inclusive term which referred in one stroke to several castes. The present-day usage of Kapu is quite different from its earlier usage. It now seems that a collection of castes have adopted a common umbrella and call themselves Kapu. -- Altruism T a l k - Contribs. 12:35, 23 August 2007 (UTC) famous reddy- mention dr vadiyala mohan reddy-world famous pediatric cardiac surgeon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skrm (talk • contribs) 19:24, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

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Origin
Dear Ramanapradeep, You have deleted large amount of material from "Origin" and pased material from websites. This against Wiki policy. You must discuus the changes first before deleting large portions.Kumarrao (talk) 07:37, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

New Input
Please discuss before making large amounts of input. It is important to keep the article brief, focused and written with clarity. Can we move 'Notable Reddys' to a separate article? Kumarrao (talk) 07:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello Kumarrao. You have been doing excellent work with the article. I wouldn't say that "notable Reddys" are worth their own article, however. In my view it would be better to trim the list still further. Thanks. Itsmejudith (talk) 08:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Disgrace!
I am a Reddy. I came by this Wikipedia article on Reddys today, hoping to find some interesting information that I didn't know. Unfortunately, the whole article is in a complete mess, with hardly any scholarly or factual information, lots of hearsay, with no citations etc. The level of the article is amteurish and non-encyclopedic, far below the level expected of Wikipedia articles. Compare it to the article on Kammas, for instance (!) There were four requests for editing and reorganising the material stamped on by the Wikipedia community. Can't we do better than this? -- Uday Reddy Reddyuday Uday Reddy, 13 May 2007


 * The article needs help from people with access to reliable sources. Please help as much as you can. Itsmejudith 07:02, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately,it is not easy to get reliable sources on castes because there has been no scholarly research on them since Indian independence and the old British sources are mostly based on folklore. Do you want to believe the folklore that is incorporated here, or that written up by some British ethnographer who had a superficial understanding of the society? Take your pick!


 * I personally have no problem with people contributing the folklore in their knowledge to Wikipedia, but they shouldn't take it that their folklore is the only folklore. When there are multiple view points, it is best to discuss them  here.  My kudos to the valiant editors who have been cleaning up the article! Reddyuday (talk) 08:03, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Editing
The article is slowly gaining a final shape. I invite conributors to provide citations wherever possible. I stll feel 'famous Reddys' can be moved to a separate article.

Dear Rambo,

As I edited the article earlier, Reddys were Kapus till recently. Due to reasons of common usage, acceptance and political and historical reasons, a separate social group (caste) has come into existance in recent years. One has to recognize the facts.Kumarrao (talk) 13:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Request
The article is polished. Any major changes may be first discussed on Talk page. Additional inputs with proper citations are welcome.Kumarrao (talk) 07:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Rathi
I removed the silly reference to 'Rathi' meaning charioteers (should have been chariot-mounted warriors, really), it was clearly a confusion based on the English transcription of two different Indian words. The community is called RaaThi, whereas a chariot is a ratha. Really. How ridiculous can people get?

If somebody wants to make claims about RaaThis, please do so in the article on them.Reddyuday (talk) 08:39, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Removed unwanted sections
Removed the musunuri part as there is no reference of reddy anywhere may be its just mentioned with out any motive... Also edited some sentences regrding usage of Reddy title by communities John Rambo 04:33, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Confusion
How are the Reddys Kshatriyas and the Kammas Sudras, everything I read suggests that these two castes are either kshatriyas or sudras. I think both are kshatriyas. Anybody confirm this? Giantsrule (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 21:17, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Chaos
The article has returned to its original chaotic state. Users must discuss in Talk page before making significant edits.Kumarrao (talk) 11:52, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Addition to "Academia and science"
Dr. (Prof.) Belum Siva Nagi Reddy - Dermatologist

Dr. Yaga Venugopal Reddy - Governor of the Reserve Bank of India (2003 - present) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drviswanathreddy (talk • contribs) 19:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Aryan / Dravidian myth
Folks,

There have been numerous topics here on to determine each in their own right about whether the Reddy's descended from Aryan / Dravidian forefathers.

Important point to consider here would be that the whole premise on which it is based i.e the Aryan Invasion is itself in question (and rightly so). Researchers have amongst many varied aspects have studied on the Vedic civilization, the Vedas and the seals and murals found during this period. The conclusive evidence to these new research deems that the Aryan Invasion into the Vedic / Saraswathi Valley civilization only was a theory. This theory purported to the fancied & maliciousinterests of the EastIndia Company at the time it was devised and helped divide the population in turn helping them gain currency on their colonization of our country.

It was also alien to the belief of the westerners that there existed a great, innovative civilization with a culture far superior to their imagination at the time much before the Christ era.

Am providing a few online sources here:

http://www.gosai.com/chaitanya/saranagati/html/vedic-upanisads/aryan-invasion.html

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/death_of_the_aryan_invasion_theory.htm

Would like to hear objective comments on this.This has been posted here due to various folks arguing about the fact that Reddy's lineage traces back to the Aryans / Dravidians based on skin colour et all.

ThanksAjayreddyp (talk) 12:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Notable Reddys
Can a separate aricle "Notable Reddys'' be created?Kumarrao (talk) 10:55, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Reddy article is edited to make it brief and crisp. A separate artcle Notable Reddys is created. Users may include names of only the most prominent persons and crate new articles on their names. Discuss on talk page to make significant edits. Unexplained edits will be reverted.Kumarrao (talk) 08:00, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Cleaned up againKumarrao (talk) 11:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I am a good Reddy from USA
It is a good information page. Do not let other community people write about you as they like and do wrong to what you write good. Look at other community people, like reddy community, pages and write every thing good on our great community and present our community to North and West best. We have great values, great culture and great traditions like and by priests. Do not let any follow you, trick you and let you down. Some Reddies are North and Indo-Europeans and respect our other North and Indo european people equally good and move with them also. Upendra Reddy(Karsten Reddy) from 172, Wood Ave, Edison, NJ USA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ureddy (talk • contribs) 16:36, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Reddy is Kshatriya and Shudra
I am writing my openion based on the rsearch on previous history and my analysis: Kshatriya means ruling people, only one king could be ruled, what about other population of kshatriyas? they would be do other works i.e all are not ruling likewise all reddys have not ruled. Some reddys have rulled in some areas and some were migrated to other areas where they were doing agriculture and could be treating as Shudra. Here my intension is that some reddys have rulled in some areas thats they got Kshatriya status and in some areas they have done agriculture thts why they were treated as shudras. My conclusion is that reddy is kshatriya and shudra based on the pofession he is doing. Even brahmin also if anybody is able to achieve that profession he would be barahmin. Ofcourse in the history brahmin, vaishya professions are not affected by others but kshatriya profession is affected by Shudras. If shudras are strong enough to rule that area he would be kshatriya. All these four professions are not reserved. Any one can wear any cap but brahmins and vaishyas were not allowed to wear their cap ofcourse now a days that is also possible.--Snreddy (talk) 12:48, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, the chaturvarna system doesn't have much relevance to Andhra or other South Indian societies. The varna system was only theoretical framework for outsiders to understand the myriads of communities in the Indian society, but South Indians never actively used it to describe themselves. Since Reddys don't actively regard themselves as belonging to one varna or the other, the question is really irrelevant. Reddyuday (talk) 13:19, 20 April 2009 (UTC). Kakati (comprising KAMMA & REDDY kings) proudly declared that they belong to sudra varna having lost their status of being kshatriyas for the reason that they migrated from north, they actually are the descendents of ASHOKA. But later they realised their status as kshatriyas from the inscriptions found on the huge nandi pillar lying near the ruined temple in malkapuram, Guntur district (A.R.No94 of 1917) (in the journal of andhra historical research) which give a notes on kakatiya family as a SOLAR RACE OF KSHATRIYAS. KAMMA & REDDY are both kshatriyas and belong to no other varna as interpreted by many.

Origin
All the agrarian castes of Telugu land had the same origin i.e., ancient farming communities called Kapus. Reddy, Velama, Balija, Kamma, Telaga etc were all of the same stock, by and large. Intermingling with Kshatriya clans occurred oocasinally due to political reasons. Users should not delete references to 'Kapus' without discussing. Inscriptional evidences cannot be erased even if one deletes info from Wikipedia.Kumarrao (talk) 06:00, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Tidied up. Do not include baseless info.Kumarrao (talk) 16:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Konda Reddies and Reddy Vakkalingas are also Rastrakutas?
REDDY CASTE PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT THEY ARE PART OF RATRAKUTA FAMILY. IT IT TRUE??? I HAVE SEVERAL DOUBTS REGARDING THIS ITEM. SEVERAL KONDA REDDIES ALSO HAVE SURNAMES LIKE REDDYS, THEIR NAMES RESEMBLE REDDY CASTE PEOPLE NAMES (eg. VENKATREDDY RANGAREDDY, BUSIREDDY SUBBAREDDY) BUT WE CALL THEM SCHEDULE TRIBE PEOPLE. WHY DON'T WE ACCEPT THEM ALSO RASTRAKUTAS???. SO LIKE REDDY VAKKALINGAS OF KARNATAKA. THERE IS A CASTE EXISTING WITH THAT TITLE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.162.169.238 (talk) 09:09, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi, your question is genuine if you are really try to gather the information. If you observe some surnames of different sections(sc, st and bc) of the people, they are same as surnames of upper community people in AP, shall we treat both are same? and if you see in north india thakurs and sardars are having title as "Singh", even scs and sts are also having same title in north india, shall we treat both are same? like that here also. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.200.162.100 (talk) 13:25, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Chaos
I edited the article several times to give it a proper shape. The article has become an object of severe editing of baseless nature. I give up!!Kumarrao (talk) 15:30, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Hai Add some photos to our page
collect some fair looking photos and like white reddies pat reddy, Dr Mark reddy, Cdr GL Reddy in Canada, Australia and US and put them here to tell how we look like. Lot of world have wrong thoughts that we are not white in our blood and are black. Some people who are black and not reddy wlaking as reddy to trick our kids. Please help here. - Karsten Reddy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ureddy (talk • contribs) 5:18, 9 May 2010 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.239.13.83 (talk)

Is Reddy a caste?
DEAR FELLOW REDDYS DON'T WORRY ABOUT ANY DISJOINTEDNESS IN OUR REDDY ARTICLE. Another caste is constantly vandalizing our page and wants to eliminate the existence of our caste so that we are no a longer caste but a mere title. This is what was done to the Patel's article. I have given direct citations on the article itself, including page numbers, so no one can challenge it unless they resort to pure vandalism. I am a Reddy and I think this is ridiculous. This is malicious attempt by other castes(and I think I no which caste it is) to put down Reddys. Please reveal your caste identity before saying there is no Reddy caste so I no whom to hate for the rest of my life. My God what world are you living in. I think Kammas and Vokkaligas will be shocked to find out that they are Reddys. It is an insult to Kammas, Vokkaligas and Reddys to say we are all the same. Whenever my family or friends get arranged marriage it is with other Reddys not with Vokkaligas, Kammas Balijas etc.. There is a group of people who think that Reddy is their caste and therfore it is part of their identity. Why would you people want to destroy that. Go to any marriage bureau or website and then tell me there is no Reddy caste.

Ever'Reddy' is not a caste. All the people who have the title 'Reddy' belong to Kapu caste. Government records of old Madras Presidency attest to this fact. Reddy title is used by many other castes, although sparingly nowadays, by Telaga, Vokkaliga (Karnataka) etc.

-- You have a big misconception like few others, and you are misinterpreting facts to justify this. Only *some* percentage of the people who have the title Reddy belong to the Kapu caste. How can others who are Motati or Deshmukh Reddy's possibly belong to the Kapu caste? These are disjoint sub-castes. Needless to say, the true Reddy caste is being affected by people of other castes who are generally assuming the Reddy title: so much so that people refer to Reddy as a title. Thanks to a person's initial or family/village name that's often used to ascertain for sure who is a true Reddy and those that just have them as a title. - Read from Page 306 http://books.google.com/books?id=lYSd-3yL9h0C&pg=PA244&dq=kapu+caste&lr=&sig=2mvLWdEVvJYo-3qaYXuuaHAhXno#PPA306,M1

Kapu subcastes - Panch Reddi (Motati, Godati, Pakanati, Ghittapu, Gone subdivisions), Penta (I guess Panta),Velama etc - they interdine, but do not intermarry. That explains that over a period of time, other Kapu divisions than Kamma, Velama - integrated into Reddy caste. Anyway this manual refers to Nizam area. Its little complicated in Coastal area. Reddy Kings belong to Panta Kapu (Reddy) branch. Yogi Vemana is one among them. I never heard any relation between, current day Kapus and Panta Kapus (Reddies). In my opinion, in history, whenever, Kapu name mentioned, it points to current day Reddy people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.225.250.1 (talk) 19:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

The Kapu-Reddy thing is quite confusing. The term Kapu is very old it dates to Pre-Satavahana Period(B.C.) to the earlier migration of people from the North. The Kapu(Telega,Munnuru Kapu,Balija...)/Naidu caste seems to have originated during the period of Satavahanas. Reddy was primarily a title given to village headmen in ancient times.Just like the title Nayaka/Naidu in those days. Reddy seems to have originated from the Rashtrakuta DynasityKindom). They ruled Andhra for a few hunderd years. True The Reddys share some affiliation with the Kapu community. The Munnuru Kapu's of Telangana sometimes have the title Reddy. Some Kapu surnames have the title Reddy attached to it... And there are some common surnames which both Reddy and Kapu communities share. The Reddys of Nellore and Cuddapah sometimes call themselves Kapu because in the old days these Reddys were also called Panta Kapu,Pranta Kapu,Motati Kapu. Now they are called Panta Reddy,Pranta Reddy,Motati Reddy. Examples could be Neelam Sanjeeva Reddy he mentioned his caste as Kapu in certificates but called himself Reddy and ofcource Neelam Surname is found in Kapu/Naidu community as well. The great poet Yogi Vemana Reddy he has the title Reddy but he was a Kapu..... There is some evidence the Reddys and Kapu communities were one group in the old days which got split up and evolved as separate castes as we see them today


 * Till recently, Reddys were categorized under Kapu social group. In fact, all agrarian communities of Andhra, Velama, Kapu, Telaga etc belong to the same roots but got diversified due to social and political factors during medieval times.Kumarrao (talk) 05:37, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Reference:

Regions
The infobox is for native regions/Indian states populated with Reddys. Unless there are reliable sources documenting the presence in other countries, they should not be added in. I'm removing them now. - Spaceman  Spiff  08:18, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

"@ Matthew Vanitas" - Since when did you become an expert on South Indian Cast System...? Are you an honorary PhD holder in South Indian History or literature ??  IF SO PROVE IT.  I would like to understand the basis of your categorization - if there is one!! Just do not make false statements and claims as if you were a time traveler who saw everything since 1300's to date. For some one who claims not to be Indian has quite a lot of knowledge or shall I say 'B'lack 'S'hield about Indian Caste System. If you really are not Indian then please by all means explain what is the basis of your knowledge and what made you conclude this in particular only for Reddy community - Does your knowledge limit you only to edit articles related to Reddy community....? I dint see you editing anything else related to South India. Just because "YOU" dint find any evidence in your so called research of 2 seconds does not change the fact.

On one hand you claim that there are Reddy kings and on the other hand you have locked the  classification  on the opening page and falsely marked as "Shudras" This clearly states - you are some one who is intentionally mis-representing purely to  satisfy your selfish ego. If all  these so called classifications/observations/perceptions of yours are the outcome of delusional thoughts/day dreaming - then I recommend Therapy .

Msreddy004 (talk) 15:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Classification as "Kings, Warriors, Chieftains, and Landlords"
I've removed these terms from "Classification", as they don't seem to be justified by the article, except for possibly "landlords". Sure there have been Reddy kings, but a huge variety of social groups have produced "kings, warriors, and chieftains", but that doesn't necessarily mean that's the defining characteristic, or at all unique to them. Does anyone have any more useful term to place in the Classification? Any good examples from less contentious caste/social-group pages? MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:45, 22 November 2009 (UTC)


 * In response to:

'''READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE and YOU'LL SEE THE REFERENCES TO REDDY'S BEING KINDS, LANDLORDS, CHIEFTAINS. If you're from South India, you'll know that this is true. What's really bothering you?'''


 * Again, I agree that Reddys have done such things, but does that classify Reddys as kings and chieftans? Particularly if they're kings/chieftains of other Reddys that doesn't seem to be a defining Reddy characteristic.  And no, I'm not at all from South India, and as such I need to see actual evidence for a claim, which is part of WP anyway.  WP isn't written assuming people already know all about South India.  So far as "what's really bothering" me, I assume you're implying that I'm from some caste that doesn't get along with Reddys, but I'm not Indian at all and assure you my only interest is that Reddys be presented neutrally, and not portrayed in some glamorous fashion to make one group or another feel better.  MatthewVanitas (talk) 01:06, 26 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Please stop making that edit; nobody has yet proven "Kings, Warriors, Chieftains, and Landlords" to be accurate, so it [i]will[/i] be reverted each time until proven true. MatthewVanitas (talk) 05:28, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

"@ Matthew Vanitas" - Since when did you become an expert on South Indian Cast System...? Are you an honorary PhD holder in South Indian History or literature ??  IF SO PROVE IT.  I would like to understand the basis of your categorization - if there is one!! Just do not make false statements and claims as if you were a time traveler who saw everything since 1300's to date. For some one who claims not to be Indian has quite a lot of knowledge or shall I say 'B'lack <B>'S'</B>hield about Indian Caste System. If you really are not Indian then please by all means explain what is the basis of your knowledge and what made you conclude this in particular only for Reddy community - Does your knowledge limit you only to edit articles related to Reddy community....? I dint see you editing anything else related to South India. Just because "YOU" dint find any evidence in your so called research of 2 seconds does not change the fact.

On one hand you claim that there are Reddy kings and on the other hand you have locked the <B> classification </B> on the opening page and falsely marked as "Shudras" This clearly states - you are some one who is intentionally mis-representing purely to <B> satisfy your selfish ego.</B> If all <B> these so called classifications/observations/perceptions of yours are the outcome of delusional thoughts/day dreaming - then I recommend Therapy </B>.

Msreddy004 (talk) 03:37, 16 October 2010 (UTC)


 * You know, you could take the time you used to write the above, go to GoogleBooks, and find an actual, academic publication by a real PhD who specialises in South Asia, and then bring that information here and cite it in the article (with a proper footnote) to verify facts you want added to the article. Ranting here at me does nothing to improve the article, nor does it help to dump uncied "I know this is true and you aren't an expert!!!" material into the article.  If material is contentious and doesn't have a reputable footnote, it gets deleted.  It's very simple.  If you want to prove a point, go find a reputable footnote (not "reddysareawesome.com") to back it up. MatthewVanitas (talk) 04:09, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

"<B>@ Matthew Vanitas</B>" - That is exactly my point <B>'Einstein'</B>. When you do not have evidence to back up what you claim - why have you marked the classification as you please ? That purely show how immature you are and how low your thoughts are. I am sure someone from Reddy Community has taken you for a royal spin and I believe that suits well for a c0ward like yourself. Anyway here are a couple of links - knock your self off. . I am quite sure that is not good enough for you as your soo deep up yours 'you know what' & btw you still have to prove that you are an <B> expert </B> and the unbiased source of your reasoning (if there is ONE) to mark & lock this article's classification. Since you cannot prove otherwise by providing "quote 'reputable footnote'" it should be deleted - "Its very simple" in your own words. Oh BTW I google'd/bing'd & ask'd "Matthew Vanitas" and the result was four letter word starts with an <B>"S"</B> followed by <B>"H"</B> followed<B> "I"</B> and yes - YES you know this and you are RIGHT this <B> ONE TIME </B>, its ending with <B>"T"</B> - how true is that. Have a good day. Msreddy004 (talk) 21:26, 18 October 2010 (UTC)


 * You aren't even citing other books; your "cites" just lead back to archive pages of this page.  Further, despite your complaints the current article does ineed say "Shudra, Warriors, and Kings".  However, I fail to see how "Kings" is a "classification", particularly for a large social group, presumably not 1% of whom were actual kings.  To emphasise the "kingly" nature of one subcaste, when not all kings were Reddies and not all Reddies were kings, seems quite self-serving.


 * Since, as you correctly note, the readership has consistently failed to provide any reputable citation whatsoever for "Classification", I am now removing that portion of the infobox, due to its uncited and evidently highly contentious nature, until such time as a contributor can provide an actual [u]properly-cited footnote[/u] to back any statements of Classification. MatthewVanitas (talk) 00:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Status of Y S Rajashekhara Reddy
A question here...from when did Y S Rajashekhara Reddy become a Reddy? He is a Christian and that is auniversal fact...You are talking here of the caste Reddy, not about presons having the word Reddy in their surnames. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.242.63.4 (talk) 06:07, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Lionkingearth, 27 May 2010
Lionkingearth (talk) 22:43, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. -- Yarnalgo  talk to me 23:27, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Shakthi038, 31 May 2010
reddy category should be classified INTO 'Kshatriyas' NOT 'Shudras'

Shakthi038 (talk) 16:57, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Why do you want to do this? I am not sure of the problem with the article at the moment, so please explain a little further. Thanks. Chevy  monte  carlo  19:57, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Raghunathan2010, 10 June 2010
Reddy is not christianity and it is not sudhra.

Raghunathan2010 (talk) 20:33, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Spigot Map  20:35, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Reddys as they are known today are Kapus belongining to Chaturtha Varna i.e., Shudra. Several inscriptions testify this fact.Kumarrao (talk) 05:32, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Dear Mr Kumar Rao - Can we take a look at a few of those Several inscriptions that you are talking about....? Get back to us at your convenience. Msreddy004 (talk) 21:41, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Vrreddy, 23 June 2010
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.

REDDY community is KSHATRIAs. Not sudhra. Please change this.

Vrreddy (talk) 11:12, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * If you want something changed, it needs to be [b]verifiable[/b]. Go on GoogleBooks or similar and find us some passage in a reputable source stating that Reddys are Kshatriya and not Sudhra.  Note that blogs or fansites like "reddysareawesome.com" are not neutral, reputable sources, but reputable newspapers/journals with online presence generally are.  Why should we change something if you can't prove it to be true, and all we have is some anonymous person's opinion to back it up? MatthewVanitas (talk) 11:18, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There is another page on Reddy dynasty. I think that would make them Kshatriyas. I will look for refs.-- Forty two  You talkin' to me? 15:08, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * According to http://www.vepachedu.org/castemore.htm Reddy is a distinct caste.-- Forty two  You talkin' to me? 15:17, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

There are a lot of requests and discussion about REDDY community is KSHATRIA's or sudhra. Please remove the classification from the public version of this article until a verifiable source of information is shown in this direction. Thanks.


 * Since the Kshatriya vs. Shudra designation for many of the castes is evidently a contentious issue, please ensure you get a good, academic citation to back up whatever desigation is added to an article. That way nobody will be allowed to remove/replace that designation unless they can find a more reputable book/article disproving it.  In some cases academic research may differ, in which case "Kshatriya (footnote) or Shudra (footnote)" may be the way to demonstrate that even amongst academics it is a disputed issue.  What cannot happen is what often happens, where editors going changing designations willy-nilly based on their personal preferences without any citation to a credible authority. MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:04, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

"Ohhh Yet again the d-Bag <B>MatthewVanitas</B> Ranting nonsense".... I would love to agree those claims, but I have asked more than once to prove the reasoning behind marking and locking the classification and I quote <B><I>"ensure to get a good academic citation to backup what you claim"</I></B>. This time around please come up with a reliable source backed up by academic citation stating that "Reddy's were not kings or are not Kshatriyas" as opposed to your willy-nilly personal preferences without any verifiable publication/citations by or from reputable source(s). Good luck.Msreddy004 (talk) 22:01, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

INCONSISTENCY REGARDING CLASSIFICATION

 * Few people(e.g.Mr.Kumarao) clearly mention that kapu's(i.e. reddy,kamma,velama) belong to the chathurdha varna or "sudra".

THEN HOW COME reddy's are sudras where as kamma's and velama's are classified as "warriors,peasants and landlords".
 * If some one does not find a reasonable answer I'm going do edit kamma and velama pages and classify them as sudras too.
 * There can be no place to inconsistency in wikipedia.  anurag

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.82.119.162 (talk) 18:27, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

CLASSIFICATION OF REDDY'S
Reddy's are not shudras.A good proportion of them landlords and warriors,and the rest peasants. They have always been landholders and are considered a forward cast(o.c) by govt.of India. Morover seeing the wide range of people using the reddy title, it is impossible to classify them as kshatriyas or sudras. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Araga (talk • contribs) 17:44, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion of merger into Reddy as Reddiars are Reddy castes domiciled in TN and Kerala.
I've given a suggestion to merge Reddiar with Reddy.Give your views on this.-Raghavan(Talk) 11:52, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Requested Move
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 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move  GB fan  07:45, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Reddy → Reddy(Social Group) —Since this article deals with the Social Group Reddy and not the use of Reddy as a surname,I suggest that this page should be moved to Reddy(Social Group). Raghavan(Talk) 15:30, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. If renamed, it should be to Reddy (social group). Vegaswikian (talk) 20:38, 12 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose. There's no need for disambiguation since there's no other article titled "Reddy".  The "surname" (as much as it can be called such) is, Helen Reddy aside, derived from the caste.  —   AjaxSmack   01:33, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose No other existing article about the surname or any other usage. Propaniac (talk) 15:55, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Re to Raghavan
Raghavan, You seem to be putting up suggestions without understanding the "caste-system" of the Telugu speaking people.

First, You seem to think that the "social group reddy" is different from the "surname reddy". There are some Kapus who use the surname Reddy, which is mentioned in the Kapu article. Apart from that, Reddy is considered a seperate social group of Andhra Pradesh, as much as Kapu and Kamma is. It makes no sense to create two seperate articles (one for surname and the other for the social group).

Second, the Reddiyars of Tamil Nadu consider themselves a group seperate from the Reddys of Andhra (though derived from Andhra). The Reddiyars of the sea-belt stretch (Pondicherry, Cuddalore, etc) have their own set of customs that are different from the Reddys of Andhra (possibly owing to nativization in Tamilnadu). Therefore, in my view, there is no need to merger Reddy and Reddiar. Both can very well co-exist in peace on wiki. --= No &#124;&#124;&#124; Illusion = (talk) 12:25, 14 August 2010 (UTC)Mayasutra

why kapu community and its websites refers the Reddy is a sub caste to Kapu?
All the kapu commuities and kapu websites consists of Reddy tittle. And they provided some information about Reddy is a subcaste. and its also belongs to kapu community.

<tt> http://www.aka-us.org/akaus/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77&Itemid=72#10. Kapu Names (END OF THE PAGE)</tt>

you can refer these surnames in ur own community forums and websites. who r thinking we r different.

if we try we can more updates...almost we can get 90% of common surnames.

And as the above said..all the people who were in agriculture field are not kapus.

in the past so many other castes doing the cultivation. but all of them were not calling themselves as kapus or reddys.

still their place is there in their own communities.

The Kapu Reddy name is not belongs to their work. Its belongs to a matter of community. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.97.166.140 (talk) 11:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

""So many people says Reddy community is not related to kapu. But i dont think so. They have mistaken.""

EXAMPLE- Kurma Venkata Reddy Naidu - Reddys says he is belongs to reddy community and naidus says he is belongs to kapu community. He is Reddy as same as Kapu. Why it happend?

And NEELAM Sanjeev Reddy.- He was Listed under the Kapu community in his certificates. Then why it happend again?

As same as..Yogi vemana Reddy - Himself wrote as he is Kapu. So why he is reddy?

Means there is some relation. But,it was hidden. In 19th centuary the tittle reddy was started to get seperate as a caste.

Now way days the actuall backgroung of the community was get erased.

The American Kapu Association also refers that the reddy is a Community under the section of Kapu.

Once think yourself why the common people were there in our past in both communities. Now way days we got seperated. thats why we can not finding any relation right now.

REDDYS
--- ==KAPUS== Allada	Allada, Allam--	Alam, Ambati--	Ambati, AnkiReddy--	Akkireddi, Annapareddy--	Annapareddi, Allu Banda	Bande, Bandi-	Bandi , Battu--	Battula , Bethi-	Bethu , Bhupatiraju--	Bhupathi, Boggadi--	Bhogadi, Bommu--	Bommu , Byreddy	Baireddy, Challa--	Challa, Chelamalla---( here i hav relatives in kapu with this name.  but this was not notified in kapu names),

Chilamakuri	Chelamkuri ,

Chirla-	Cheerla , Chinnam--	Chennam , Dasari	Dasari( Dasari Narayana Rao Director), Gade--	Gade , Ganta-	Ghanta , Gaddam---	Gaddam , Goli	Goli , Gopu--	Gopu , Gorla-	Gorle , Gudi--	Gudi , Jonnala--	Jonna , Jannapu Reddy--Janapareddy , Jakku--	Jakka ,

Karri	Karri , Katam-	Katam , Katta--	Katta, Kolli	Kolla , Konda-	Kond , Kondaveeti--	Kondaveeti , Kosana---	KOSANA , Kothapally--	kothapalli , Kotla--	kotla , Kothur---	kothuri , Kurre-	Kurre, Kandula-	Kandula , Kankanala---	Kankanala ,

Lankala---	Lanka , Lingala	LINGAM ,

Maddireddy	madhireddy , Mallu--	Mallu , Mandala	-mandala , Mannem---	manyapu , Mannuru-	Mannuru , Marreddy-	maredla , Mekala	Mekala , Mogali	Mogali , Muthyala	-Muthyala ,

Narahari--	Narahari , Narala-	Narla,

Narapureddy            ( here its in reddy,not in kapu but my surname is Narapu reddy only. but im kapu)

he is reddy and name is in kapu.- Neelam Paidipala (neelam sanjeev reddy famous personality)

Padala	Padala, Pailla---	Pilla , Pasham--	Pasam , Pathuri-	prathi , Peddi--	Peddi , Peddireddy--	Peddireddy , Pothamsetti-	Pothamsetty , Puli	Puli Paidipala

Pulagam--	PULAGAM ,

Ravula- Raavi, ReddyReddy-- Reddy ,

Sana- Sane , Satti--	satti , Sirapu Siripurapu , Sunkari--Sunkara ,

Tadi-- Tadi ,

Vadde--- Vaddi , Vatti-	Vatti , Vuppala- Vuppu ,

Yakkati --Yekkanthi , Yaramala--- Yanamala, Yatham- Yatham , Yalla	YALLA , Yeruva- Yerva

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.97.166.140 (talk) 11:41, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 21:59, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Vandalized page
This is a highly vandalised page, by many people. And the interesting thing is that non-Reddies think they know our history better than Reddy!! The main fight in this talk page is about Varna status and genetic/historic origin of the Reddys. First of all, Reddy is no longer a caste with one true varna. In the olden days, Reddys were kings, warriors, poets, writers, landlords, etc. I see people are saying Reddys were farming community. They never farmed on anyone's land except their own, and they weren't labourers EVER. If you meet a Reddy in high debt, he still won't sell even a small part of his land, because to the Kshatriya, land means everything. Reddys have also been involved in merchant-work (Vyshya) in ancient times. Reddys are also highly religious, and are in majority Vaishnavs. I'd say Reddy is a caste group, with most Kshatriyas being Reddys, with some Shudras (who became headman in crisis) being Reddys. As for genetic/historical origin of the Reddys... Indo-Aryan for the Kshatriya group and Dravidian for the Shudra group. If you ever went to Tamil Nadu or even Andhra Pradesh, you can easily say Reddys are Indo-Aryan. They are at least 10 times fairer and much taller and sharper. Some Reddys look like the general population because they are not Reddys by ancestry, they are either Kapus with Reddy title or descendant of a Shudra who emerged as headman in times in crisis centuries ago. As for historical origin, there are two conflicting views : (Suryavanshi of Ayodhya, like Sainis or Kushwahas) or (Rashtrakutas of Rajasthan, like Rathores). But the truth is Rajputs are either Suryavanshi or Chandravanshi. Rathores are Suryavanshi, which means Rashtrakutas came from Ayodhya. So technically both Suryavanshi clans and Rathores are related. Both are correct. But do not speak bullshit that Reddys are low-caste Shudras and Dravidian. I know some other caste is vandalising this page, and I'm pretty sure which one. Please stop. As for edits to the article, I want the Varna status to be stated along with origin as I said. Indiamaster (talk) 04:59, 11 September 2020 (UTC)Indiamaster

Proof that Reddy is Suryavanshi -

Proof that Reddy is Indo-Aryan by ancestry -