Talk:Redondo Beach, California/Archive 1

RUHS?
I might be able to get a picture of the local high school for the 'pedia. How's that sound? NorphTehDwarf 04:52, 7 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. Just remember to include the proper licence info when you upload (GFDL, public domain, or ???). Blank Verse 12:39, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

More Discussion
I was the original (two years back) author of the Lifestyle, Neighborhood and related portions and see some of the changes Yarbles75 (North/South Portrayal note) mentions. I would say that in the last two years or so the page has also lost some cohesion and there may be some bias creeping in certain places. I'm disappointed others may be taking (gentle) digs at their neighbors. We're hardly talking about an "other side of the tracks" issue when N. Redondo dirt (empty lots) sell for half a million - better than twice the average American home price. People don't pay that much for an empty lot unless it's a great place to live.

That said, there are factual differences between the two environs that are reflected by the wide housing price variations in these different parts of the city. Unfortunate or not, in my opinion they do require note else we ignore the different lifestyles and experiences of many long-term residents (and possibly the poster?).

I'll take a stab at a few things in the coming weeks:


 * Cleaning up the page and creating better segues between sections
 * Maybe reoganizing information a bit (info on the pier is scattered about; do we have enough to create a subsection?)
 * Bias scrub: N. Redondo has quite a bit to offer and this should be reflected. Also need to clean out some potential bias.
 * Will try to research some of the unreferenced data having to do with history and diversity. There are a few books available on Redondo and the South Bay that cite references; I'll buy one and track down any local references I can.
 * Major grammar work. Looks like several updates were 'hacked' in quickly.

Glad to see the interest in the page. 68.55.186.11 18:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * And while you are at it, maybe you also see fit to add a modern picture to complete the two rather old ones? ;) Gulliveig 13:31, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I live in this area, so the next time I get around to the pier I'll get some pics. I like the wide shots, but I think I'm going to replace them because they look rather dated. ALTON  .ıl  04:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

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Discussion Goes On The Talk Page
Someone pasted this inline into the article: '''Dispute:

'First, this picture of the Horseshoe Pier née'' the Endless Pier is outdated. This photograph was taken shortly after the Memorial Day fire of 1988, which burned down most of the Pier's outer reaches from the Roundhouse on the north end (large, round, background structure, right, with enclosed cupola), and consuming some 66% of the pier structure all the way around the Pier to the "Shark Attack" gift store adjacent to Tony's on the Pier Restaurant. The Pier was completely rebuilt from 1993 to 1995 by a professional pier and dock builder out of Portland, Oregon, using 125' prefabricated, re-bar concrete pilings.'''

'''Also, the breakwater seen in this photo was extended, first, in 1983 after powerful storms, and then extended a second time after the powerful storms of January 1988, which wiped out some restaurants just before the devastating Pier Fire of the following May. This breakwater is not a surf spot, but, rather, the entrance to the three basins comprising the Redondo Beach Harbor first dredged as a "small boat harbor" commencing with a $9,000,000.00 bond secured in 1959. All surfing in Redondo Beach is due south of the Pier, and all the way further south to what is known as the Hollywood Riviera and Torrance Beach née Clifton. Moreover, I have never heard of the surf crowd in Redondo Beach ever referred to as "The Blue Pacific".'''

'''As for your "brutal localism", this does not occur in Redondo Beach, but, rather, in the waters further south from Torrance Beach off the cliffs of the Palos Verdes Peninsula. This is where the "surf gang" problems most reportedly occur, because this area is not quite as open and easily accessible to law enforcement as the long, open stretches of the Torrance Beach/Redondo Beach/Esplanade Strand just to the north of Palos Verdes.'''

Submitted by: artistsnwriters@netscape.net of Redondo Beach, California. MKV 07:19, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

North/South Portrayal
I believe that the comments below are from a North Redondo resident that wishes he lived in South Redondo and had a zip code ending in 77. 71.107.2.41 01:47, 14 October 2007 (UTC)rover I believe that there is a minor preference for South Redondo implied in this article. The South Redondo paragraph paints a vivid picture of a pleasant community, for certain words and phrases possess positive connotations in comparison to the objective tone of the North Redondo paragraph. It is as if the article is stating that North Redondo is a less desirable place to live, since South Redondo is seen in a significantly more positive light. As a current resident of North Redondo, I possess no bias for North or South, yet this slightly disturbs me, as some residents in each community show much bitterness toward the other. So I think that the paragraph should be revised by a neutral party. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yarbles75 (talk • contribs) 09:03, 23 December 2006 (UTC).


 * In fact, the parts of the article seems like an advertisement at times. --Proficient 09:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

The North/South Portrayal section was lifted from a Money Magazine article about 10 best places to live. It described N/S Redondo in the same terms as this article. The sentence about sand on the streets in S Redondo seems to be plagiarized.

As someone who has lived in both S and N Redondo, I am offended by the tone toward N Redondo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.221.224.7 (talk) 23:41, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The North-South Redondo portrayal seems to appeared racist or classist, but the anon IP should watch his words more carefully when describing a community or ethnic group. I wonder if this is also true with East L.A. and Westside L.A., the popular notions of Westside L.A., Beverly Hills and Santa Monica are white majority or highly affluent/wealthy people versus of East L.A., Maywood and Pico Riviera are the exact opposite. It's the same thing for Santa Ana, San Bernardino and Indio, these are notably "minority majority" cities that were impacted by recent Hispanic immigration and the changing economic structure brought a higher poverty level to these cities in the late 20th century. However, one may find very well-off and stable suburban communities within these communities. The North side of Redondo was affected by the closures of industrial plants in the 1990's, and the south side of Redondo was perceived to be a quaint or scenic place to live, but where most of the departed factory workers laid off from their jobs vacated during the 1990's recession. + 71.102.2.206 (talk) 13:58, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

dead sardines in the millions
missing, http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/09/local/la-me-0309-dead-fish-20110309 Rare event, thus notabe for this article --77.4.68.194 (talk) 16:58, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Diversity
Until there are references added to the section, preferably from the US Census data, I am restoring the Disputed tag to the Diversity section. Blank Verse 08:19, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't seem very diverse to me, I was up there the other day and everybody was literally either blond (probably fake blond) or asian. It was like walking into the Twilight Zone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.175.234.137 (talk) 19:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Redondo Beach was once a blue-collar community with a large number of minorities, although whites (Non Hispanic) are the majority of residents. Redondo and other beach cities in the South Bay has changed dramatically in terms of income and race. The Asian and Latino communities are more found in the inland, but the Clifton section was once known to have many Latinos, Asian-Americans and Pacific Islanders from the time the fishing and cannery plants hired a good number of Chinese, Korean, Japanese and Filipino, and even more Mexican laborers in the mid 20th century. The city may allowed blacks to buy or rent housing ahead of the national trend of desegregation in the 1960's, but separate public facilities and city beaches for whites and "non whites" was common. I overheard a few stories of Asians and blacks were told to head over to Hermosa beach, due to city signs that warn "Negroes and Japanese cannot be on this beach" in Redondo just after WWII (1945?). It is still true that wealthy whites had became a dominant part of the community in the 1990's, while working-class communities are more diverse and relocated a few miles inland to Gardena, Torrance and Carson (all have more Asians now than Redondo) towards the mainly Black and increasingly Latino parts of South L.A. + 71.102.2.206 (talk) 13:52, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * As this is a very old discussion I am removing the dispute tag. – S. Rich (talk) 18:02, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

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