Talk:Reem Riyashi

Reem El-Reyashi
Ahem; there seem to have been an article on this women from Oct. 2005, under the name Reem El-Reyashi ("there cannot be too many redirs." etc. etc., heard it before? ;-) ) Anyway, since that other article wasn´t very good (->no sources), (...this article is much, much better) ...I have made a redir here. This is what Reem El-Reyashi looked like just before I made a redir: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reem_El-Reyashi&oldid=151451184      Regards, Huldra 16:17, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Removing the links to "murderers" or "Palestinian murderers"
Why I'm doing this should be obvious in the objective sense. 70.48.47.83 (talk) 19:28, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not really obvious why you would remove those categories. Regardless of motive, what she did would be classified as murder in virtually every legal jurisdiction on earth. Motive is largely irrelevant in the assessment of criminal behaviour. I believe it's true that some people may have more or less justifiable reasons than others for committing murder. Good Ol’factory (talk) 20:33, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * So you could arguably classify the men and women of the IAF and the IDF's artillery corps as murderers, since their actions result in the deaths of dozens or hundreds of non-combatants, especially in the context of their conduct in Gaza in 2009 and this year, and in Lebanon in 2006.


 * My main point for removal was for the sake of objectivity and I suppose I should've made that clearer. The kyle 3 (talk) 22:13, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Does it meet the classification of "murder" in the jurisdiction in which it took place? Have the killings been described as murder in reliable sources? Have those who carried out the killings been prosecuted and convicted of murder (if they survived)? Those are the types of questions one would ask. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:18, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Of course not-- they're absolved of any wrongdoing and ultimately lauded by the Israeli state when they drop white phosphorus or half ton bombs on residential areas or drop 155mm rounds into the same areas because a couple of trucks from Hamas drove down the street. It just stands to reason that if this woman is a "murderer" because of her action, then the personnel of the IAF and IDF artillery corps certainly are whenever they go into combat. The kyle 3 (talk) 04:00, 13 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Sovereignty is a bitch, and the law is an ass. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:25, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Removing the link to "Palestinian mass murderers"
The victims in this case were all military, military police, or paramilitary personnel, during a period of violent unrest, on the border of a parcel of land that the israeli state militarily occupied in violation of international law. To call this "murder" under these circumstances is as nonsensical any other instance of describing IDF personnel killed in battle in Gaza or the West Bank as "murder victims". The Israeli government is not an impartial source and they're literally the only people who refer to soldiers killed in armed confrontations or during the intifadas "murder victims". 2607:FEA8:A4E0:11EC:8597:A62B:9BD1:8367 (talk) 10:33, 21 March 2020 (UTC)