Talk:Reform Boehm system

Unintelligible -- Merge?
This article has multiple issues.

The opening paragraph is a run-on sentence which makes no sense:


 * The Boehm system is a fingering system for the flute and the clarinet, as a Reform Boehm system the corresponding handle system for the clarinet, connected to a clarinet body, which has a different inner bore than in the original Boehm clarinet, with the aim of producing a different sound character together with another mouthpiece.
 * This sentence has been replaced by another shorter sentence.--- Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   20:07, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

This statement in the second section:


 * There are (essentially) two fingering systems, the German system developed from the historical clarinet, also called the Oehler system, and the French, also known as the Boehm system

-- is incorrect. There are multiple fingering systems for clarinet, and at least three are still in current use: Albert, Oehler, and Boehm.
 * This sentence has been deleted. --- Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   20:12, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

The following statement:


 * Both would not be conceivable without the clarinet, which can be described as the first modern clarinet...

--is at the same time confusing and redundant. It essentially says that "clarinet fingering systems would not be possible without the clarinet". Um, well yeah. No, that`s nonsense! The fact is: both the Boehm clarinet and the Oehler clarinet (also the Albert clarinet) take over from the Müller clarinet: 1. the countersunk tone holes surrounded by raised conical rings (twirls) 2. the leather upholstery (kid leather stuffed with felt) 3. spoon flaps instead of the previously used flaps with tilt mechanism 4. the thumb holder 5. the metal ligature The combination of 1 + 2 resulted in tightly closing flaps for the first time. Without this there would be neither a Boehm clarinet with 17 keys nor an Oehler clarinet with 22 keys. Gisel ツ please ping or talk to me 13:17, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The sentence you criticised has since been deleted ---  Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   20:17, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Much of the information in this article repeats information already developed in the Boehm system (clarinet) article. I suggest merging this article with the Boehm system article, and in the process eliminating the redundant and confusing parts.

Satisfied? -- Gisel ツ please ping or talk to me  22:34, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Section 1 of the article has been deleted, especially to remove redundancies. A merger with the article Boehm system (clarinet) would take up too much space in this article.

Article is Still Unintelligible
I am not the original author. I stumbled on this article and noticed that the "Development" section is unintelligible. The information may be accurate but it is presented extremely poorly. There has been a lot of discussion here about these issues but despite this they seem to still be present. I would be happy to work on this however I want to post here before I do because of my lack of experience editing Wikipedia articles. Esmb17 (talk) 17:51, 2 December 2021 (UTC) esmb17


 * I have completely rewritten the first paragraph of the Development section today.
 * Is it understandable for you now? - Gisbert ツ (talk)  Illustrate Wikipedia !   21:15, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Clarifications
I think the following items need cleaning up or clarification: - The system is referred to as "Reform-Boehm" throughout the article, but the article name doesn't have the hyphen - "Some brands exhibit certain differences" It's not clear which of these are common, etc. - "Eb/Bb executed as fork grip" is unclear (and jargon-y) - "extension of the key for the Gis"? - "an improvement to the low E/F key" is very vague. Special-T (talk) 23:31, 18 March 2023 (UTC)