Talk:Reformed Arminianism

Why This Page
I wrote this page primarily because Wikipedia has a large amount of information regarding Calvinism but relatively little regarding Arminianism. It is not intended to be biased in any way, and to this extent I tried to leave arguments out and use citations (if not direct quotations) for all the theological statements presented. This page contains zero original information and is intended as a statement of what Reformed Arminians believe and why (without progressing further into soteriology debates).

Please add and correct as you would like, but please leave comments regarding your reasoning. Do note that I spent a large amount of time verifying all these sources and citing them. If you wish to change a cited point, please discuss it first and list your reasons.

David Schroder 17:47, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Section: Differences from Other Arminian Systems
Please source the following claims:
 * Many Arminian belief systems reject total depravity... - "many"...such as? who are "many"?
 * Reformed Arminians hold strongly that Hebrews 6:4-6 makes a strong case for the ability to lose salvation - once. - where can one find this claim?
 * It is worth mentioning that a large body of evangelicals subconsciously hold to Arminian-type philosophies, yet also hold to a belief of "once saved, always saved." Many Southern Baptists fall into this category, although their official statement of faith refrains from discussing predestination, election, or the nature of grace. It should be noted that many Southern Baptists can be found supporting both Calvinism and various forms of Arminianism. - sounds like original research...can you verify?

It's an excellent article...well done. I'd just like to see these points sourced. KHM03 18:31, 16 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Well done...and fast! Thanks...KHM03 19:03, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Added Requested Citations
I added the requested citations, and below are some further responses not necessary for the article.


 * The "many Arminians" described would cover anyone who holds to the governmental atonement view. This includes (arguably) John Wesley, many of his followers, debatably the original Remonstrants, and many others. I should not that Wikipedia cannot conclusively determine the position of the post-Arminius Remonstrants, for  this article supports total depravity while  this one supports limited depravity. I figured that because Wiki defines Arminianism as "partial", I'd be safe...but I did add a citation where Ashby clearly supports this view.
 * The citation request for Heb 6:4-6 was good...I guess I got tired! When I started, I didn't think writing this would take so long!
 * I went back and forth several times on including the comment about evangelicals (and southern baptists in particular). I decided to add it because I didn't believe it would be offensive, non-neutral, etc. It definately isn't original, but has been part of debates for the last half century or so. Granted, it certainly did appear unsupported and original...again, I guess I got tired!


 * I did add a citation for the viewpoint about evangelical presuppositions. I also added a citation and link to the official Southern Baptist Faith & Message and a citation to a book written by a Southern Baptist comparing SBC theology to other large denominations. What I do not have a citation for, however, is the statement It should be noted that many Southern Baptists can be found supporting both Calvinism and various forms of Arminianism. I'm not sure where I'd be able to cite this, but it's pretty demonstratively true. My parents are both ordained Southern Baptist, one of my friends is at Southeastern seminary, etc. I'm also not sure that it requires citation any more than articles about Calvinism and Arminianism refer to denominations that typically fall under their sway. If anyone does feel that this statement is erroneous, non-neutral, or original, please feel free to delete it.

I hope that helps! I was surprised someone would find this page so soon after I finished writing it!

David Schroder 19:13, 16 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Most Wesleyans who hold to the governmental view of the atonement strongly affirm total depravity...see John Miley's Atonement in Christ and JK Grider's A Wesleyan-Holiness Theology (as well as many articles). KHM03 19:20, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I wasn't aware of that. Please feel free to add/cite that point, it's certainly pertinant to the article.David Schroder


 * I'll dig for the specific citations/page numbers...but now I'm signing off, so don't look for it immediately. KHM03 19:42, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Citation help
I'm new to this, and can't seem to get the citations working properly. There are currently 19 citations, but only 16 sources at the bottom. This is correct (a few sources were cited more than once) but if I wanted to look up more information, I'd be lost. Any ideas?

Merged
Merged with Arminianism. David Schroder 04:41, 28 February 2006 (UTC)