Talk:Refugio oil spill/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Btphelps (talk · contribs) 06:31, 23 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Starting review. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 06:31, 23 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Zackmann08, do you want to try to address the issues I've identified thus far below and resolve these during my review or would you prefer I fail it and you can resubmit it another time? — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 01:20, 24 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Most of the issues are very clear and can be addressed. I don't have a lot of time in the near term but over the next few weeks I could address many of the issues. Fettlemap (talk) 01:54, 24 November 2015 (UTC)


 * my apologies. I have been a little AWOL lately. Lots of stuff going on in my life... Anyway, Btphelps thank you so much for taking the time to review this! Your comments are super in depth and very much appreciated. Fettlemap I see you have already addressed a number of them. I will try to address the rest. Thank you both! -- Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 03:40, 30 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Zackmann08, I'm glad you appreciate my review. When I didn't get a response from you initially, I stopped where I was. I'll take another look in the next 48 hours to see if there's anything else needing attention. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 06:40, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * was that previous comment ment for me? -- Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 07:01, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. Wooops. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 07:08, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * So I just made a few edits to try to reduce some wordiness and to clarify actions and results. I left some comments in my summary of these edits to try to explain why I made some of these changes and why I added some "who" and "clarify" templates. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 07:57, 30 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the continued improvements! Can you resolve the topics tagged with and  ? Thanks. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 18:07, 1 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Zackmann08, so I was a little bold and completely rewrote the lede. You have likely noticed that Google et. al. excerpt the first 30 words or so when presenting search results. So those first few precious words ought to pique the reader's interest and motivate them to click through to read the entire article. I also found that there are two estimates of the original spill amount, so I put them together along with the varying total amounts spilled and the clean up amounts. I removed some info on the Santa Barbara spill from the lede as it's not really pertinent to this spill except for the current spill's relative impact on the sensitive environment.


 * Old search engine excerpt: "The Refugio oil spill occurred on May 19, 2015, just north of Refugio State Beach in Santa Barbara County, California.The oil spill originated from Line 901 owned by ..."


 * New search engine excerpt: "The Refugio oil spill on May 19, 2015 deposited 142,800 U.S. gallons (3,400 barrels) of crude oil onto one of the most biologically diverse coastlines of the west..."


 * — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 03:16, 2 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Zackmann08, the scope ought to address these issues as well IMO: (1) The article mentions tar ball cleanup. Apparently some tar balls and oil seepage are natural to the area: "Fingerprinting of oil and tarballs on the beaches has demonstrated that some matched the pipeline oil, while others likely originated from natural seeps in the area."  See here and  Natural Offshore Oil Seepage and Related Tarball Accumulation on the California Coastline and NOAA Fact Sheet: Natural Oil Seeps. (2) Update impact on wildlife. Details are here. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 04:11, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Discussions

 * Just a drive-by comment: I think downcoast is a perfectly cromulent word. It is also a concise way of getting around what would otherwise be a big problem in geographical description: the coast runs east-west there (with the land to the north and the water to the south), but people who don't know this and just have the idea that it's somewhere on the west coast of North America will be very confused by descriptions in terms of east-west, and will more likely think (incorrectly) that east is inland and west is coastward. "Down the coast", as used earlier in the article, would also be acceptable, but I think not necessary. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:16, 25 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Considering WP is an encyclopedia and not a dictionary, we shouldn't be making up words. "Down the coast" covers all options and is preferred. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 18:34, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's made up. Curiously, it's not in the Oxford English Dictionary, but "upcoast" (with the corresponding meaning) is. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:53, 25 November 2015 (UTC)


 * you stated Under "Economic" aftermath, the article states that two parks were closed, but does not mention any adverse economic impact. If there was an impact, name it. otherwise this information isn't pertinent. I think you make a good point here that if there was an economical impact it should be discussed there. I disagree that it isn't pertinent without it. Noting that two parks were closed for over a month seems pretty notable to me. Can you discuss more and help me understand your line of thinking? -- Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 03:59, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * , is there a different term besides "Economic" that could be used that also includes the significant inconvenience of two very popular state parks being closed at the beginning of the season when all campsites are full? State parks will probably be reimbursed so it is not an economic issue. Fettlemap (talk) 23:34, 1 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Are you suggesting that the oil company will reimburse the parks for their lost revenue? I think that would be a first. I think it's just lost revenue to the state, and increased costs because the parks still must be maintained while they are closed. Are there numbers available for this? If so they'd be hard to obtain unless there's a source that has already done that. You'd have to dig up what those parks typically take in during that period and how much they cost to operate. So as you suggest there might be a better way to describe this impact, e.g., "Two state parks were closed for X period of time, resulting in an unknown loss of revenue to the state.(source?)" — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 01:55, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I am not looking for that information. I am just trying to come up with a section heading better than "Economic." I just think the closure of the parks itself is notable, I just can't think of a appropriate section heading. This effected many people that plan months in advance to camp at these parks. People without a reservation actually wait at the entrance in case there is a cancellation for that day. These parks are extremely popular. Fettlemap (talk) 04:29, 2 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Well done! Thanks to Zackmann08 and Fettlemap for putting up with many petty requests and congrats on the huge improvements you've made in the past few days. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 01:08, 5 December 2015 (UTC)


 * btphelps, what is left for the nominator to do on this review? Based on the icons, I would guess that the review ended successfully, but the appropriate steps for finishing a review that passed (see WP:GANI) have not been done, so I'm assuming there's something more left to be completed. If not, then please officially conclude the review. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 22:43, 8 December 2015 (UTC)


 * btphelps I marked a few more done. Your assistance in editing the lede and such was much appreciated. I tried to address the emergency declaration comment but left if open for further work. Otherwise I think we are done (though I have a few ideas such as the political reaction when I get time). Fettlemap (talk) 23:25, 8 December 2015 (UTC)