Talk:Regulation of flamethrowers in the United States/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Premeditated Chaos (talk · contribs) 21:52, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Dibs. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 21:52, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Ok, we've done this before, you know what my reviewing style is, moving on.


 * You have info in the lead that isn't in the rest of the article (mostly the ATF classification and the Convention on Weapons thing). This should be incorporated into the body and then summarized in the lead without citations
 * This has been done. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 02:02, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The lead still doesn't fully summarize the article - there's no mention of commercial sales and attempts to legislate.
 * You were absolutely right, that was silly of me. I expanded the lead accordingly (a while ago actually, I just forgot to mention it here). Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:17, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I honestly feel like this article could do with less sectioning off. The two "attempts" sections are really small. You could probably get away with two sections tbh - "commercial products" and "regulation".
 * I agree. When I started the article I expected to find many attempts at regulation. I was shocked to learn there were quite few I could find. In general most states see no need to regulate flamethrowers. I have combined the attempts sections. I'm going to do a bit of expansion (thanks in part to the sources you linked) and will then revisit the sections again. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 00:46, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Do we know why two companies started doing commercial flamethrowers in 2015 specifically? Was there a trend for some reason?
 * From what I've seen in sources, it was a coincidence. One company stated they started making them simply because they thought it would be fun. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:01, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I might split the sentence that starts "In 2018, the..." into the guidance being issued, and its author stating XYZ
 * Agreed. Done. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:05, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Do we know when or why Maryland banned them?
 * I haven't been able to find a specific date. I know they've been banned for at least the past 20 years. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 16:57, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 * If you have a source for that, you could put it in.
 * Same re: California
 * ✅ For this & Maryland I call it done/checked if there's no sourcing available
 * I think usually it's customary to specify which party US reps are from but I won't die on the hill of it
 * Link 114th Congress
 * Linked. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 02:42, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * United States House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security has an article, incredibly
 * I am as incredulous as you were to learn that has an article. Link added. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:30, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Do we know which Senate subcommittee?
 * The Rules Committee. Specified in the article now. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:30, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Did a quick check on Newspapers.com and there's some useful sources you could be exploiting. Some may be redundant to what you already have, IDK:, , , , , (this one from 1943 makes me wonder about regulations on wartime use of flamethrowers, if any). There's more but that's just a quick scoop.
 * Musk flamethrower being seized in drug busts, Selling flamethrowers in California is bad mkay, [link.gale.com/apps/doc/A657457881/ITOF?u=wikipedia&sid=ebsco&xid=a82bfc0d Jay-Z points out the absurdity of flamethrower law], [link.gale.com/apps/doc/A613227327/AONE?u=wikipedia&sid=ebsco&xid=47d73f5d some legal theory about why Congress can't ban them], [link.gale.com/apps/doc/A660942902/AONE?u=wikipedia&sid=ebsco&xid=6101766e MAGA nuts toting them]
 * I will respond to these in order:
 * 1. Appears useful, I will incorporate some information from it.
 * 2. Also useful.
 * 1 and 2 aren't cited. Planning to use them still?
 * Both have been used to expand the article now. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:56, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 3. Doesn't provide much of use, refers to and paraphrases some of article 1.
 * 4. Appears to be useful.
 * Not cited still
 * 5. Largely redundant to 4, written 4 days earlier by the same author. So I will stick to 4.
 * 6. Interesting article, but does not seem within the scope of regulation.
 * Flamethrowers in drug busts article: provides useful information on how flamethrower owners have been getting into trouble.
 * Not cited still
 * Flamethrowers in California article: useful in that it talks about the specifics of California's regulations.
 * Jay-Z article: Not really much I can use, only a brief mention.
 * No worries if you don't think it's useful, I just thought it was an interesting point of comparison.
 * Why Congress can't ban them article: I have used this.
 * MAGA nuts article: Discusses improvised flamethrowers which appear to be linked to instructions from Elon's company, might be useful.
 * Not cited still
 * I will incorporate information from these in the next few days and hopefully get this finished up. I've been pretty busy irl but I have some time today and tomorrow. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:31, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I have now cited link 4, the flamethrowers in drug busts article, and the MAGA nuts article. Those were the three remaining articles I wanted to use. Let me know if anything else needs doing. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:42, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Jay-Z article: Not really much I can use, only a brief mention.
 * No worries if you don't think it's useful, I just thought it was an interesting point of comparison.
 * Why Congress can't ban them article: I have used this.
 * MAGA nuts article: Discusses improvised flamethrowers which appear to be linked to instructions from Elon's company, might be useful.
 * Not cited still
 * I will incorporate information from these in the next few days and hopefully get this finished up. I've been pretty busy irl but I have some time today and tomorrow. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:31, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I have now cited link 4, the flamethrowers in drug busts article, and the MAGA nuts article. Those were the three remaining articles I wanted to use. Let me know if anything else needs doing. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:42, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I have now cited link 4, the flamethrowers in drug busts article, and the MAGA nuts article. Those were the three remaining articles I wanted to use. Let me know if anything else needs doing. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:42, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I've marked off what's done - basically all that remains is to either incorporate or toss the sources you said might be useful. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 19:28, 5 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I will finish this up, for real this time, over this weekend. I apologize for taking so long, as you know I came down with Lyme disease unfortunately and that really slowed me down :(. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:29, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * No worries, man, your health is always more important than Wikipedia. The article looks great - I'm glad you took the time to bulk it up, I really think it's in a much more thorough state now. Going to pass it shortly. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 19:05, 9 July 2022 (UTC)