Talk:Rehab (Rihanna song)/Archive 1

Radio Airplay
It is gaining radio play, but there is no proof or citation if it is in fact the sixth single from her album. I believe this page should be deleted.

Disturbia
Distubia is going to get a UK release. Why would the music video be on UK itunes if the song not getting a release. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.3.202.236 (talk) 13:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

CD Single
Today the CD Single of Rehab was released on the UK, but the cover of the CD was not leaked. Why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.28.13.158 (talk) 11:04, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Confirmed single?
Is Rehab really a confirmed single? I haven't heard anything about its confirmation. I thought Breakin' Dishes was going to be the new single after Disturbia --Legolas2186 (talk) 08:28, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It's honestly unknown at this point. There is apparently a promotional email from Def Jam stating that "Rehab" will be the followup single, but as I noted on that talk page, there's no concrete evidence stating that either song will become a single.  I will say that I heard "Rehab" in a store, but I'm not sure if that counts.  :P  SKS2K6 (talk) 15:52, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Rehab goes for airplay adds next week. It is the only "official" single that the record label will be working.  If any of my colleagues choose to put Breakin' Dishes on their radio stations, that is entirely their perogative and if enough of them choose to do so and the record charts on Mediabase, then I'm all for it having its own article. --Winger84 (talk) 16:43, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

CD Cover
CD cover for Rehab has been released? Or is this a fan made cover? --&quot;Legolas&quot; (talk) 13:29, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The cover that keeps being inserted into the article is sourced to a website that fails Wikipedia policies on reliable sources, as a fan blog. Therefore, until a properly uploaded image with the proper rationale is provided, we can not use the image in this article. --Winger84 (talk) 19:35, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Chances for Rehab
What do you all think are the chances that "Rehab" will be another #1 single by Rihanna? Share your thoughts on this. Also, is there any inputs regarding the music video for the single? i saw on E! News that Rihanna performed Rehab at a Justin Timberlake concert to raise money in LA. So that means she is indeed promoting the single, thats good! Initially i thought that due to the hoopla surrounding the success of "Live Your Life" with T.I., this single may be pushed furhter back for release, but atlast its releasing then if the Radio add-on date of November 4th is correct.--&quot;Legolas&quot; (talk) 08:37, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

No...I think that rehab won't be another #1....--87.19.251.235 (talk) 18:01, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

No, not really. Well, almost everyone got this song, so probably no one would download it again or buy the CD single. The only thing that could helb Rehab is the airplay... --It&#39;s Flo (talk) 16:40, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Rehab moving up the Hot 100
Well, well contrary to popular belief, Rehab is indeed moving up the charts upon the billboard hot 100. This week it juped 30 places from 91 to 61. Though i haven't seen the video i have to give it to Rihanna, that girl has what it takes. &quot;Legolas&quot; (talk) 05:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This is not a general forum about the article. Please refrain from starting such discussions. Thank you.  Acro  X   00:16, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * wow, congrats to Rihanna!! well done Ri-Ri 220.227.179.4 (talk) 03:53, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Lyrics
I'm not sure that the song lyrics should be on here? Dt128 (talk) 13:11, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * They should not. That's copyright infringement.  Acro  X   21:32, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was just notifying that the lyrics were on here, not that i wanted them to be onDt128 (talk) 15:57, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

GOCE copyedit October 2011
Hi

During the copyedit a few things came to light that may need attention:


 * Critical reception
 * "was a stand-out on the album" - not sure what this means, but if a synopsis then surely it means "stood-out from the rest" (or similar), I have never heard anyone call something a "stand-out". The first ref does not support the text, http://uk.launch.yahoo.com/070614/33/21bkj.html, while the snapshot gives an error page.


 * Chart performance
 * I think top-ten should really be top-10, but will leave it up to the regular editors to decide. The rest of the numbers above nine are written as numerals and, although MoS is ok as either numerals or text, I really think they should follow one style unless there is a specific reason for it.

Chaosdruid (talk) 01:04, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the c/e. Both you and the User Baffle gab worked on it. About this issues stand out means that, a track that is different from the others, in a positive way of course. And about the chart performance I really think that it should stay top-ten and agree with you about the numerals thing. Again Thanks for the c/e. :) — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  16:46, 15 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi, Chaosdruid, thank you for your input and work on this article. I was unsure whether to change numbers above nine to written numbers; I started but then realised that they're consistently numerals throughout the article. "Stand-out" generally means that something attracts more attention that the things surrounding it; its in the source so I'm happy. I'm trying to find the correct article to replace the incorrect reference you mentioned; no luck yet via Google. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:21, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't really understand here? Which sentence is a problem? — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  09:30, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * If the "stand-out" was from a source it should really be in quotation marks and ref'd. The other point was about a ref which was not working when clicked, though it might not be related to that particular sentence.
 * The numerals thing is because MoS recommends anything over nine to be written as numerals, and as the rest of them are as numerals I thought perhaps top-10 might be more appropriate - it is, of course, up to you all to decide what to do about it as it is not really an issue; unless the FAR demands strict adherence to MoS on that matter (which is why I have simply mentioned it in passing :¬)
 * Best of luck on the FA! Chaosdruid (talk) 11:47, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Production and recording


"Rehab" is one of three songs that were composed and produced by Timbaland for Rihanna's third studio album Good Girl Gone Bad. During this time, Timbaland was on tour with Justin Timberlake, in support of Timberlake's 2007 album FutureSex/LoveSounds, which Timbaland had also produced. After completing a show in Chacago, the duo joined Rihanna in the studio, where Timberkale experimented with various beats and melodies. However, the session failed to yield a complete song. Weeks later, the group rendezvoused in New York. By this time, Timberkale had already conceptualized a song for Rihanna; Timbaland was also brainstorming various beats, and had decided on calling the song "Rehab". Timberlake composed the song extemporaneously, and recorded the lyrics from memory; he did not write them down. Hannon Lane co-wrote and co-produced the song. Demacio Castellon recorded and mixed "Rehab" in 2007 at Roc The Mic Studios in New York City. Rihanna's stint with Timbaland also resulted in "Sell Me Candy" and "Lemme Get That", produced for Good Girl Gone Bad. Speaking to Entertainment Weekly, Timberlake stated that he believed "Rehab" to be the "bridge for [Rihanna] to be accepted as an adult in the music industry". Rihanna told Robert Copsey of Digital Spy that she enjoyed working with Timberlake, and learned much from the sessions. She said, "Working with Justin in the studio is just great. He's a fun guy and likes to make all the sessions enjoyable. He's also such a genius when it comes to lyrics."


 * After reading the interview in Entertainment weekly, this is what I gathered. I did this in only a couple minutes, and it's not copyedited. Feel free to use all or most [or none] of it, or edit it mercilessly. But this is what I was looking for, essentially. For you to tell a story about how it all came together. Oran e   (talk)  23:59, 22 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Wow, you are a genius and i mean it. Jivesh 1205 (talk) 08:31, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank You. Marvelous !!! — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  11:37, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, you guys. In the coming days, week, I may see what I can do for some of the other sections. Oran e   (talk)  22:54, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Music technicalities
It's in G minor, not G-sharp minor (which would be a 5-sharp key signature). F3-B♭4 is the song's vocal range, not Rihanna's. (It would be unusual for a professional singer to have a vocal range much less than 2 octaves). --Stfg (talk) 19:09, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No, her vocal range is F3-Bb4. With Rihanna, she doesn't always show much range. For example, her range in S&M is merely 1 octave, from B3-B4. I'm very well resourced when it comes to vocals. Rihanna's vocal range, as a whole, is about the 3 Octave mark. She shows 2 octaves on Talk That Talk. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 15:58, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * If her vocal range is around 3 octaves (quite believable for a professional singer) then it's more than F3-Bb4, which is merely the range used on the printed source. In the Rehab video on YouTube, Rihanna actually uses the range F#3-B4. --Stfg (talk) 16:41, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You're completely missing the point. Just because she has a 3 octave vocal range (which she has shown studio and live over 6 years), it does not mean that every song she sings demonstrates a 3 octave range. And I know what videos you are talking about, but that I would not trust what he says, I'd go by me instead. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 16:52, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * What? Is she 3 octave on "Rehab"? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:54, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No. Jivesh, listen to this which demonstates 3 octaves. You then listen to Rehab then you should be able to hear for yourself that Rihanna does not demonstrate a three octave vocal range on Rehab. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 17:05, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course. That's impossible. I read somewhere today that on "1+1", Beyonce does only one octave in the youuuu. So this cannot be 3 octaves obviously. Lol. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 17:10, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Beyonce doesn't go very low on 1+1. Did you ever watch this? I've had 15,000 views on it now. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 17:12, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You made those videos? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 17:14, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Those 2 Beyonce ones, yeah. That is my account. I thought you knew that? Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 17:19, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe I forgot. I am going to watch all of them one by one. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 17:21, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I am a also a "retired" YouTubeR ... I made this, even its not so watched, it's one of my best works. And this conversation become so fan crufty so it will probably be removed xD ! — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  17:26, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Let's just note some documented facts, please: OK as to the facts? Well, note that the sheet music does not say that Rihanna's vocal range is F3-Bb4, just as it does not say that she plays the piano and the guitar. It merely says that's what the song is scored for. (In fact, in the video she uses the range F#3-B4). So in the copy edit I corrected that error and I also corrected the key in the article to what it says in the sheet music source. Then, the opening paragraph if this subsection explained why.
 * 1) When I came to copy edit the article at Tomica's request, I found this version of the article from 4th December, and that is the version I copy edited.
 * 2) The "Composition" section of that version began with: ""Rehab" is a mid-tempo R&B ballad with a subtle beat.[8][9] According to the digital sheet music published by Sony/ATV Music Publishing, the song is written in the key of G♯ minor and is set in common time with a moderately slow groove.[10] Rihanna's vocal range spans nearly an octave and a half, from F3 to B4.[10]"
 * 3) FN10 in that version is still FN10 in today's version, and it points to this sheet music. (The link is the original, because the archive loads slowly and sometimes not at all). Please scroll down below the music itself to the information section, where its lists "Instruments" as "Voice, range: F3-Bb4 / Piano / Guitar" and says "Original Published Key: G Minor". Please note also that, to the right of the music, there are buttons you can click to get transpositions to other keys. The last one of them is G# minor. If you click this, you do indeed get a new page of music in that key.
 * 4) In that version of the article, and also in the current version, the "External links" section links to this YouTube video of Rihanna singing Rehab. Notice that the first two notes she sings are B♮ then G# -- she is singing in G# minor (but note: that is WP:OR).

@Calvin, you said: "I know what videos you are talking about, but that I would not trust what he says ..." But in the video I've just given you the link to, there is no "he" saying anything. There is just the song. So I suspect you didn't know what videos I was talking about.

Also, at the time of the copy edit, I didn't know Rihanna's vocal range, I just speculated that it would be at least two octaves, because professional singers seldom if ever have less. And now you tell us it's three -- good! I believe you already! So we agreed all along that it's way more than one and a half! So, when you contradicted me at the top of this section, what did you think I had said? What I think you meant is that F3-Bb4 is the range she uses in this song. But the source (the sheet music) doesn't doesn't say so, and in the Youtube video linked for "External links", she in fact uses a range a semitone higher than that. --Stfg (talk) 19:50, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought you was talking about a vocal range video for Good Girl Gone Bad. Simply as. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 20:09, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

FN35
The WebCite archive gives a blank page. The main page is the current version, which no longer supports the claim. (Is it actually important to say that Rihanna was the first to reach 8 top-20 songs since Shania Twain, given that "Rehab" is her 12th?) --Stfg (talk) 19:09, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Well it was nice to have it, but it was probably removed from the Billboard website. So yeah I will remove it. — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  19:32, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

UK chart dates
Source in FN41 says that Rehab entered the charts on 29 November 2008, but this, which is more comparable with FN42, already has it at #51 on 23 November. I think FN41 should be swapped out and the date listed as 23 November. --Stfg (talk) 19:09, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't understand what are you saying, so could you do it for me? — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  19:32, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Done (it's now FN40), but I haven't made an archive URL, as I'm not familiar with the archive site you're using. Please could you do that? Go right ahead if you like. I won't need to touch that section again this evening, so we won't have an edit conflict. --Stfg (talk) 19:56, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure. I will archive it right away. — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  20:00, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Comparable numbers
WP:ORDINAL (a section of MOSNUM) says "Comparable quantities should be all spelled out or all figures", so I've converted all chart positions, even 9 and higher, to figures. --Stfg (talk) 19:09, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, I've just changed numbers below nine to words - I noticed some had been changed and others hadn't. Now I know why you've changed them over. So I've just reverted my edits. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:22, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

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