Talk:Rehabilitation (penology)

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Tough questions
Has anyone yet asked the questions "Where do these people come from?" and "Would this happen at all if the entire population were to be continually screened by the Military?

In making the statement "Give us your poor and your starving masses." where did anyone think the starving masses came from, another planet?

Is there another 'force' here working continually - against - the people of the planet which prevents us from regulating the planet effectively?

Does this have anything to do with 'religion'?

Why does the word 'crime' exist at all? --Ian Chattan 09:31, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Lotta interesting questions, Ian, but mostly without any direct answers. The "starving masses" presents, "there is opportunity here" but at that time travel and communication were much less than today. The term, "rehabilitation" has only to do with restoration (to normal operating condition) and doesn't mention religion. The word "crime" exists to communicate with, it is a subject that comes up in various ways through most societies.  Some way of communicating in the area is wanted and the word "crime" seemed useable.  So there you go, if it wasn't that word it would be some word because people want to communicate in the area. Terryeo 21:37, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ian, Terryeo - you two should read up on hucksters, travelling medicine shows, P.T. Barnum and the like. Lord knows there's little difference between that old time stuff and what you're shilling. It'd help that little act of yours flow a little more naturally & seem a little less obvious and you might even get in a few more suckers. LamontCranston 16:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Needs more information
It would help immensely if there was a history of criminal rehabilitation, notable figures of the rehabilitation movement, examples, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.85.237 (talk • contribs)

I agree in the need for examples, so thought the article could use a section about examples of rehabilitative practices. Added an Applications section to start it off. --GoldenR14 (talk) 05:43, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

The third paragraph in American legislation makes many notes to recent studies, as well as providing many statistics. However, no sources are added to support the claims. Connorcbarry (talk) 00:58, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Also, the methods section seems less aimed at actual methods for rehabilitation and more focused on a dead source [2] and basic prisoner rights. The only stated application of rehabilitation being the success of Norway.Connorcbarry (talk) 02:28, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Transition from punishment into rehabilitation
I need some informations about the time that prisons in American change their program from punish prisoners into rehabilitation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.244.19.242 (talk • contribs)

good info in prison article
I don't have time to do this now, but it's easy to improve this article by copying what's at Prison --Espoo (talk) 20:54, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Link to a bibliography
I'm not up on Wiki technology, but: What are listed as References seem to be footnotes. A link to a good bibliography of older books is at http://law.jrank.org/pages/1938/Rehabilitation-BIBLIOGRAPHY.html Pring (talk) 23:41, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion to Address Rehabilitation View Points
Perhaps it would be useful to address differing views on rehabilitation among various countries, states, and local governments? Because although the article addresses the difficulties involving rehabilitation, it does not provide any information on how various entities have addressed these difficulties. Perhaps find a few governments/societies with drastically different views and policies on rehabilitation with the end result being to present how rehabilitation has been shaped by key players and attitudes? BrickWallBartholomew (talk) 03:23, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

The page could potentially address the actual implementation of reform programs like it does with Norway. The only mentions in the United States are of statistics such as a GED reducing recidivism rates. Specific examples of implementation could help show how these policies are being used today and the potential they could have in the future. Connorcbarry (talk) 02:36, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

POV
This article is extremely biased. See for instance: «Humanitarians have, over the years, supported rehabilitation as an alternative, even for capital punishment». This unbelievable sentence seems to disregard that capital punishment is abolished and abhorred my most civil countries. The whole article forgets that rehabilitation is a basic principle of human rights: for instance it's the basis of the whole penal system in the Italian constitution «Punishment cannot consist in treatment contrary to human dignity and must aim at rehabilitating the condemned»; also, compare the German article where it's considered direct consequence of the human equality and dignity in the constitution, «Everyone has the right to life and to inviolability of his person. The freedom of the individual is inviolable. These rights may only be encroached upon pursuant to a law». Nemo 20:28, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not surprised at all. But this is so bad that it is close to being funny. Facepalm (yellow).svg --Niabot (talk) 21:38, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Another odd statement, under Practical Difficulties, "there is no sound scientific research to determine how different individuals react to the same rehabilitating methods." This is inaccurate and misleading. There is quite a bit of "sound" scientific social psychological and sociological research on how different individuals react to the same rehabilitating methods. The problem in this area is combining all of what we know into effective screening and administrative solutions that don't cost a fortune and are possible to implement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoDee Dee (talk • contribs) 17:54, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Prisons failing!
Prisons are failing in the rehabilitation process of inmates. Studies have shown that inmates who sucessfully complete rehabilitation programs while incarcerated have a lower recidivism rate. Rehabilitating inmates before releasing them back into society is the only way to protect society. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justdrea2012 (talk • contribs) 03:34, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Article Evaluation for Further Work
Note: I hope to come back to this article later to make some of the changes I discuss below, but for now, I am only mentioning these changes so that others might see them and so that I can remember my impressions of the article.

While the lead of this article is concise and informative in many ways, I believe it fails to articulate enough on the last sentence - the goal of rehabilitation - given that rehabilitation itself is a goal. There is also no layout of the sections of the article at all, which I think could be helpful because the sections themselves are not very thorough.

I think a variety of perspectives are presented, though I think that the criticism section could use some expansion given that many sources I've seen and people I've heard speak on the matter believe that rehabilitation itself needs a rehabilitation. The current criticisms focus on negative aspects of the system in place, but do not provide alternatives or improvements, which I believe can be found in spades with a bit more research.

Most of the sources seem reliable and relevant, although I question the Huffpost and The Daily Beast as reputable and reliable sources of news. I don't know how those sources are viewed in this community, and would love feedback on that.

The talk page suggests more criticism of rehabilitation, which I fully support, and also asks for a more thorough history of rehabilitation in the function of prisons.

I also think that more international rehabilitation research could be done. The information on other countries is quite sparse, and some of the countries mentioned as well as some not mentioned have quite successful rehabilitation programs that could be referenced.

There are no images on the page. Though I am not sure how many images exist depicting the reality of the rehabilitation system, it might be nice to find some media on the matter, if only of the facilities of prisons or rehabilitation centers or buildings.

I think the article provides a decent skeleton for what it should be, but feels rather un-fleshed in many ways. With some work, which I hope to contribute to, I think that these bones could make a very nice source.

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