Talk:Reims Cathedral

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In the following paragraph, the measurement of currency is pounds. :) Since the Révolution Française establised the franc well before 1875, why is it not used?  The pounds measurement might be better used (in conjunction with modern dollars and euros) as a contemporary equivalent. "'In 1875 the French National Assembly voted £80,000 for repairs of the façade and balustrades. The façade is the finest portion of the building, and one of the great masterpieces of the Middle Ages.'" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kbolino (talk • contribs) 05:00, 27 May 2005

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Labyrinth rationale
It is probably excessive to link the labyrinth directly to the architects, as it clearly served a liturgical function in the Late mediaeval, discussed extensively by Yale's Professor of the History of Music Craig Wright, in his The Maze and The Warrior. A considerable number existed, and some important ones survive, such as the Westminster Abbey Cosmati Pavement. The symbolism implied is part of the later Freemasonic identification of the hypothetical roots of their creed, which remain unproven: until such claims are documented by hard evidence, I would suggest a looser phrasing be sought on NPOV grounds. Indeed, it is probably more defensible on the basis of purely historical evidence that the anagogic nature described by Craig Wright and overtly stated in the Westminster mappa mundi is more in line with the alchemical practices of the period, which may then have been picked up by the Freemasons in the beliefs of Newton and Leibnitz. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.196.68.145 (talk) 22:17, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Change date of coronation of Charles VII in picture
The picture in question shows Charles VII's coronation in 1429, not 1422, this is evident as Joan of Arc is in it. Joan of Arc did not appear until 1425, the coronation depicted took place on 17th July 1429. sources: C. Allmand, The Hundred Years War (Cambridge, 1988) p. 33-4

To quote the wikipedia article "After it fell the English held Reims and the Cathedral until 1429 when it was liberated by Joan of Arc which allowed the Dauphin Charles to be crowned king on 17 July 1429." which contradicts the 1422 date given for the picture. (Fdsdh1 (talk) 18:23, 30 March 2013 (UTC))
 * Thanks for correcting me and alerting me to this. When I reverted you, I only looked at the beginning of his reign. This is a good example of how a little edit summary can be of help. I reverted my change, and fixed the coronation date on the Charles VII article as well. Eric talk 20:16, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

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Archived material
Chapter I: In which our ingenious Wikipedia editor gouges out a big list of every king crowned at Reims Cathedral. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  01:30, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

This building?
The building preceding "This building" is the Basilica di Santa Maria Maggiore. So unless we mean to confuse or be opaque, we should clarify what 'This building' is. Alanscottwalker (talk) 18:19, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, good catch! Sorry, I guess I wasn't reading that passage as thoroughly as I thought. So in your latest edit you are referring to Notre-Dame de Reims as "Reims' St. Mary's", yes? I get that, but it could trip some people up who don't already have Notre-Dame, St Mary('s), Our Lady, Santa Maria, etc, as interchangeable in their heads. Should we maybe put it back to your "the Reims church, measuring..." (insert sheepish emoji here). Eric talk 21:51, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * That's fine. Alanscottwalker (talk) 22:22, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

File:Cathedrale de Nothre Dame.ogg
The file name of the attached sound file "Cathedrale de Nothre Dame.ogg" is written wrongly. There shouldn´t be an "h" in "Nothre". This letter has to be deleted. As far as I know the cathedral is named "Notre Dame". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.14.150.138 (talk) 04:26, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Edits - the nave
Eric, thanks for your constructive edits. I do have a question about one edit: you describe the nave as if it's the entire main floor of the Cathedral, but technically the nave is only the area  between the west end and the transept. The transept is not part of the nave, nor is the choir. For clarity, I would to change that part of the sentence back to its original form. Cordially, SiefkinDR (talk) 18:07, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, yes, that was an inadvertent blunder. See what you think of my reword. Eric talk 19:04, 30 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that works just fine. Cordially, SiefkinDR (talk) 20:15, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Spelling of "facade"
Why has the spelling of "facade" in this article been changed from the common English spelling to the French spelling "façade"? According to Merriam-Webster and the Oxford English Dictionary on-line, "facade" is the correct English spelling, though they both note the French variant. The Wikipedia article on "Facade" also uses the English spelling, while noting also the French variant. We don't use French terms or spelling for the other features of the cathedral, such as flying buttresses and rib vaults. I think we should stick with the common English spelling. Cordially, SiefkinDR (talk) 09:51, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You've written this on your own talkpage, so it's good I've seen this. I added the ç, because my (English language) spell-checker shows the c form as incorrect. The Oxford English Dictionary I'm looking at (2nd ed., online) lists the word as façade, n.: a. The face or front of a building towards a street or other open place, esp. the principal front. Also attributive or as adj., of an architectural design concerned with elegance, etc., in the façade of a building alone. It also lists façadism n. the practice or principle of designing a building with elegance only in the façade. It supplies a number of quotations indicating usage from 1656 onwards. Only the 17th-century instance is spelt without the cedilla. Feel free to change them back though. GPinkerton (talk) 18:00, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for redirecting this. Opinion on the spelling of facade seems divided. Encyclopaedia Britannica has it as "façade" in the article on facades, but spells it "facade" in the article on Reims Cathedral.  Collins English Dictionary and Oxford Lexico Dictionary spell it "facade".  The Wiktionary of Wikipedia also spells it as "facade". I think either version is correct. I just don't see any compelling reason to change it from the way it was written to the French spelling. Cordially, SiefkinDR (talk)
 * I've seen it both ways everywhere in English. Here, if it comes up, I just try to make it consistent within a given article. Eric talk 01:27, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Excessive big pictures
The pictures in used in this article are excessively big ones. These pictures should be reduced to standard sizes, to fit the need of the readers.

Downside of the excessively big pictures is that they cause white areas and tend to take over the screen, especially for people with smaller screens. The Banner talk 18:30, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The size of the pictures is not excessive; it is suitable for the subject and is used in many other cathedral and architecture articles. It allows seeing detail and comparing multiple images and does not require enlarging every picture. I oppose making the images smaller. Respectfully, SiefkinDR (talk)
 * Just one double-click and you have the full picture with all the details. The Banner  talk 19:54, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Taking a fresh look at the article just now, I think it has too many images, this despite how good many of them are. I'm on a decent-sized monitor, not necessarily seeing a lot of white space, but I can imagine that reading the article might be problematic on a smaller screen. Not sure what exactly to suggest, though. Eric talk 03:21, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * There is a reason behind the standard sizes for infoboxes and thumbs. Main part is that they are scaleable depending on screen size, font and zoomleven, contrary to the fixed size pictures used now. The Banner  talk 13:02, 10 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't think that readers should have to double-click on every image to make it visible.SiefkinDR (talk) 12:43, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The pictures ARE visible. You have to double-click to get the fill size version. The Banner  talk 14:56, 10 July 2021 (UTC)