Talk:Reincarnation

Edit request
Someone please add a sentence using this as a reference here. I dunno how.

Phrasing of lede paragraph that lists religions with reincarnation
@94.187.248.13, I noticed that you made some edits to the lede without any edit summary. I think the logical flow for this paragraph is to start with Indian religions in the first sentence, then put all other religions in the second sentence. There are certainly other ways to do it, but it doesn't make sense to include paganism in the list of Indian religions. Justin Kunimune (talk) 14:44, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

@94.187.248.13, you've repeatedly reinserted "and Pagan" into that sentence with only the edit summary "Most Hindus and Pagans believes in rebirth. Most other Hindus and Pagans believes in afterlife." To reiterate, no one is contesting that statement. What we are contesting is whether pagan religions should be mentioned in that sentence. The sentence starts with "Reincarnation (punarjanma) is a central tenet of the Indian religions...", so bringing up the word "pagan" (which is typically used in Western contexts) makes no sense. Anyway, that some pagan groups believe in reincarnation is already mentioned in the following sentence, so I don't understand why you so strongly want to include it here. Justin Kunimune (talk) 12:51, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Rebirth in Vedas and Sangam Literature
Reincarnation is corroborated in Vedas and also in ancient Sangam literature written in Tamil. Some of the examples are Rig veda 10.58.1 and Yajur Veda 19.47 mentions Rebirth. Purananuru mentions Rebirth and also Good kings attaining Moksha (Indra welcoming King Ay Andiran to Heaven). So i would like to add this ander the topics of Hinduism. Sastri676 (talk) 15:22, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Not a reliable source. --Hob Gadling (talk) 11:59, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Evidence for reincarnation in the Bible
Translated: https://bibliaelemzes-blog-hu.translate.goog/?token=5a1477d4f5a93a87af6c6a90b09f459e&_x_tr_sl=hu&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=hu&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Original: https://bibliaelemzes.blog.hu/

e.g. (translated) Book of Jeremiah 1:5 /714./ “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you came out of the womb I sanctified you; I appointed you as a prophet among the nations." In other words, life does not begin with conception, new life continues with conception. 89.134.100.78 (talk) 11:45, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Not a reliable source. --Hob Gadling (talk) 11:59, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Problems
There were some personal interpretations of passages from the Bible that I have removed. However, there remains a passage that reads more like a personal essay trying to prove a certain position than an NPOV Wikipedia section: As can be seen in the below footnote, two authors, Macgregor and MacLaine, are said to be making "allegations" for their opinion. If this is to be kept, it surely need to be written in a more scholarly manner and in a less tendentious way. Surely, a contentious matter such as this deserves better sources. Berig (talk) 13:09, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * In Greco-Roman thought, the concept of metempsychosis disappeared with the rise of Early Christianity, reincarnation being incompatible with the Christian core doctrine of salvation of the faithful after death. It has been suggested that some of the early Church Fathers, especially Origen, still entertained a belief in the possibility of reincarnation, but evidence is tenuous, and the writings of Origen as they have come down to us speak explicitly against it.