Talk:Reince Priebus/Archive 1

What kind of name is "Reince Priebus?"
Could someone please mention either here or in the main article what ethnic extraction his parents are from? I seriously can't be the first person to look this up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.103.244.218 (talk) 06:16, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I came to the article wondering the same thing.   Will Beback    talk    07:42, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I did a lot of searching for news coverage on him to expand the article earlier this week, and I did't run across this information. BTW, his middle name (or maybe his first, its not completely clear to me if he switched it around) is Reinhold (he's listed as Reinhold R. Priebus in this U Miami alumni doc).--Milowent • talkblp-r  16:56, 6 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Maybe its German? Preibus is the Germanized name for Przewóz, a village on the Poland-Germany border (see also Klein Priebus, which lies cross the river from it, and Przewóz (disambig page)). Google translate says that Przewóz means "carriage" in Polish.--Milowent • talkblp-r  17:12, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Prussian? 199.2.126.188 (talk) 22:56, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Is there a way to change his name? His name is Reinhold, yes -- Reinhold Richard Priebus. He also was born in '72, not '73 (according to a Wisconsin public search, anyway) . Sdbbd (talk) 05:00, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The article name can be changed if we can find a reliable source to prove it. His lawfirm site says the name is Reince R. Preibus so we've gone with that. 1972 seems to be right based on the 1990 graduation date from high school which i confirmed earlier, but we need something citing it ideally.--Milowent • talkblp-r  05:08, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No need to change the article name, "Reince Priebus" is the name he's known by since at least 1998 . What does need resolving is: (a) whether his "birthname" should be changed to "Reinhold Richard Priebus", and what source we have for that, and (b) if when and why he legally changed his name to "Reince" - it may simply be a nickname which has become a "real name" via common usage (talk) 01:03, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * It appears we have reliable sources (law school documents) for Reinhold as a first name at birth and R. as a middle initial. Do we have any sources for "Richard" as a middle name? If Richard is his confirmed middle name, than the lede should clarify that "Reince" is a nickname, with "Reinhold Richard Priebus" as the birthname per WIKI:MOS for nicknames. Until confirmed though, the R could stand for Reince, i.e. Reinhold Reince Priebus. Rillian (talk) 15:24, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Reince and I were classmates at University of Wisconsin Whitewater. Reince told me that his name was from his Greek origin. I also recall Reince telling me that Reince was a nickname for Reinhold. Forgive my faux pas, for those here. I am new to the wiki environment. But I heard on Public Radio that less people were applying to be users and administrators and wanted to participate. I will read the user guidelines. I have paper documents that will verify the facts that can be proven and will read the Help sections to learn about using them to cite my sources.EPWattleworth (talk) 20:33, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Your memories, of course, are not verifiable and thus do not constitute reliable sources. What kind of "paper documents" are you looking to use? -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  20:51, 1 August 2012 (UTC) (proud Cheesehead)
 * Thank you for your accommodation of my newness to the process. I have class schedules, chorus programs. This link appears to be a 2011 Wisconsin Assembly Joint Resolution, naming his parents Richard (Roula) and Dimitra Priebus. Dimitra being a traditionally Greek name.  and  denoting his father's name as Roula. EPWattleworth (talk) 21:33, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The class schedules and chorus programs are unfortunately hard to pass as verifiable: was there nothing printed in the Royal Purple that would pass muster, either while he was a student or since he has achieved fame? I agree that the 2011 AJR would lead one to deduce that he is from a Greek heritage: but unfortunately that very deduction is original research and synthesis, something we are forbidden to do here. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  13:44, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Understood regarding acceptable sources. Unfortunately "The Royal Purple" - student newspaper of the University of Wisconsin Whitewater, does not have archives available on the web mentioning Priebus according to my search. I imagine they do not have digital archives of the 1993 spring issues. The University Library may have digitized back issues, but I don't think the student newspaper staff has chosen that challenging and time consuming task. I wrote for the newspaper as a student 1993/1994 and it was created in Pagemaker3 layout software on a Macintosh Classic. Searches do not produce a mention of Priebus in the alumni magazine either. There may be some notations of serving on the alumni board, donations, or biographical updates. I receive the paper copy so I'm not able to make a digital search or a hyperlink to such sources if they exist.EPWattleworth (talk) 13:06, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If it was published in hard copy, that's perfectly fine; I can't imagine that the Andersen Library and the Royal Purple themselves would not have hard-copy archives that could be consulted. There is no rule that references in Wikipedia articles must be backed up with internet links. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  13:06, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Like people who chose their own names, Reince is a pretty perfect stage name for an "RNC" (rrr-nnn-cee) chairman. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:07, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * denoting his father's name as Roula Interestingly (maybe), 'Roula' is a Greek feminine nickname. Unfortunately, the source you cite for this is behind a paywall. --anon 71.183.137.60 (talk) 16:33, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Reince told me that his name was from his Greek origin. I'm a Greek-American and I can't think of a Greek name I've heard that resembles 'Reince'. --anon 71.183.137.60 (talk) 16:27, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I've searched the online archives of Ethnikos Kirix and The National Herald. Unfortunately they require a subscription but I found one Greek-language article that is available in its entirety for free that was written when he became the chair of the RNC . It doesn't mention any Greek origin for 'Reince'. --anon 71.183.136.31 (talk) 14:32, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

I would appreciate an addition that tells how 'Reince' is pronounced. --anon71.183.137.60 (talk) 16:17, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The pronunciation and a source are added to the 'Early life' section. —ADavidB 15:58, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --anon 71.183.136.31 (talk) 13:15, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Added link to a 1215 millisecond OGG audio snippet of the man introducing himself, "... I'm Reince Priebus ...". Someone adept at IPA mark-up should also add that and perhaps move the entire pronunuciation business into the first sentence of the lead section. &mdash; QuicksilverT @ 16:34, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Three more sources that support Reince Priebus' parent name as Richard: THE ORTHODOX NEWS. PAGE 21 UPPER RIGHT CORNER: http://issuu.com/orthodoxmarketplace/docs/orthodox-observer-1263-febmar-2011/search?q=reince+priebus THE KENOSHA NEWS:http://www.kenoshanews.com/home/reince_priebus_from_tremper_high_school_to_the_national_stage_85311808.html AND: http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2435789 I ALSO FOUND A LIST OF CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTERS. It lists a Roula with an address of his parent's home in Pleasant Prarie. It also lists a Richard with the same address. Lisad111 (talk) 01:24, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Since his name is very famous, and the introductory topic of every article published about him, and apparently here as well, I added a brief section devoted to his name. Cheers.68.45.174.58 (talk) 20:30, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, but I have removed your contribution because there were multiple problems with it. Primarily it was written far outside the bounds of WP:NPOV, and lacking that blacklisted link it needed better sources. This is a WP:BLP, where we take sourcing and neutrality extremely seriously. I am sure you'll understand, you seem to be an experienced editor, after all. Elizium23 (talk) 20:38, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Vandalism will get you BANNED. This is your ONLY warning, you worthless scumbag BIGOT and RACIST!68.45.174.58 (talk) 22:49, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * This kind of response is hardly appropriate. Calling people scumbags for reverting you isn't going to elicit a positive response, and in no way has bigotry/racism presented itself. The revert was not vandalism either. Perhaps you need to take a break for a bit? Dustin  ( talk ) 22:56, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Birthplace
Heavenlyfodder (talk) 17:55, 16 January 2011 (UTC) Can anyone confirm that he actually was born in Kenya? I suspect that he was actually born in Kenosha, WI, and somebody changed it to Kenya as a joke (i.e., a reference to allegations that President Obama was born in Kenya). Perhaps someone can ask to see his birth certificate, just to be sure?
 * His parents did meet in Africa I believe I read somewhere. Wouldn't it be hilarious if he was actually born there?--Milowent • talkblp-r  17:13, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * maybe he was conceived there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.131.47.85 (talk) 17:31, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Has he ever done anything?
Has he ever held elective office, or run a business, or done anything significant other than being a party official? Usually that job goes to someone who's held a major office. There must be something more for the bio. --John Nagle (talk) 18:39, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, he's been a practicing attorney since 1998 at a big law firm, now a partner, so he's a business owner of sorts. But that's basically been his professional career since leaving school, he's fairly young.--Milowent • talkblp-r  18:58, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree it seems like this guy did nothing and out of thin air was chosen to led the teabaggers. Mikeyandreality (talk) 22:12, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Ding Ding Ding Bill shannon (talk) 17:28, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

No objective editor would use the term "teabaggers"on a Wikipedia page. Cowcharge (talk) 16:34, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * He didn't say he was being objective.--Milowent • hasspoken 21:27, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

He is in the recent tradition (bi-partisan to the Democratic and Republican parties) of officeholders who go from college and/or law school, to legislative/lobbyist staffer (with or without a brief stint in a law firm), to elective/appointive office, without any stops in what the rest of us might consider the Real World. By contrast, in the 19th and earlier 20th century, officeholders (Democrat, Republican, Socialist, Progressive, whatever) were more likely to be machinists, saloon keepers, cigarmakers, house painters, traveling salesmen, and the like, before taking office. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  21:17, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I almost forgot farmers! -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  21:18, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Controversy section
This article partly illustrates why controversy sections can be a bad idea. Currently amongst other things it says:

'He was criticized by the incumbent Michael Steele. Steele said, "It's disappointing, you would hope that the bonds of loyalty were thicker than they apparently were."'

But this is with little context. It isn't even mentioned incumbent of what. Earlier it is mentioned he was general counsel under chair Michael Steele but his RNC chair tenure including the election is not discussed until after the statement. The fact that he ran again Steele (amongst others) who was seeking re-election and which I presume is what this about is not mentioned.

Nil Einne (talk) 22:17, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

The Honorable ???
Where does it say that he got the title of "The Honorable"? I read the criterion for people who receive it, and this guy hasn't done anything to earn it. Is there a source for this? Stidmatt (talk) 15:45, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Running the RNC Section
Even though this is an article about a political figure, the article needs to be objective and even handed. I toned down the anti-Obama rhetoric and tried to present it more from an neutral point of view. Bugsy 15:17, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

There is still a neutrality tag at the beginning, but I fail to see anything in the article that is controversial. Am I missing something? If the neutrality issue has been resolved can we remove the tag, please? William J Bean (talk) 15:15, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The article as it stands today reads like a bit of a puff piece. Lots of praise for Priebus, no dissenting views. Perhaps Priebus is just an unusually well-loved figure in partisan politics, but it seems unlikely that no one has ever taken exception to anything he's done. -- Khazar2 (talk) 00:24, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Neutrality tag from 2012
Hello. The article is entirely cited and seems very balanced to me. Isn't it time to remove the neutrality tag?Zigzig20s (talk) 18:01, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks neutral to me. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 21:25, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Good to hear. Do others agree?Zigzig20s (talk) 00:37, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreement here. —ADavidB 20:50, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, I have removed it as per consensus. If anyone objects, please let us know.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:36, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Correcting name and suggesting some additions
Hi there to any editors watching this page: I have been working on some corrections and proposed additions for this article that I am looking for help with. Up front, I want to disclose that the material I'll be proposing has been prepared by me on behalf of the Republican National Committee, on whose behalf I'm working. Due to my financial conflict of interest, I will not make any direct edits to this article and ask for editors here to review and make any changes that I propose.

To begin with, I have one major correction and then some proposed updates to the Early life and education and first paragraph of Career section. Below, I'll list out the changes that I'm suggesting, followed by my proposed wording, where appropriate.

Incorrect name
The most problematic issue in the article right now is that Chairman Priebus's full name is incorrect and needs correcting in the introduction and infobox. Although a couple of sources have incorrectly reported his name as Reinhold Reince Priebus, his middle name is actually Richard and full name is Reinhold Richard Priebus. Reince is a nickname, a shortened version of Reinhold. His name is given correctly in his official bio on GOP.com. I'd like to suggest giving his full name as "Reinhold Richard "Reince" Priebus" in the introduction and correcting his birth name to "Reinhold Richard Priebus" in the infobox. This citation can be used:


 * ✅ Thanks to Zigzig20s and AdavidB for fixing this error. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 15:41, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Early life and education
There are a few changes I'd like to propose for the Early life and education section:
 * 1) There's been some confusion over the names of Priebus's parents. His parents' correct names are Richard and Dimitra (also known as Roula) Priebus. Two the existing sources, one of which is an official document of the Wisconsin Legislature, plus the GOP.com bio linked above can be used to clarify this.
 * 2) Due to one source's misunderstanding of Priebus's parents' names and confusion of the two's careers, the article incorrectly says that his father worked in real estate. It was in fact his mother who worked in real estate. This is clarified in the GOP.com bio.
 * 3) There are a few additional details that can be added to this section to add a bit more information on Priebus's background. I've included these in the draft below, but these include: noting his high school, his roles as student body president and president of the College Republicans in college, and attending the RNC as a non-voting delegate.

Here is my proposed draft updating this section:


 * ✅ ADavidB incorporated the information and citations from this draft into the live article. Thanks! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 15:43, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Career
In the first paragraph under the Career section heading, there's a little background on his early career, most of which has no citation. I've prepared a new draft for this, using the current version as a base and adding more details and citations for support. New details added include:
 * 1) Roles while he studied for his degree, including clerking for the Wisconsin Court of Appeals, the Wisconsin Supreme Court, and the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida, and internship at the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund
 * 2) Being named as one of Wisconsin Super Lawyers rising stars andMilwaukee Business Journal's "40 Under 40" list in 2008
 * 3) Details of his election to and role as Wisconsin Republican Party chairman, which is currently not discussed in the article at all
 * 4) Mention of his involvement in the 2010 elections and recognition nationally afterward, alongside Paul Ryan and Scott Walker

Here is my drafted version of the start to the Career section:

Thanks in advance for taking a look at these suggestions. The wording above is just a proposal, so I'm open to any adjustments that editors think will be helpful. If the above looks good, I'd really appreciate if an editor could move these suggestions into the article. Thanks! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 22:17, 1 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Just made a couple of edits here making sure each sentence has a reference and also replacing a citation where the link has expired. (FYI: This citation is  which is used in the current article.) See discussion with Zigzig20s on my Talk page. Any other input on these drafts is welcome! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 19:59, 10 December 2014 (UTC)


 * A quick ping to see if any editors would like to take a look at the above draft and consider adding in some of the early career information to the article. Among the changes/additions I'm proposing here, there's some useful background on Priebus's political career that is currently missing from the article. In particular, there is no mention of his election as chairman of the Wisconsin Republican Party in the live article right now, which surely should be included. Thanks in advance, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 15:57, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much to 1990'sguy for reviewing the suggestions for the Career section and adding in much of the drafted details above. There are just a few of the changes not made that I'd like to ask about, to see if it would be possible to update these also:


 * Correcting that he was president of the Law School Student Body at the University of Miami, not the Student Bar Association
 * Correcting the groups that he worked in at Michael Best & Friedrich; per the firm's website, Priebus is a partner in its litigation and corporate practice groups, not the government and public policy division, as the article currently incorrectly states
 * Adding in the recognition for his work at Michael Best & Friedrich in terms of being named as one of Wisconsin Super Lawyers rising stars and included in Milwaukee Business Journal's "40 Under 40" list in 2008


 * Would anyone mind making these updates? Thanks! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 21:43, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thank you, 1990'sguy, for reviewing and adding in all the details above for the Career section. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 14:22, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Suggested updates for RNC chairman section
Hi again to any editors watching this page. Following on from my suggestions above, I'd like to propose some edits and new material to help build a clearer and more informative section regarding Priebus's tenure as RNC chair. Again, the material I am proposing has been written by me while working as a consultant to Republican National Committee. Due to this financial conflict of interest, as stated above, I am not make going to make any direct edits to this article and instead hope editors here will review my proposals and make the edits if they are appropriate.

Clarifying section heading
The first change I'd like to suggest is one of structure, rather than content. I'd like to propose that the Term as chairman heading under the RNC chairman section be renamed slightly, to help clarify for readers. This section focuses mainly on his first year in the role, while the 2012 Presidential election also includes some information about that first term. Here's what I have in mind:


 * Change Term as chairman to First term
 * Remove the 2012 Presidential election heading (or make this a subheading under First term)
 * ✅ 1990'sguy made this amendment. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 17:31, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Adding detail to Term as chairman/First term
There are a few details that I'd like to suggest adding to and correcting within the section on Priebus's first term as RNC chair. I'd also like to propose a few small changes in wording to help make the section read more clearly. Here are the key changes I'm suggesting:


 * 1) Adding in Priebus's stated goals for his term as RNC chair
 * 2) Correcting the amount of funding raised by the end of 2011, based on FEC official documentation
 * 3) Adding detail about donors by end of 2011, and feedback from Republican Congress members
 * 4) Adding a couple more details regarding his second year: continued focus on rebuilding party finances and starting "The Growth and Opportunity Project"
 * 5) Updating text throughout from present to past tense

Below, I've shown in green the changes / additions that I'm proposing, along with the markup:


 * ✅ These edits have been made. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 17:31, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

New section on Second term
Currently, there's no information on Priebus's second term as RNC chair within the article. I'd like to suggest adding a new section between 2013 election of chairman and 2015 election of chairman, to add some details covering the key events and activities that Priebus focused on during that time, particularly the developments begun as a response to the results of the 2012 elections. Here's the full text of what I'm proposing, along with the markup:

Thanks so much in advance for looking over these proposed edits and additions. Similar to my previous suggestions above, this wording is just a proposal, and I'm open to any adjustments editors here think will be helpful. If these suggestions look good, I hope someone will move them into the article. Thanks! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 21:54, 29 January 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ Many thanks to 1990'sguy for adding in the above material. These are all the suggestions I have for this article for now, thanks to everyone who reviewed and helped to make updates. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 17:31, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

News reporting current
Right now the news is swirling about this man and his possible appointment as Chief of Staff to President-elect Trump. For this reason I tagged this with a current tag. It's important that as the days pass readers are given the opportunity to judge that this information may be incorrect or outdated. MagnoliaSouth (talk) 21:29, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Not Chief of Staff yet
He shouldn't be listed as Chief of Staff because officially he does NOT hold that post. Until he is confirmed, we can list him as Chief of Staff but definitely not now when we don't have an official announcement that he's part of Trump administration. So I suggest, we don't edit that until this is resolved and clear. Itsyoungrapper (talk) 21:32, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Edit: Now he officially is. Itsyoungrapper (talk) 21:58, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Its not officially official until the transition in January.Correctron (talk) 05:07, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah I know, what I meant was that he was finally confirmed as Chief of Staff to Donald Trump. Itsyoungrapper (talk) 21:56, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

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