Talk:Relapse (Eminem album)/Archive 1

Release Date?
On htp://www.Kingmathers.com it's showing a new message that says March 4th 2008. Is there any truth to this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/G (talk) 20:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * No, there is no truth in this. If there was, eminem would have at least said there actually was an album. Oh and there is no Like Toy Soldiers 2. I have a million arguments on that but i will go with... what would the chours sound like- Step by step, heart to heart we all fall down like toy soldiers...2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 21:57, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Eminem really needs to clarify this whole thing and stop being so secretive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/G (talk) 18:00, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Well it turns out that the king mathers site is a forum now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.131.213 (talk) 05:06, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * One of the past wikipedia pages on King Mathers had this listed. "King Mathers is the name of the upcoming studio album from rapper Eminem. It is set to be released on June 24, 2008."

Is there any truth in this or were they just vandalizing the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 18:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It's possible. I've heard that it's supposed to be coming out from May-August.  But we have to wait and see I guess.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.131.213 (talk) 21:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Kanye West
Who said Kanye was gonna be on the album? please confirm it. volumesoxxs 11:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * No way Kanyes on it he could produce but no way is he rappin on eminems albums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.226.58 (talk • contribs)


 * HA! you really think Kanye would produce Em? Eminem is good enough, he doesnt need anybody other then himself and Dre —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.93.196 (talk) 09:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Jay-Z
It said that Ca$his confirmed an appearance by Jay-Z, but when I checked the source there was no sign of it ((source #4!!)) So I deleted the part that said Jay-Z was featured and replaced it with something else Ca$his had said about the album. Don't trust? Check the source. Peace... Darius20 14:47, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

50 Cent
hey check this guys......we should mention this in the article..shouldn't we...?? http://www.forum.trshady.com/viewtopic.php?t=39506 --Frans Adiesha 18:27, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Royce Da 5'9"
In an interview with Bishop Lamont on dubcnn.com on the home page, Bishop Lamont says that there is a possibility of bad meets evil duo with Royce on King Mathers. Should this be included in the article? volumesoxxs 01:57, 9 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No defintly no Royce. He recently called Eminem a "cracker" and Cashis threatened to hurt him (Royce). Cashis claimed he wasn't starting a beef, but just defending the man who saved his life and family by helping become an artist. Eminem wouldn't put him on the cd now even if they already had the track. Besides, when Bishop Lamont said Bad Meets Evil 2, i think he was just saying something like that, not saying that Royce and Eminem are going to work together. Royce has always had beefs with D12, just not Em. Now it has become personal with Marshall. So, no Bad Meets Evil 2 or Royce tracks as Marshall and Royce have a beef. This doesn't need to go in the article though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 14:45, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I just read on RapBasement's news forum that they just resolved their beef (:D) so Royce is a possibility now. SlimShady6135 (talk) 03:10, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * SlimShady6136, it is good that you found more info about the album, but not all of us are members of rapbasement whatever and therefore, cant read the article. Back to royce, i know they resolved a while ago, but i think it is 2 soon for them to work together. This is good as another source confirming the album. BUT WHERE DOES IT SAY THE ALBUM IS DUE IN THE SUMMER. I CHECKED THE FIRST 2 SOURCES AND THERE IS NO I REPEAT NO PROOFL.

Jmilisc9 (talk) 15:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It has a valid source now. SlimShady6135 (talk) 22:04, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Album title
Ca$his confirmed the album on skee.tv.http://youtube.com/watch?v=T6B0_ESdL9A —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shadyaftrmathgunit (talk • contribs)


 * Already this hasnt even be confirmed. 64.53.200.216 08:36, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Ca$his confirmed it and it already has it's own promo site. TahoeLTz71 20:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * So... the album is actually going to be called "King Mathers"? - He  ck  XX  ( G, W , U , V ) 15:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * What an awful choice of name lol...! Football 7 16:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * aint the greatest of names i would have prefered something like Standing Ovation, that would have been wicked :P

I was actually expecting something show-related, like his other albums, but, hey, King Mathers is cool too. - He  ck  XX  ( G, W , U , V ) 01:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Its just a rumor hope this aint the name for real it sucks he needs to go back to his old flow fuck that southern shit hes doin with t.i. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.226.58 (talk • contribs)


 * The name of the album is currently King Mathers. The website for the album is www.kingmathers.com/ There are some talented people with Photoshop, but none that would register the KingMathers.com domain and one that would mimic Eminem's trademark look. If you doubt the authenticity of the site, then bookmark it and check it around October and November. Impala63 22:53, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Eminem's publicist just confirmed that the kingmathers.com website is fake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CheckP (talk • contribs)


 * This was posted on the net such a long time ago, like earlier this month.. why hasnt anyone aded this yet? album called Living Proof; King Mathers and the first single will be called Pushin - want proof - : http://boards.ign.com/hip_hop/b5113/154291976/p1/?64 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.126.217 (talk) 04:08, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I saw that 2 sum1 should look into it

''It is actually hard to say which album fans are anticipating more, Detox or the label’s second album scheduled for release in early March. After rumors of retirement it seems Eminem has decided to step back in the booth with his fifth solo LP “Living Proof: The King Mathers LP.”

''“Living Proof” will feature much heavier tones than Mather’s last outing, 2004’s “Encore” which left fans and the industry confused. Aftermath plans to release the albums first single “Pushin’” in January as well as the street single “King Mathers” featuring Eminem protégé Ca$his soon after. Following in the footsteps of Eminem's friend Nas, “Living Proof” is Eminem’s attempt to save his passion in the name of his fallen friend Proof.

A rare occurrence for Eminem, the album will also feature outside production from Scott Storch and J.R. Rotem as well as Eminem, the majority of the production ranks will be handled by Dr. Dre as well as the album’s first two singles.

And more proof that it's coming in March:

You can't stop me from toppin' these charts. And you can't stop me from droppin' each March. With a brand new CD for these f***in' retards.

Source is all over the internet.

OKAY... here is the page. 1. Eminem has NEVER released an album in march, ever, don't take his rhymes seriously. 2. It is March and we know that DJ Premier will produce some of the album and there is no "Pushin" in January or album due in March. 3. Finally, this article has no source... Hold on... it says all over the internet??? What a load of $h!T. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 19:41, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * When he says you can't stop him from toppin' charts...he says that in a song called: Criminal on TMMLP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.82.157.153 (talk) 16:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * As of now the only person who has confirmed its called "King Mathers" is Cashis (out of 27 sources) so its obviously not true. SlimShady6135 (talk) 22:25, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Cover
Possible Cover for King Mathers



Targets on the Album
Someone should remove the kyle spratt and the mariah carey thing because I couldn't find anything confirmed by anyone so I don't think it belongs in the article.


 * In a recent issue of OK! Magazine, (the one with Jen Anniston on the cover) there is a (gay-ass anti-Em) article that confirms he disses Mariah. And he should. She's such a fucking whore.-Blade


 * Cool, thanks for adding the sources. volumesoxxs 10:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Why the hell would he wast time dissin spratt? Hope he doesnt waste too much on Mariah either except a few lines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.226.58 (talk • contribs)

Album theme
Any idea whether the album will be Marshall Mathers angry, or Slim Shady funny? Slim Shady has been in rest for far too long. - He  ck  XX  ( G, W , U , V ) 02:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm thinking we'll see Shady quite a bit here. I hope. Shady's one evil bastard, but 99.9% of what he says is true. I like the Marshall raps, too, though. I'm hoping for an album overall more like The Marshall Mathers LP and less like Encore. NO Puke, My First Single, or Ass Like That. And for gods sakes, does anyone else feel that the skits need to just die a horrible death already. That Em calls Paul skit is the worst thing I've ever heard.


 * P.S. I'm the guy who reported the source for the Mariah Carey thing.- Blade


 * I would like to see another The Eminem Show. didnt like his first releases though... Encore was pretty shit..I hope there's no songs like what you referred... ^^^ these annoying skits needs to go and die down somewhere... No one listens to them when they listen to the album, they just skip it. we want it like Hip Hop Is Dead no intro no outro no skits. just normal music... Football97 15:06, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It's a good thing that you know what everyone listens to and what they dont listen to on an album then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.142.7.6 (talk • contribs)


 * The album will be sick if Jay-Z is on it. Most likely D12 will be on the album. I hope EM does a track with Nate Dogg and a track with Dre. I also hope that Dre produces most of the album. TahoeLTZ71 00:47, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Album will be sick anyways if he goes back to his old days i heard he was gonna have mc juice on it. i actually thinks the skits werent bad apart from encore.  album will be great hope most of it is solo shit just please no akon! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.226.58 (talk • contribs)

I don't think that he will go back to his old ways, he has always improved himself...I rather think that we will see a total new em, more positive then on his earlier releases. --DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 21:02, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Track listing
01. Public Service Announcement 3001 02. So Sorry (Produced by: Dr. Dre, Co-Produced by: Dawaun Parker) 03. Still Shady (Produced by: Dr. Dre) 04. Take My Spot feat. Jay-Z & Dr. Dre (Produced by: Dr. Dre, Co-Produced by: Dawaun Parker) 05. That’s Life feat. Akon (Produced by: Eminem, Co-Produced by: Akon) 06. Jimmy Iovine (Skit) 07. Let Me Go (Produced by: Dr. Dre) 08. Things Ain’t The Same (Produced by: Eminem, Co-Produced by: Hi-Tek) 09. Broken Promises (Produced by: Eminem, Co-Produced by: Jeff Bass) 10. King Mathers feat. Ca$his (Produced by: Eminem, Co-Produced by: Jeff Bass) 11. Follow Me feat. 50 Cent (Produced by: Dr. Dre & Dawaun Parker) 12. Can’t Trust Nobody feat. Nate Dogg (Produced by: Dr. Dre, Co-Produced by: Focus) 13. Paul (Skit) 14. Withdrawl Syndrome (Produced by: Eminem, Co-Produced by: Jeff Bass) 15. Staring At The Wall (Produced by: Eminem, Co-Produced by: Jeff Bass) 16. As A Man feat. T.I. (Produced by: Eminem, Co-Produced by: Luis Resto) 17. When It Rains feat. Mary J. Blige (Produced by: Dr. Dre & Dawaun Parker) 18. I Love It feat. Obie Trice & Ca$his (Produced by: Dr. Dre) 19. What You Came For (Produced by: Dr. Dre & Focus) 20. Never Gave A Fuck (Produced by: Dr. Dre, Co-Produced by: J.R. Rotem) 21. I'm Back feat Akon & T-Pain (Produced by Red0ne )  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.82.16.79 (talk) 19:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC) Posible Track's "Shotter" (Produced by Dr.Dre & Mike Elizondo) "A Curtain Closed" ft. Proof  (Produced by Eminem & Luis Resto) I'm just commenting on the "Tentative Tracklist" that someone else posted.


 * Hmm interesting, I could do without the lame comments on each one. I think whole section in the King Mathers talk page should be removed. volumesoxxs 11:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * ^^^ You forgot to remove some of the lame comments.


 * Where are all these "rumored" tracklists coming from? Can someone tell me?  I'm going to delete it for now, but if you can provide a source, it can get added back. JpGrB 01:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * 1. Intro
 * 2. Proof of Life ft. D12
 * 3. Click Click Plow
 * 4. D12 Calls Em [Skit]
 * 5. Like Toy Soldiers 2
 * 6. Show Me The Way ft. Akon
 * 7. Detroit Rap City
 * 8. Skid Row
 * 9. Paul Rosenberg [Skit]
 * 10. King Mathers
 * 11. Cascade
 * 12. Carry On
 * 13. Knife To A Gun Show ft. T.I. & 50 Cent
 * 14. Freestyle [Skit]
 * 15. Locked Away
 * 16. Back To Tha Lab ft. Dr. Dre
 * 17. Hailie Jade [Skit]
 * 18. My Baby
 * 19. A Curtain Closed ft. Proof
 * 20. Outro


 * See here: Image:Eminemkingmathersalbumback.jpg
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.74.95.179 (talk) 16:46, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I bet in one of his songs, someone'll say: All hail King Mathers! Live Long, King Mathers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.82.157.153 (talk) 17:01, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Gah
He’s back! After being away for three years Eminem is planning to make a comeback with King Mathers, his fifth solo effort in eight years. The album is currently slated for an October release, with it’s first single “Still Shady” hitting the air waves as early as mid-August. Two clips are scheduled to be shot in Los Angeles starting July 23rd, the first being “Still Shady” a track featuring a menacing guitar riff while Eminem attempts to reclaim the title he once was so modest of. The second clip to be shot, “Follow Me” features 50 Cent and has the duo flowing to a beat reminiscent of 50 Cent’s smash single “Out of Control” a track that will undoubtedly garner plenty of rump shaking in the club these up coming months. Long time friend and collaborator Jeff Bass claims, “Expect an album like you have never heard from Marshall. He’s been through a lot since Encore and has a lot to say. This album is very different from his previous work.” Bass also promised that fans won’t be disappointed by Slim Shady inspired tracks like “Still Shady” and “Never Gave A fuck.” King Mathers also features a long overdue tribute to Mather’s fallen friend Deshaun Holton (Things Ain’t The Same), famous for his role in the film 8 Mile and a member of Mather’s Detroit rap collective D-12. You can expect King Mathers to hit stores October 16th. A special edition “King Mathers” will be released simultaneously featuring four tracks from the recently scrapped upcoming D-12 project that includes a surprising appearance by Three 6 Mafia as well as Stat Quo. “King Mathers” boasts possibly ten tracks produced by Dr. Dre as well as production from Hi-Tek, Dawaun Parker, Akon, & Eminem himself. The highly anticipated comeback album also features guest appearances by label mates Dr. Dre, 50 Cent, Ca$his & Obie Trice as well as Jay-Z, T.I. & Mary J. Blige.

Sounds like a promotion. - He  ck  XX  ( G, W , U , V ) 01:10, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I would delete it, sounds more like an add then an encyclopedia and probably isn't true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.197.28 (talk • contribs)


 * i pray to god this is true Darius20 14:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You need a source... "i pray to god this is true" does not work. --Ayoleftyz 15:56, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * and y would u pray they scrapped that D12 album anyway - NJ Rock


 * Ok, I want a source first of all to see where you find this because as far as I know there has been no announced first single and second of all, they are not scrapping the D12 album. I recommend that this also be removed from the King Mathers talk page. volumesoxxs 11:58, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Sources and hearsay
First off, you guys need to start giving a lot more sources for all of this information or the page needs to be deleted/cut down until sources/information are given. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball and we are not serving anyone by citing rumors or fake information for articles. I have cleaned the page up, format wise and have put "Never Gave a Fuck" up for deletion as it has no reason to even be created. Half of the information in the article should be removed until sources are given. --Ayoleftyz 15:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Finally someone steps up to the plate and does this, thank you Ayoleftyz volumesoxxs 12:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * There is going to be a song with 50 cent, Jay-z and eminem on eminems next album. If somebody wants to find the source and post it that would be cool. It was in one of fifty cents interviews.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Confirmation from Stat Quo
stat quo has also confirmed the album in a recent interview http://www.forum.trshady.com/viewtopic.php?t=39048 --Frans Adiesha 06:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Official non-formum link here. Thanks for finding that --  ¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤   10:58, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Confirmation from Eminem
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003640038 Daniil Maslyuk 02:03, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It is not confirmation, and adds nothing to the article. The subject matter is already included a Eminem. When confirmation comes, it'll be unambiguous. Anything that it not unambiguous can be taken to be something other than confirmation. -Tagishsimon (talk) 11:34, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree this proves nothing & should be deleted —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChamillitaryNGR (talk • contribs) 17:14, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Comeback album?
Why is this being described as a comeback album? Eminem hasn't exactly fallen off the map or lost popularity, has he? 68.13.245.143 22:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe it's more of the fact that he supposedly was going to stop making solo albums I think. 70.245.13.252 06:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed, this is not a comeback album. --Ayoleftyz 00:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

It is because of the fan dissapointment of Encore, I also agree that this is not a comeback album but I don't think the talk page should be discussing forum type topics. We are here to make help validate wikis articles, not turn it into a forum. volumesoxxs 12:02, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * What are you even talking about? He asked a valid question which helps improve the article with feedback. How do you think Graduation and Curtis stay so organized and formatted correctly? It takes discussion and experience to make "help validate wikis articles." By the way, how was Encore a fan disappointment? It only sold 5 million in the U.S. ALONE and another 11 million around the world. I don't think people were too disappointed otherwise you would have saw a substantial decrease in sales after the first week or two, albums that go 5x platinum with solid reviews across the board usually aren't categorized as a "fan disappointment." That kind of reception is incredible. Also, in no way am I an Eminem groupie, I respect his music and enjoy it yes, but it's just remarks like that which get under my skin. --Ayoleftyz 02:19, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

volumesoxxs was referring to it as a fan dissapointment, not a financial dissapointment 74.211.5.92 06:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the article (at the time I brought up the question) described King Mathers as a "long-awaited comeback album", which I disagree with. Although he hasn't had a studio album in three years, his Encore was far from a disappointment (it sold millions of copies, received generally positive reviews, and spawned several radio hits, as did all his Aftermath albums). Plus, he released a greatest hits album that sold well--carried by a strong new single ("When I'm Gone") and touring, plus he produced other artists and appeared as a guest rapper for multiple acts. No, Eminem hasn't been out of the spotlight in any sense that would require a 2007 comeback. But it's moot, since the article since has been altered. Peace. 192.234.13.40 18:16, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It is called a comeback album because many fans were disappointed with the recent trcks, such as the Touchdown, Eminem Presents: The Re-Up, and two of three tracks that were newly added to Curtain Call: The Hits, namely, "FACK" and "Shake That". These songs for some reason gave his hardcore fans some reason to lose faith in him, and now he is considered a "fall-off" by many of his so-called fans. So that is why it's called a comeback, because he lost at least half of his fanbase. If you look at forums, you'll see what I mean. - NJ Rock 15:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Shake That was awesome. So were Em's tracks on The Re-Up. I don't care for Touchdown and I HATE FACK, but Em hasn't fallen off the wagon. He's still the best rapper alive, and probably ever. (Yes, that includes 2Pac.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.227.24.185 (talk • contribs)


 * "It is called a comeback album because many fans were disappointed with the recent trcks. . . These songs for some reason gave his hardcore fans some reason to lose faith in him, and now he is considered a "fall-off" by many of his so-called fans. So that is why it's called a comeback, because he lost at least half of his fanbase." The album hasn't been released nor has anything from it been leaked; Eminem himself hasn't even confirmed the album's title. Nothing from this album has been made public so how can we just assume it is a comeback album? And Eminem isn't the best rapper alive. His older work is impressive and is definitely in the top ranks, but there are other artists with work much comparable to his own. The Psycho+Logical-Records artists are really underlooked... R-Tiztik 16:21, 1 August 2007 (UT

No album
There is no Eminem album on any release schedule. http://www.defsounds.com/news/view/2201-eminem-not-releasing-album-this-year.html--Shadyaftrmathgunit 11:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * This whole "no album scheduled" thing is kind of annoying. I think Eminem's own labelmates, and personal friends at that, would know more about what he's up to or planning than an industry nut. Then again publicists and Interscope executives would probably have to be informed on his plans; hmm... This whole thing is frustrating. If he really does have any plans on retiring he should redeem himself with a studio album, instead of retiring as a solo artist with Encore being his final studio album. Eesh. R-Tiztik 17:40, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree that I think that there is an album too. More than one labelmate has confirmed it and that is more reliable than just one interscope official. --The-G-Unit-Boss 17:44, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * There is an album, unless all of his label mates are lying to see if they can piss us all off but yeah...anyways, the guy said no album on a release schedual I believe or something like that. That just means that theres no planned release date, not that he isn't making one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.196.114 (talk • contribs)

Even KingMathers.com looks very official. Eminem's publicist specifically dismissed it as a hoax, but regardless of there being authenticity to the site in one form or another, it is very professionally done. It's layout is very reminiscent of the enhanced portion of the 8 Mile soundtrack. R-Tiztik 22:38, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I can think of countless albums that were alluded to but never happened. If that site were legitimate, it wouldn't immediately redirect to some message board. Fanboys put crap on the Internet that looks official all the time. The programs that are used by studios to create album artwork are the same ones on many people's desktops. --YellowTapedR 04:37, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

See topic below. R-Tiztik 04:45, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

LOL Its crazy this about this album someone in the world needs to get an interivew with eminem and record it and then show it to the rest of the world and ask him in the interview weather he is or not making a new album. i havent seen eminem on tv for ages now back in december on trl i think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanjohns (talk • contribs) 23:41, August 27, 2007 (UTC)
 * An interview would definitely help, that's for sure. --- Realest4Life 01:29, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

there are at least 10 songs by Ca$his that refer to Eminem as "King Mathers" or mention "King Mathers" in such a way as to promote the album and inform the listener that they should "cop the album" —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChamillitaryNGR (talk • contribs) 17:11, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Recorded/Release
Hi after looking at this I assumed that it was recorded in 2007. What do you lot think? --The-G-Unit-Boss 16:53, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * That is old, it was in May. A few days ago, an Interscope rep said there is no album scheduled to be released in 2007. So, he might also be recording it in 2008, that's why I removed it. --- Realest4Life 17:09, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

The first songs recorded for the purpose of King Mathers (or its final title) were recorded in 2007 during T.I.'s T.I.P. recording sessions. There were also magazine reports of songs recorded targeting Mariah Carey which she was looking into filing a suit over, but this was a few months ago so I don't know how that went. He's probably working at something, demoing or something. Eminem's own friends would probably know more about what Em, personally, is up to or planning, rather than an Interscope official that would only be informed on his ultimate decisions, commercially. (Unless Eminem and Dennehy are hanging out now? Lol). Recording took, and is taking place in 2007 anyways, and if there truly is no album by the end of the year, recording will clearly take place in 2008 as well. R-Tiztik 18:23, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, you are right, but what I meant when I mentioned the Interscope rep was that his statements were only a few days ago, compared to 50 Cent's and Ca$his' statements, which were a few months ago. I agree that 2007 should definitely be there, but if the album is not going to be released this year, we should add 2008, and I don't think we should do that yet, especially since no one really knows what is going on right now. Also, what if the album isn't going to be released in 2008 either? What if Eminem decides to release it in 2009?! The reason I removed "2007" was because it might give the reader the impression that that is when all the recording took place, and I can't say for sure that he will record in 2008. --- Realest4Life 18:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah that is true as well. Commonly in the case of an article for an album of ongoing recording, the year placeholder in the Infobox will appear as "Year – ???", but the question marks have always seemed to not do justice, to me anyways. I guess another way would be "Year – Present" like artist pages use; you don't see their Years active placeholder reading "Year – ???" haha. I'm not sure how to best reflect this on the article, it's definitely worth mentioning though. R-Tiztik 19:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with both of your commments. My solution would be to put, as R-Tiztik said, "Recorded - " and then wait untill more information is revealed. If the album is going to be released this year it shouldnt be too long before the promotion begins, and if it doesnt we can put 2008. :--The-G-Unit-Boss 19:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, so, the only solution I can think of, as R-Tiztik said, is to put "2007 – present". Does everyone else agree with this? --- Realest4Life 19:57, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * That would be the best thing to do. --The-G-Unit-Boss 21:17, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I have a question that is off-topic here. Did the Interscope rep also deny that the album's name is "King Mathers", or did he only deny that it will be released in 2007? --- Realest4Life 21:31, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It was actually Eminem's "Interscope Records publicist" who said that "There is no Eminem album on any release schedule. The promotional site for King Mathers(www.kingmathers.com) is completely bogus." Heres the link if you want to read it for yourself —Preceding unsigned comment added by The-G-Unit-Boss (talk • contribs)

Thank you for the link. --- Realest4Life 23:06, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * No Problem --The-G-Unit-Boss 20:21, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, 2007-Present sounds good on the recording and I think the release date should be 2008 because I doubt the album will be coming out in 2007 especially if a publicist said that there was no release date for a new album. volumesoxxs 07:31, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm starting to think this as well. Records on major labels tend to see ultimate release around three months after completion, which would mean that King Mathers would need to be completed by the end of this month in order to attain a December 2007 release. A 2008 release is looking like a better option to note already. R-Tiztik 18:00, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I think it will come out in may or june, they won't put it in competition with "before I self destruct" (which will flop anyway, that's why they'll put "crack a bottle" on it, because noone was interested in his own singles...) --DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 21:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Album delayed...
i just found this:

http://www.eminemweb.com/board/showthread.php?t=32780

it's basically sayin that the album is comin, but just not this year as it was intended... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.164.172.72 (talk) 03:03, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Kingmathers.com
Actually kingmathers.com site was bought by member from hiphopsummit.com so it is a hoax site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.54.13.72 (talk • contribs)


 * Yeah lol, it was registered at GoDaddy haha. --Ayoleftyz 05:17, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I wasn't saying it was authentic anyways, just that it was very officially handled. R-Tiztik 05:44, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

As of October 28th, 2007 www.kingmathers.com currently links to www.dashadyspot.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.35.236 (talk) 01:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Deletion
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 * First off it doesn't just say it's an internet rumor, although it does mention his publicist discrediting the album. But it also sources mentions of his close fellow artists that have alluded to its existence. It's existence is as credible by two of his personal friends as it isn't by an incessant publicist. See above. R-Tiztik 00:28, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeh. If you want a reason to keep this article. How about reading it?. Everybody is going by one publicist but they dont consider that Eminems own labelmates might know more about his plans that he does. There are more sources FOR the album than there are against it. --The-G-Unit-Boss 12:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That is true, but people should also remember that the publicist's statements were about a week ago. Ca$his' and 50 Cent's were months ago. A lot could have changed. --- Realest4Life 14:30, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


 * There is actually only one source who says that the album will be called King Mathers. The introduction to the article is way too definitive in saying, "King Mathers will be the fifth album by Eminem." So, there are two sources in the article saying he is recording a new album, one source saying he it'll be called King Mathers, and his publicist saying nothing is in the works. Pretty weak. --YellowTapedR 17:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

50 Cent mentioned the album being recorded as well, he just didn't call it by name. I doubt that all these fellow rap artists are alluding to this album just to bring up people's hopes for nothing. Why would they mention it at all if they didn't know shit about it. They're labelmates and good friends with Eminem so I think they would know something about it, it's common sense. If the introduction and article don't suffice with anyone then why don't you just change it to Eminem's fifth studio album; don't just delete it. Its existence is as notable, if not more in certain aspects, than its non-existence. R-Tiztik 18:35, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree with both of you. There actually wouldn't have been any problems with the page if Eminem himself would have confirmed it. Also, I would not oppose the page being moved to "Eminem's fifth studio album". --- Realest4Life 23:18, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I changed the intro a little bit to make it not as definitive. Maybe that solves it. --YellowTapedR 20:24, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Wording
Someone should change the line "it is uncertain whose staement is correct". Both of them are correct. 50 said there was an album but didn't mention a release date. His publicist said there was no album on any release schedule but didn't deny there was an album in the works. SlimShady6135 01:24, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * We don't need to, I changed it because 50 Cent did not allude to the album being released in 2007, Ca$his did. So one of them must be wrong. --- Realest4Life 01:39, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, his publicist said that there was no new album in the works, but he may not be simply not revealing there is an album in the works while only confirming that there is no release date planned; he may literally mean that to his knowledge there is virtually no plans for a fifth album as of yet, plain and simple. I believe there is an album in the works, but that's just me being hopeful like many others; but I just think that the publicist provided the information he knew of and that we shouldn't be digging down further than anything he said. The wording is fine. R-Tiztik 03:36, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that makes sense too, him simply not being aware of what is going on with the album. --- Realest4Life 03:45, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

New song off the album???
check this out....what do you think about it? YouTube.com - Eminem - Step Right Up Vacanzeromane 16:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

i was thinking it could be the 1st single off his new album, but most links n rumours say a mixtape will find out soon enough em or some site will say bout it hopefully - alanjohns —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanjohns (talk • contribs) 00:07, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Another new song?? Vacanzeromane 12:19, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like an unreleased encore track cuz hes talkin about MJ, and that Puppet Dog voice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.211.5.92 (talk) 04:41, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

This is obviously mixtape-material. Interscope isn't going to release something as unpolished as that for a single -- then again, they released Encore. At any rate, it shouldn't be listed as a "rumored track" just because it exists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.92.109.56 (talk) 20:52, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

DJ Premier announced that 'The Key to the City' would be the first single... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.250.247.50 (talk) 13:59, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

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ALBUM INFO
HEY WHO REMOVED THE Lil' Wayne Part. Huh!?!? Read The Carter III, Lil' Wayne sent eminem lyrics for a song. The INFO IS TRUE SO WHY DID SOMEONE DELETE IT!?!

Agreed, put it back up. http://www.rapbasement.com/news/lil-wayne/lil-wayne-talks-beef-and-has-craziest-song-for-eminem.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.96.84.200 (talk) 21:16, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

BetacommandBot 12:37, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Because this has to do with eminem and but not with the album... so this news has been added to the Eminem article (Eminem). Vacanzeromane 19:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Real or fake?
I found a cover on the internet that is claimed to be the cover of this album. It is here. Is it real or fake? Rappingwonders2 (talk) 16:56, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

King Mathers isn't even the name of the album so its fake. SlimShady6135 (talk) 04:51, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Release
If it's due before summer and the detox page says the detox is due by june and thats summer so cant we put on release date for now between feb and may 2008.

Also, Dre confirmed last year that he will be actually working on Em's new album, so I'd assume by now they're done with it...all we need to wait for is the release. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.84.143.75 (talk) 10:02, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

im the guy who wrote If it's due before summer and the detox page says the detox is due by june and thats summer so cant we put on release date for now between feb and may 2008 and the way i see it he prolly aimn for a april may cuz u cant drop the single and then have a quick album realese in march just not sumthin marshall would do maybe a single in march but no realese  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.250.156.12 (talk) 02:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * We cannot add anything until it's been confirmed by a reliable source. GlassCobra 02:42, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

If what i found is true, and that Focus is stil working with Marshall on his album, i think we should let people know that it isn't even done yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 01:16, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

true true i no just sayin just when u think bout it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.250.156.12 (talk) 02:51, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

http://www.kingmathers.com/ reaveals the release date to be March 4th, 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.19.82.229 (talk) 13:59, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

March 4th is in 5 days fam if it drop in 5 days i wish with no single yet i would say add it but kingmathers.com was a hoax before so how can u no now for sure —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.254.168.30 (talk) 05:03, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I recently went to my Local Target In the Bay Area and next to 50 Cent's Curtis Disc was a sticker with King Mathers Visible and when i asked the manager he removed it.--Thriller Mathers (talk) 19:40, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Focus
On February 29, 2008, rapper Focus who has worked with Dr. Dre, Eminem and Busta Rymes confirmed that in fact Eminem is at work with a new album. In fact, he also said that he was helping him with it.

I just found this. Is this a relilble source that proves that there is no March 4th date because if there was he would have mentioned it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs)


 * I have sourced it properly. --JpGrB 18:31, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Does anyone think that the page should be changed to Eminem's 5th Studio Album instead of King Mathers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 19:09, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, this title was confirmed by Cashis, as stated above. --JpGrB 19:25, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I just provided links for "bad meets evil" and Marshall Mathers, T.I, Slim Shady and made it clear that kingmathers.com is fake by making it italic. I don't want people to think the bad meets evil part is bogus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 21:03, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Kingmathers.com- 3.4.08 New Ownership
I recently edited the page to tell people that this website is just a forum and the official page of the album like people said on this exact article before. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 01:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * There are a lot of forums about upcoming albums. They're not official, nor notable, which is why it was removed from the article several times. dearly (talk) 19:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I know it is a forum. If you look on the previous versions of the (Wikipedia article, like when all this king mathers hype began in june-august of 07) article on king mathers, people said that it was the offical site for the album. In fact, the new owner of kingmathers.com, Emil denies that it is nor ever was the official site. If someone doesn't give one good reason why it shouldn't be in the article it should be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs)


 * Well, you just gave one reason why it SHOULDN'T be in the article. We've already decided long ago that it is not appropriate to place the URL in the article.  It's just not notable right now.  The article already mentions that the site is not official, and that's as far as we're going with it.  dearly (talk) 16:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Cover Of the Album
i uploaded a edited pic from Image:King_Mathersfront.jpg

that is defintly fake. Kingmathes.com is a forum, please don't put that on the article, it will just get people hyped up for nothing. I think that we are finally going to find out what is going on in june when Dre releases Detox, after all, he said he would let Em release his album first. That defintly won't be the cover for the album though.

Will Someone Finnaly Change The Title Of This Page
As the album has not at all going to be called king mathers, its about time wikipedia sorted this page out, BACK TO 5TH STUDIO ALBUM i say!! King Mathers Is A Forum Jebus :P Yes but Cashis does clearly call it king mathers. He is asked if EM has a new album His exact words are, "Yeah, it's called King Mathers..." I just wish Em would say SOMETHING!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 22:30, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I no i agree eminem needs to come out and say extacly what it is, cant wait now tho, but album defenetly aint called king mathers, just you watch, same old wikipedia false info tho :P, Cashis calls em king mathers all time has done since re-up n before ull find tho :P

The Pre- King Mathers LP
I know this has been out for a while now, what is it really. I have most of the songs, the artwork for the album shows Em and I wana know if there is any truth in this. Post info on this mixtape here. Is Shady Aftermath/ Interscope responsible or is it a street mixtape. Is it as real as "Dretox?"

I don't know for sure, but they could have been mixed by someone from the label because all of the songs are extremely well mixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MoneyPitch (talk • contribs) 06:58, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

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Article Move.
Not that I argue with it, I'm just trying to understand why, even if it hasn't been confirmed by Em, or any of his reps, the page was moved. I thought Cashis stated it to be "King Mathers", so I thought we were sticking with that until another source "proved him wrong"? Just a question. --JpGrB 21:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I think DJ Premier knows more about the album than he is saying... or is he... No really, he knows the name and i think somehow after everyone on the net said that King Mathers would be a bad name, he (Marshall) changed it so he wouldn't be embarrased with his last album. Let it be noted that even before any of this started, Cashis always refered to Eminem as 'King Mathers.' He does so in the remix of Jimmy Crack Corn.

Yup. Ca$his refers to Em as 'King Mathers' in the song "Pistol Poppin'" as well.

I read the source, i don't think we have enought to say that it will be released in the summer. Eminem has yet to confirm this. If there isn't any proof then it will be changed. Besides, we've had that article since January and no one changed it to 'due in summer of 08 then', this isn't reliable info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 19:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Guys last warning, there is no summer 08 release date. If ther was em would have said something already!!!Jmilisc9 (talk) 15:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Living Proof
Whether or not King Mathers is in the name or not, the rumors of a name including Proof seem very likely. It is the probable name for the upcoming album that will serve as a tribute to Proof the fallen member of D12. "He can never, ever be replaced. He was, and always will be, my best friend."-Eminem. Jmilisc9 (talk) 19:12, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

History merge
I restored the history that was cut-and-paste to this title from King Mathers. Please use the move function in the future, or use WP:RM if there's a blockage.

Note that I've also restored the pre-June 2007 that were at Eminem's fifth studio album. These edits were deleted per an AfD that happened May 2007, but I see no reason not to include them in the history. Cool Hand Luke 17:31, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Delayed... again
I just added info from the New York Post that says it is due next year possibly. It says the album isn't done and there are still tracks that em and dre are working on. Can someone cite it for me right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 20:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Any Track You See Not Comfirmed
Ok, this is coming before Detox. I personally don't think the track with T.I. will happen, it's to late, and its probably scrapped, even if they wanted to, they can't because he's on house arrest or i think he's in jail now; whatever. The track "Key's to the City" that seems logical i think it will be like Slim Shady LP, and Marshall Mathers LP put together, and a lil of The Eminem Show. Also, I think they're will be no guest appearences. Maybe a bonus track for Target or iTunes. Actually, i doubt that. Maybe like an underground detroit rapper will be on their twice. Or i don't know maybe Cashis.

-Piazzajordan2 How do you NOT Have guests. First of all this is his LAST AND FINAL album. 50 will definitly be on it, Dre will, D12 will, track(s) with Proof will, T.I will because they were ALREADY RECORDED A YEAR AGO, Ca$his will, Focus will (he is a rapper who helped produce a few tracks and will be featured). These people already (except Proof for obvious reasons, RIP Man) confirmed there existince on the album. Presently Em is reccording a new track with Royce da 59 for the album. The Eminem show was my favorite album. I hope he samples another song like he did with "stan" and "sing for the moment" when he does it is just genius. Keys to the city or whatever 1st single he wants to use wont be out for a while. DJ Premeir really didnt say that it would be the first single, just that he tampered with it and made it good. FYI, DJ premeir said Keys to the city is an angry marshall track like "way i am". Marshall has a pattern with his first singles.

SSLP- My Name is

MMLP- The Real Slim Shady

EMSHOW- Without Me

ENCORE- Just Lose It

All of these are Wacky Slim shady songs. Look at his second singles

SSLP- Guilty Consicence (there wasn't really anything serious on that album)

MMLP- Way I Am

EMSHOW- Cleanin Out my Closet

ENCORE- Like Toy Soldiers

These songs are more serious. Anyway there WILL BE GUESTS, and as said by the insider in the New York Post, nothing to come now, maybe next year or end of this year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 03:03, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

lol, you're calling guilty conscience a serious song? I honestly don't think any of Em's songs are serious

You don't think ANY of Eminem's songs are serious? I know Guilty Conscience wasn't...but what about Mockingbird, When I'm gone or Stan? That's what I thought..

68.165.5.20 (talk) 02:08, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

With the album due in the winter, i expect his first single to hit the 'net' around september-november. By the way, except for guilty conscience, all his singles follow the pattern i showed above.

FYI
I still don't see why you people have the album due in summer. Em is said to still be working on tracks with dre. Also, MARSHALL MATHERS STILL I REPEAT STILL HAS NOT CONFIRMED THE ALBUM. --Jmilisc9 (talk) 00:39, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

his publicist said nothing for a 2007 release.............said nothing of no 2008 Release —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.38.167 (talk) 06:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

King Mathers
Ca$his has confirmed the name is King Mathers...again. He also stated that it is due in the winter of 08. http://www.dashadyspot.com/interviews/cashis/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 21:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

The picture previously posted is false. I looked all over interscope and nothing. There was no source so it was deleted. Apart from that, it looks fake anyway. Ca$his has re-confirmed it as king mathers, but that picture is totally false.Jmilisc9 (talk) 23:07, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

"In a recent interview with Emil Wagenius, Ca$his stated that Eminem's new album is due in the '4th quarter (winter) of 2008'. "All I can say, is look out 4th quarter ya’ll.. He graciously is letten me b able to eat, and take ova the summer and fall. Cuz winter time, is the all time winner’s time. ya dig." When asked about the name of the album he said, "I don’t lie to the public G. It’s called King Mather’s fa so!"

All I have to say is: Goddamn what did their English teachers teach?

Just so you know, i just realized that this Emil guy is a huge eminem fan. I mean, this might not be a relialbe source as it is traced from da shady spot. Why is this important? this is the owner of Kingmathers.com.Jmilisc9 (talk) 02:06, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Should the summary paragraph at the top be re-worded? Its kinda outdated. Especially since the source that said it comes out this summer isn't any better than Cashis saying it comes out this winter. SlimShady6135 (talk) 23:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

There is NO WAY the album is coming in the summer. There is just no way. We still havent even heard Eminem confirm the album. The page should not say summer. That source was from January. At least the Cashis interveiw is from April. Eminem would not drop a 'surprise' album. It isnt his style and is just plain stupid. You release a single to advertise your album before it is out. You people have no common sense if you believe it is due in June. PS i know its offtopic, but when does 50's album drop. Everyone said March and well... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilisc9 (talk • contribs) 01:11, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

No need to worry about it anymore, I decided to update it myself. SlimShady6135 (talk) 19:57, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

WTF are you getting all these dates??? Dr. Dre didnt confirm it that is bullshit just like Black Juice. THat doesnt even make sense. "People say that i'm a BLACK JUICE." How stupid are you peopl???? Stop posting fake dates and stop saying that dr. dre confirmed it which he didnt (the release date). I am getting quite angry with Dre, 50 and Em as all of their albums should have been out by now and yet we have no clue when they are coming.Jmilisc9 (talk) 02:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Why is this article still here? Eminem's publicist already said this album was a rumor and that Eminem is not working on anything at the moment. dearly (talk) 22:03, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Because there is about 30 references stating that this album isn't a rumor? SE KinG (talk) 04:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Because Eminem himself said he was working on material? 76.2.234.209 (talk) 01:53, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was move. JPG-GR (talk) 17:07, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Eminem& → Eminem's sixth studio album — Eminem has released already five studio albums: Infinite, The Slim Shady LP, The Marshall Mathers LP, The Eminem Show and Encore; meaning that this would be sixth album. The fact that he gained popularity only after The Slim Shady LP and that Infinite didn't "go platinum" doesn't mean it is less of an album than any of the others. It's just obvious that this is his actual sixth studio album. — Do U(knome)?  yes...|or no  · 05:25, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.


 * Support. Oh well, it's been more than a week now, seems no interest so I guess I'll move this now I'll wait, then I'll seek for solutions. Do U(knome)?  yes...|or no  · 04:22, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Support. Seems pretty straightforward to me. Tan  |  39  20:14, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Support. Very good idea. Nice catch too. Ba11innnn (talk) 20:28, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose. I don't think it should move because Infinite was'nt an album, just an EP. So I think it should stay as it is. -- Piazzajordan2 ( Talk. ) 07:59, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Infinite is a studio album...read this. Do U(knome)?  yes...|or no  · 08:29, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Support. Infinite has a longer length and more track inclusions than what is defined as an EP. Vixen Windstorm (talk) 08:24, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:

 From my talk page:  "Hello Udonknome. An editor has asked at WP:RPP for this article to be unprotected so it can be moved. But so far I don't see any opinions by anyone but you in the move discussion. Are there any published sources that call this his sixth album? It shouldn't be up to Wikipedia editors what to call it.  EdJohnston (talk) 17:32, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, now there are other opinions, all favourable. By the way, there appear to be as many sorces for the "number 5". In this case, in my opinion, it's just basic common sense: 1+1+1+1+1+1=6. Do U(knome)?  yes...|or no  ·' 05:15, 28 June 2008 (UTC)"  Do U(knome)?  yes...|or no  ·' 19:35, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I personally thought it was going by "major studio albums" or something along those lines. And if that were the case, it should stay his fifth. Perhaps I'm wrong. --JpGrB 19:44, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I personally disagree with that and that's why I addressed "Infinite" in my explanation. If we were really to go by "major studio albums" (which in any case the term "major" would be extremely ambiguous and POV in my opinion), we should then move this to "Eminem's fifth major studio album" (plain stupid title), because saying this is the fifth overall is just wrong. Do U(knome)?  yes...|or no  · 19:52, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
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Interview with C-Major.
I'm not sure if this is notable or not, but on DuBCNN Cashis producer C-Major gave an interview and stated that both Detox and King Mathers (he referred to it by this name) are almost completed. The full interview is here. --JpGrB 21:51, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, maybe it is gonna be called "King Mathers" after all. SlimShady6135 (talk) 22:31, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Winter 2008
I'm going to change "Winter 2008" to "4th quarter of 2008", to avoid confusion for users in the southern hemisphere. TempestSA (talk) 00:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)TempestSA

I'm going to abbreviate it to "Q4 2008". Just looks better that way. SlimShady6135 (talk) 02:01, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Not everyone knows what Q4 means though, saying it would be much easier. Do U(knome)?  yes...|or no  · 05:43, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Didn't think about that. I'll change it back. SlimShady6135 (talk) 06:06, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

"no cover" image
I recently changed the "No cover" image from the quite franlkly boring grey and white .png version to a more "colourful" version, in .svg format. I thought this would be a non-controversial edit, however it was reverted. So now I'm here asking for opinions of what image we should use: Opinions? - Do U(knome)?  yes...|or no  · 05:49, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I think the .png looks more offical. The .svg looks too "cartoony". SE KinG (talk) 05:53, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * What you mean by official? They both look equally unofficial to me. Do you mean "professional"? - Do U(knome)?  yes...|or no  · 16:56, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I mean professional. SE KinG (talk) 05:38, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I think he means "official" because that's been Wikipedia's "no cover" picture for a long time and it's the most commonly used one. SlimShady6135 (talk) 01:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I think that the "colourful" version should actually replace the boring, old one. --  ¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤   11:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that the image should be changed, but to a more professional looking one, not a cartoon. SE KinG (talk) 19:55, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Just make an updated one that isn't so cartoony, but also not so boring. SlimShady6135 (talk) 00:23, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I would like to note that the author of the two images (User:Anthony5429) has proposed the old image for merge to the .svg format. Here are his reasons:


 * ''Nocover.svg uses a single, universally-understood question mark, rather than English words. This reason, coupled with the fact that it is hosted on the Wikimedia Commons (rather than simply the English Wikipedia), allows it to be used on all the Wikipemedia projects, regardless of language.


 * Nocover.svg is vectorised, meaning it is easily modified with no loss in quality, whereas, in Nocover.png, if there arose a need to edit the text No cover available'', it would first be necessary to use image editing software to clone out the already-covered raster data, a process which is strictly estimative.


 * ''Because Nocover.svg is a vector graphic, its resolution is strictly nominal. In other words, if a higher- or lower- resolution version of this image were desired, the rescaling would not result in a loss of quality as it would with Nocover.png.

Agree? Do U(knome)? yes...|or no 00:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I also like the colorful one more becuase it looks better. I know that it is not yet used so much but I think it should. On the other hand it's svg, so not all systems/browsers/applications support it. But since it look fine in my browser i'd rather take this one. so I agree.--84.60.234.80 (talk) 22:21, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll have to agree, use the colored one. It looks tons better. SlimShady6135 (talk) 12:55, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Updated two mentions of 'fifth album' in the text
The article has been renamed to Eminem's sixth studio album. The expression 'fifth album' was still used in two places in the text. I replaced them with the wording used by the person quoted, in one case 'new album' and the other case 'upcoming album.' (Neither person used the phrase 'sixth album' himself). EdJohnston (talk) 16:28, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice catch. Thanks.  --JpGrB 21:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

NO KEYS TO THE CITY
50 Cent said it's not going to be on the album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.111.148.144 (talk) 00:14, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Where? --HELLØ    ŦHERE 00:23, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Where? SE KinG (talk) 00:27, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Where? dearly (talk) 18:56, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Where? -- Piazzajordan2 ( Talk. ) 00:59, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

The Empack?
"All I gotta say is,who said Hiphop is dead?or do you wanna kill ya self?Either way,your dead! You can ‘Self Destruct’ now or ‘Detox’ later,either way your gonna feel ‘The Empack‘. The monster is coming,drop your lp’s right now,2009 will not be your year.There coming… This is for the fans,the streets,the clubs,the east,the west,the south,the blogs the whole HIPHOP World!! - Sha Money XL"

http://2dopeboyz.com/2008/09/29/the-three-headed-monster/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.152.16.4 (talk) 21:19, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Youtube?
I found these songs on Youtube.

  Is this on Eminem album —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.21.28.249 (talk) 15:01, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Those are fake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.162.37.48 (talk) 20:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

They're definitely Em tracks. I've never heard them before. Could be real. SlimShady6135 (talk) 00:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

The first one never heard it. Second one it's It has been said off of the Notorious b.i.g. album one of the duet cd's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.253.24.234 (talk) 02:47, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Empack/Empact.
Now, even though I feel this is a ridiculous title for an album, especially one of Eminem's quality, Sha Money apparently confirmed this on his official blog. Now, though blogs are not usually reliable, official blogs are, usually. This page also confirms his official blog post. --HELLØ   ŦHERE 01:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I always though blogs like third-party Blogspot blogs and just third-party blogs in general were not notable, but when an announcement is made on an official blog, that must make a difference. For example, in the case that Eminem made that longed for announcement on the details of the album some say he's recording and some say he's not at this time, on a blog only (unlikely, but just bear with it), would that make all he revealed non-notable? Of course not. Official blogs of relevant people who have knowledge in what they're talking about are still notable. But if poponthepop says anything about the album, it's a third-party source and material from this source would not belong on Wikipedia. Official blogs count, that's what I believe. Vixen Windstorm (talk) 04:29, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I 100% believe that too, official blogs. But isn't Sha Money, who is still associated with Em, 50, etc. notable?  --HELLØ    ŦHERE 04:36, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd say his word counts, especially when Cashis (who's even closer related to Em as a fellow artist) backed Sha's statement up, albeit corrected. Even before Cashis mentioned the new title, there was speculation that Sha Money has just mistyped the "The Empack". Vixen Windstorm (talk) 04:42, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * My ultimate point is, why was this information deleted from this article if we both agree it's notable? --HELLØ    ŦHERE 05:42, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * GlassCobra keeps deleting it. I whipped up that part of the lead, so I totally support its appearance in the article. But GlassCobra keeps removing it because it cites blogs. Vixen Windstorm (talk) 05:57, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, then, let us put it back, and point to this discussion to try to figure this whole thing out. Do you agree?  --HELLØ    ŦHERE 06:39, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah sure. A hidden disclaimer following the sentence could state not to tamper with that part of the lead before consulting the talk page or something. Vixen Windstorm (talk) 17:47, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Guys, why does the information need to be in the article right this second? If all we can find is blog sources, then it's not confirmed and shouldn't be in yet. When it's been confirmed, I'm more than happy to have it in -- hell, I'll do it myself. But for right now, all we have is some dude's word for it (typo or not, the fact that they two "sources" can't agree on the spelling is highly indicative of the low quality of info), that's not enough. Please remove it. Glass  Cobra  09:53, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * But it's not just "blogs", it's official blogs. --HELLØ    ŦHERE 09:58, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * zOMG r they relly offishal?? Well that changes everything! ...It doesn't matter if they're official blogs, they're still blogs with no actual power or clout. As I said, there's no hurry to have this information in the article. At this point, it's still speculation and does not belong in the article. Glass  Cobra  10:02, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well then we might as well take out all the King Mathers references as they're still "speculation" because it seemed like Cashis was one of the only main people mentioning that name, yet now he and Sha have mentioned Empack/Empact. I have even provided a HipHopDX reference which points to the official blog by Sha.  --HELLØ    ŦHERE 10:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

From Sha's Blog: "Ok Ok Alright I started some shit with my 3 headed Monster blog,not to mention my hoodness spelled Empack instead of Empact,thanks to Paul he pointed it out,either way that's not the title,that's what i call the power of my homie Em,His joint is coming but the title will be announced soon,so for that i wanna have ya'll get a laugh from me so i can show you i won't just make fun of others and cause i know your cursing me out..i'll also be the 1st to put you on this cool site faceinhole.com also shout out to Miss Info"

Source: http://www.shamoneymotivation.com/2008/10/letter-to-paul.html --70.162.37.48 (talk) 23:55, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Quite interesting. --HELLØ    ŦHERE 00:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

"Confirmed tracks" section
Please stop adding the "Confirmed tracks" section. The actual confirmed tracks are already noted in the "Music" section. Having a standalone chart is redundant. It actually reduces the verifiability and reliability of the article by allowing a space where anyone can add any track name without any encyclopedic context. just64helpin (talk) 11:00, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Official Title is Relapse!!
At the Eminem book release party that is being played live on Shade45 Eminem said the album is called relapse.--ShadyStan (talk) 02:16, 16 October 2008 (UTC)--70.162.37.48 (talk) 01:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

True, just heard it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpic92 (talk • contribs) 01:50, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, first off, you cannot just change it saying you heard it. If you have a source, and I mean a legit, third-party, reliable source, then you can add it.  But don't forget, about a week or two ago it was "officially named "Empack/Empact".  Before that it was "King Mathers".  So, if you have a source add it to the "album title" section, not as the actual name.  Thank you.  --HELLØ    ŦHERE 01:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Once its recorded and posted online i'll put it here so u can put it as a source. And this time its true cuz it actually came out of Eminem's mouth.--ShadyStan (talk) 02:16, 16 October 2008 (UTC)--70.162.37.48 (talk) 01:56, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, that's well and good that he said it, but without a source it's not confirmed, by Wikipedia's standards anyway. But if a reliable source can be provided I'd be more than happy to include it myself.  --HELLØ    ŦHERE 01:59, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Is this a reliabe source that you can use? http://www.rapbasement.com/eminem/101508-eminem-says-his-new-album-is-called-relapse.html--ShadyStan (talk) 02:16, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I know from experience that "rapbasement" is one of those controversial sources. So, if you'd be willing to wait, I can talk to a few other editors, or wait until they check this, and try to gain a consensus?  --HELLØ    ŦH ERE 02:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok. There's probably going to be more sources over the next few days too so it'd be better if we wait.--ShadyStan (talk) 02:28, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I'd say the original paragraph needs updated. The album is coming out early 2009 and he said it's called Relapse. SlimShady6135 (talk) 03:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

As I stated above, there is absolutely no hurry to be placing any and all kind of gossip into this article. It states right in the source itself that Eminem could be screwing around, saying "Relapse" as a joke to counter Dre's album "Detox." Relax, gentlemen; the official title will undoubtedly be announced soon. Until then, let's keep the article as is. Glass  Cobra  06:57, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This should help shed some light. I've added it here first so we can all discuss it and such.  --HELLØ    ŦHERE 09:44, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

It was also mentioned on the news section of Allhiphop.com. He also debuted a song off it called, "I'm Having A Relapse." (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.175.250.161 (talk)
 * On allhiphop it says its a new songs but its actually a freestyle not a new song.--ShadyStan (talk) 00:16, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Change "Late 2008" to "December 2008".
If you think about it, the album is going to be released in December. On Shady45, Eminem confirmed it is to be released before years end. But after 50 Cent's Before I Self Destruct which is set to be released on December 9. So there are 3 tuesdays after that to be released, 16th, 23rd, 30th. Which is still December. Comments? SE KinG (talk) 03:08, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Makes perfect sense to me. Vixen Windstorm (talk) 03:10, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, no way it's coming out next month so December it is. If it gets reverted though it's not my problem. SlimShady6135 (talk) 17:58, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Guest appearances
Eminem said in the Shade 45 interview that the only concrete guest appearance so far is 50 Cent. That should be added. That is if someone can find a good source. SlimShady6135 (talk) 18:02, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Lead.
Is it me or are several of the refs used in the lead used together in other places and therefor not needed in the lead? I'm fairly sure that I read once, thought please don't ask where, but I thought I read somewhere that we shouldn't use refs in the lead? Does anyone else agree? --HELLØ   ŦHERE 04:28, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Page protected
I protected this page for 24 hours because of the obvious edit warring. I'd be happy to lift it earlier if we can come to terms here on the talk page. Tan  &#124;  39  04:34, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I cited this reliable source for a known track on the album. I'd like to know why it's disputed. --Erroneuz1 (talk) 04:40, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, let's talk it out here like normal folks. JpGrB, you obviously have a good editing history and have worked on this article before. Can you explain why Erroneuz's cite is not valid? Tan  &#124;  39  04:41, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've disputed it per Talk:Relapse_(album) and the fact it was stated above that it was freestyle not an actual track for the album. --HELLØ    ŦHERE 04:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Looking into the changes myself, and reading the source provided, I have to agree with JPGrB. The information you added, Erroneuz, is already included in the Music section of the article, and in a much more readable fashion. Perhaps when all the tracks become public, a seperate section would be viable. Any thoughts? Tan  &#124;  39  04:49, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The secton referenced by HT references this link, which again describes it as a "track". So I'm not seeing much traction for his argument. --Erroneuz1 (talk) 04:51, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I see your point also, in that the current article doesn't specifically state that it is a track on the album, but merely that he has a new song out by that name. What if we just confirmed it in the music section somehow? Something like "On October 15, 2008 at an event held by Shade 45, Eminem debuted a new song titled "I'm Having a Relapse", which has been confirmed as a track on the upcoming album", followed by the sourcing you found? Tan  &#124;  39  04:55, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The current article clearly states "During an interview last night on his Sirius Satellite Radio channel, Shade 45, Eminem announced his forthcoming sixth album would be titled Relapse and include the track "I'm Having a Relapse."". How is this getting confused? Being that the track is known, why can't a 'known tracklisting' be started? -- Erroneuz1 (talk) 04:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There's no point in having a confirmed tracklist for only two or three tracks, it's kinda pointless and looks very sloppy. And a "track" doesn't always mean it's going to be on the upcoming album.  50 Cent released "50 For President" as a track, but does that mean it'll be on his album, not necessarily.  I personally think we should wait for it to commented that it will be on the album, because until then, it's just a track, not a confirmed album tack.  --HELLØ    ŦHERE 15:26, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * First source says it will include the track. --Erroneuz1 (talk) 16:52, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Big Dreams was also "confirmed" to be a track for the longest time. Either way, I wouldn't have a problem adding the track, but I don't agree with adding a "confirmed tracklist" when nothing at this point is 100% confirmed, and when there would only be three when, for now, they can just be added to the music section.  But if I were doing it, I would add that a track was released, not a confirmed album track.  In other words, something along the lines of "Eminem also released a song, titled 'I'm Having a Relapse' in preparation for the album.  It is unsure if the tack will appear on the album with conflicting reports indicated it may or may not."  Then source the few that say it's a freestyle and/or a track.  But that's just me.  I think some other editors should come along and drop their two cents.  --HELLØ    ŦHERE 18:11, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Why does everyone keep saying its a song? If u actually listen to the interview they keep saying its a freestyle not a song on the album. Eminem never said it was a song. All the other websites that reported this later for some reason started saying it was a new song when it wasn't. He made it quickly cuz he was bored the night before the interview which is why its so short. Its only a freestyle.--ShadyStan (talk) 23:49, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose that because it's new material from Eminem, it's notable in the article, but whether it will appear on the album or not should be clearly stated and have a source provided, as well. Right now the article simply states, "Eminem debuted a new song titled 'I'm Having a Relapse'," but it does not clarify if the song will appear on the album or not. Sure there is one source that says it will be featured, but considering the song is a two-minute freestyle, on top of the fact that Eminem literally called "bullshit" on the album titles and guest appearances that artists close to himself made announcements of, I'd personally advise against say citing the song as a solid album track. If announcements by such close artists as Cashis and Obie Trice proved untrue, then why even bother with an already suspicious claim by E! Online? If we would have allowed this article to be retitled "King Mathers" because of numerous reports of the title, look how embarrassed we would be, considering Eminem's reaction to the fake titles. Confirming the freestyle an album track in this article would be basically the same thing, only even less concrete, considering the source for this claim is even more distant than the source for the supposed King Mathers. Vixen Windstorm (talk) 03:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * another article that says it's a TRACK, not a FREESTYLE, and it WILL BE ON THE ALBUM. But hey's lets disregard MTVNews too. --Erroneuz1 (talk) 18:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, let's. Normally content has its place guaranteed in an article if it is relevant and can be sourced, but whether "I'm Having a Relapse" is a freestyle or an album track is already heavily disputed. All these third-party sources are questionable when they declare the song an album track, as they quote Eminem revealing the title of the album, but how did they obtain knowledge of this song appearing on the album? The sources don't even mention how Eminem 'allegedly' confirmed the song to be featured on the album, they just straight up say that its a track form the effort. Like I said earlier, if quotes from artists close to Eminem were described as bullshit, then aimless statements by third-party sources aren't going to cut it. Vixen Windstorm (talk) 18:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I must say that I agree with Rtiztik. Anyone, whether otherwise credible or not could say it's a track, but where the there confirmation from?  --HELLØ    ŦHERE 21:48, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that some of you are getting away from the actual purpose of WP:V. We are not here to speculate on what will be a track or not, or even whether a certain song is a track. However, if MTVNews states that something is "reported", or "might be", we can state exactly that in the article. "MTVNews reported that XXX will be included on the album". This information can be changed as more updated information becomes available. We are not required to sift out the truth from various articles. We merely have to confirm that it is verifiable. Tan  &#124;  39  21:58, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If that's the case, of which I guess I agree, what is wrong with what we already have "On October 15, 2008 at an event held by Shade 45, Eminem debuted a freestyle titled "I'm Having a Relapse". It was at this event that Eminem also confirmed the title for the upcoming album to be Relapse.[7][8][9][10] It is uncertain whether any portion of the freestyle was derived from the material featured on the album."? This seems to follow what you've stated.  It seems to me, the most we can do to 'clean-up' is just add more sources such as MTV News.  Agree?  --HELLØ    ŦHERE 22:01, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Because that's not accurate. Why can't we say he "previewed a track or freestyle, which is alleged to be on the album". --Erroneuz1 (talk) 03:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Shady Dayz
Fist single —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.110.254 (talk) 01:12, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Source? Vixen Windstorm (talk) 02:00, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Possible Song with Jay Z that might be on the album
According to Stat Quo, a former Shady/Aftermath artist:

'"However, Stat clarified to DX that the Eminem and Jay-Z collaboration was in fact not “Dance On It,” but another song, one that may make its way to the buying public very soon. “The song that featured Jay-Z is a song that Em’s putting on his album called ‘My Syllielable” – it’s like ‘my syllable,’ [only] he flipped it,” said Stat. “They probably have since taken Stat Quo off of that record now that I’m not affiliated with the label.”'

Source: http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.7949/title.stat-quo-to-release-300-400-unreleased-dr-dre-tracks/p.2 --Shadygeneral (talk) 20:20, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

According to Amazon.com, Relapse is coming out December 23rd
That makes sense. Two Tuesdays after 50's album. Don't think it can be false since they always say if they do or don't know the release date. Here's the URL: http://www.amazon.com/Relapse-Eminem/dp/B00192M9FC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1225040259&sr=1-1
 * WTF??! I announced it on here like 4 weeks ago that it was going to be released on December 23, 2008. Fuckin wikipedia continued you erase it after i placed it on there over 20 times. Now when someone else places the date on there, it remains. I'm so sick of wikipedia's dumb ass employees. Because they cant find the source that explains the truth, they AUTOMATICALLY thinks it's a false statement.
 * That Amazon link above specifically states, "TBD: A release date has not yet been set for this title." I'm not sure what the problem is. Tan  &#124;  39  16:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * To the "WTF??!" guy, Wikipedia is based on verifiability, and not necessarily truth. And as for the link to a TBD album on Amazon, I checked it out the day this topic was made and the page certainly had the title Relapse, and a December 23 release. I can see why they'd remove the release date if something came out, but I have no idea why they would change the title back to TBD. Regardless, Amazon was our only source for a December 23 release (the source in the article says "according to Amazon"), so if they are no longer saying December 23, 2008, I propose we revert instances of the release date back to Late 2008. Thoughts? Kraid (talk) 19:08, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes but on Rapbasement.com. It announces that the Relapse will be released 2 day before Christmas. Here is the link to prove it http://www.rapbasement.com/eminem/102808-eminem-s-new-album-relapse-set-for-release-on-december-23rd-according-to-amazon.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Apawk (talk • contribs) 21:11, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Because "rapbasement.com" is a reliable source. I'm stepping out of this one before I violate 3RR; this user is infuriating and an obvious sockpuppet (see his comments on his talk page). Tan  &#124;  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  21:13, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't you immediately notice something just by looking at that link? "eminem-s-new-album-relapse-set-for-release-on-december-23rd-according-to-amazon." Amazon no longer lists the album's release date as December 23, effectively rendering this report inaccurate. Kraid (talk) 21:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I will say that Amazon isn't a reliable source. Anyone can edit Amazon. However, Eminem stated that the album would come out before the years end but after 50's Before I Self Destruct which is to be released on December 9th. So you guys can choose either 16th, 23rd or the 30th. SE KinG (talk) 21:21, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks good for a release date of December 23, but it's not our right to make assumptions using the known facts. We have to make these statements with verifiability. It might as well just remain December 2008 until a source with a specific date surfaces, and hopefully stays put instead of shortly after becoming TBD. Kraid (talk) 22:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Title
So I removed release date per HipHopDX.com article, but that article, along with Amazon.com, says the title is "TBD", should the article be moved back to Eminem's sixth studio album? Daniil Maslyuk (talk) 04:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No? Any third-party reports, especially in addition to Amazon who say the album's title has yet to be determined pale in comparison to the artist himself who has already set the title straight. Kraid (talk) 05:09, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Correct me if I'm wrong, but artists themselves are primary sources per WP:PRIMARY, thus cannot be used as reliable sources. The HipHopDX.com article was published later than Eminem announced the title, so in my opinion, the article should be moved. Daniil Maslyuk (talk) 05:28, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You can't get anymore of a "reliable source" than from the artist them self. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.111.150.29 (talk) 18:56, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Dec. 8?
Anyone that knows albums knows that all albums come out on Tuesday's. So, how trustworthy is a site that reports a Monday release? --HELLØ   ŦHERE 03:02, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

In response to several questions, album CD's are released on a Monday in the UK for charting 7 days which is then announced on the following Sunday. Another reponse was that 50 Cents album is due on the same day, that's a week later in the UK on the 15th November 2008 RM-Taylor (talk) 00:58, 8 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.120.29 (talk)


 * I know albums come out on Tuesdays in North America but I don't know about how record releases work in other regions of the world. But if a UK release on Monday is physically impossible then I guess this website is not a notable source. Kraid (talk) 03:08, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, perhaps you are right as we always go by its first release. --HELLØ    ŦHERE 03:12, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That's why I added "scheduled for release as early as December 8" to the lead. We don't know when the album will be out for certain in North America, but it looks as though the UK has it planned for the 8th. There's always the chance that in a matter of time they'll completely revoke their information on the album, like Amazon did last week, though. Kraid (talk) 03:24, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No way would Interscope release Eminem and 50 on the same day you serious? SE KinG (talk) 05:15, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It isn't not a matter of opinion. Wikipedia is based on verifiability and not necessarily truth, and what's being reported is a UK release of December 8. I don't know if albums come out on Mondays there, so if not then this isn't a reliable source. Kraid (talk) 06:33, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Stop putting theses un-confirmed released dates in the article lol. There was already Amazon with a fake date and now this. Until theirs a confirmed released date from Interscope then it should be in the article. Stop sourcing retail websites and Hip-hop blogs!!!! They just make up release dates there so the pre-orders can start coming in.--Coasttocoast (talk) 01:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This is sourced, we had the Amazon source, until it was proven wrong, and if/when this is proven wrong, we'll delete it. But until then, it's all we have.  --HELLØ    ŦHERE 02:05, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That, plus WP:V. Kraid (talk) 02:45, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * On the source is says 8/12/08 Isn't that August 12, 2008. It may be UK but the date is still similar to ours. Plus their money symbol is an F which mean pounds but most people just give them chickens. Apawk (talk) 15:14, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That source is for info that was given out on interviews, and wtf does the F symbol have to do with anything, and this talk page ain't a place for shout outs to friends and stuff. So be respectful and be constructive. Thanks, <font face="Kristen ITC"> Hairy Perry  15:21, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The souce wasn't from an interview. Click on the link, its an online UK CD store. Not and Interview. The Milk can do the doogle when the milk wants to doogle. And im referring to the F symbol as to the price. And i dont have any friends --Apawk (talk) 15:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok dude, i'm not arguing with you anymore. The milk can doogle, thats also nonsense. Well then the CD store is outdated because it definetly didn't come out in August. Ok, you have no friends sure thing.
 * <font face="Kristen ITC"> Hairy Perry  15:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The F symbol does refer to Money. It's considered Pounds in UK and their date sequence is the fact that the middle number is the month and and left is the day. Please Refrain from making personal attacks on Wikipedia members as you did on Apawk Or he will beat you down Apawk (talk) 15:43, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This resolution is now to theAdmins so just let them deal with it.
 * <font face="Kristen ITC"> Hairy Perry  16:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Funny. Apawk was blocked. but here i am still talking. Eminem is cool by the way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by UnrealSpiritX (talk • contribs) 17:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Then you've just admitted you use a sock puppet account. That's always smart. Kraid (talk) 18:48, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok one question. If Amazon isn't a reliable source, why is this UK "Amazon" reliable? SE KinG (talk) 20:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

In response to several questions, album CD's are released on a Monday in the UK for charting 7 days which is then announced on the following Sunday. Another reponse was that 50 Cents album is due on http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Relapse_(album)&action=edit&section=64the same day, that's a week later in the UK on the 15th November 2008 RM-Taylor (talk) 00:58, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Maaan, since when do we even consider Amazon and other retail websites even close to being reliable sources? They simply are not most of the time. Even the record label Interscope Records says that there is no confirmed release date. Until the rapper's label does not announce such date, we really should not mention anything about it, if not that it does not have a confirmed schedule release. — Do U(knome)?  yes...or no 02:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Rumors
There have been numerous amounts of rumors added to the page, please stop. Rumors that are not sourced or referenced from a reliable source will be undid immediately anyway, so please refrain from making such edits in the future. Thank you, <font face="Kristen ITC"> Hairy Perry  15:27, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Stan 2 Prod. by Swizz Beatz
In this interview: http://community.rapbasement.com/Video/Swizz-Beatz--Interview-With-Angie-Martinez/01BF6FFFF0099EF18001700A55B36 Swizz Beatz says he produced for Eminem's new album on a song called Stan 2.--Shadygeneral (talk) 19:39, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * There are a few sites that can source Swizz Beats stating this, but apparently it constitutes gossip. Kraid (talk) 21:23, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Here's another new interview where Swizz clarifies a few things about Stan 2 and other songs he produced on the album:http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1600103/20081124/eminem.jhtml Also talks about some of the content on the album.--Shadygeneral (talk) 19:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, it's clear that he didn't work on the album. —  Do U(knome)?  yes...or no 07:25, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Err..logic please
The recently added possibility that the album may be released in 2009 (which I personally believe will happen) from Yahoo! News it quite dubious, as most "unknown sources" turn out to be; I wonder if it should even be included. Just read this quote: ""There's a 50/50 chance it will be done by the end of this year, but most likely it'll be the first quarter of next.""

Unless I've missed something, if there's a 50% chance this album will be released in 2008, there can't be a higher chance that it will come out in 2009. So if we are going to include this "gossip", can we at least paraphrase it...it just reads stupid. — Do U(knome)?  yes...or no 05:39, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I think instead of putting an actual date on the released part it should be 2008-2009 instead December 2008 or February 2009 it should be 2008-2009 or something like TBA or something because that is the same as rumors and speculation no matter who the statement is made by. <font face="Kristen ITC"> Hairy Perry  17:32, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Or we could just leave the release sections blank like they already are, until a reasonable source for its release date becomes available. Kraid (talk) 20:19, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Co-sign — Do U(knome)?  yes...or no 00:04, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Eminem confirmed that it's coming out "sometime in the first quarter of 2009" on TRL. SlimShady6135 (talk) 05:40, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've heard the interview, but he actually speaks of this being as a probability, not certainty. Until there is an official date, we shouldn't insert this in the infobox. — Do U(knome)?  yes...or no 00:04, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Music section rewrite also?
I noticed the rest of the article got rewritten and it looks great but the Music section needs a rewrite also. SlimShady6135 (talk) 17:19, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I re-wrote the the first part a while ago and removed all the gossip stuff and all those useless quotes saying "em is dope", "slim shady is back" and other pov stuff. I'll probably re-write also the music section once I'm done working on this for featured list...so far I've worked up to the singles solo chart. — Do U(knome)?  yes...or no 00:58, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Alright, thanks Udonknome. SlimShady6135 (talk) 01:23, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Number One
Its supposedly the first single, and it leaked today.

It sounds like a mixtape to be honest.

http://www.zshare.net/audio/5226531101226d8e/
 * It's off some new mixtape from some DJ. <font color="#696969">SE <font color="#696969">KinG . User page.  Talk. 00:33, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

So much fucking better than half the shit he's released in the past few years and it's not even on an album. CD's gonna be a classic. SlimShady6135 (talk) 04:35, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Mentions on various sites (But putting up one) that the track is simply a track for a mixtape. So, yeah. There is no confirmation that the song is part of the album... -- Esa nchez (Talk 2 me or Sign here) 05:14, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

The song was written for Dr. Dre (Dre supposedly is going to do the first and third verses, while Em's is the second one.) Not going to be on the album as far as I know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.165.81.48 (talk) 18:21, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

The song could possibly be on either Dr. Dre's Detox or on Eminem's Relapse. According to a few sources this song is not complete yet. The first verse is going to be by Dre and the third by 50 cent leaving the second for Eminem. This version isn't the final.--Shadygeneral (talk) 22:23, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Dre told Power 107 in LA that he won't put the song on Detox because it's been leaked, but it was supposed to be for his Detox project. <font color="#696969">SE <font color="#696969">KinG. User page. Talk. 22:32, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

"Dre spoke to power 100, They played number one then dre phone'd in. They asked about eminem and the album, dre had no comment, but said the song number is actually not titled number 1 someone made that up, and it was suppose to be a detox track that eminem worked on, and dre was not sure how em wanted the flow, so em rapped dre's verses and sent it to dre via email. Dre said seems like someone got onto his email and started sending this song out. Dre said within Interscope is his guess, and he is not gona use this song now becuz of its early release and that its not completed. source: power 100, LA radio Station." --Shadygeneral (talk) 23:35, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Apparently the title is correct, as the song is appearing on Big Mike and DJ Neptune's mixtape 4th Quarter Pressure 2, under the name "#1". Kraid (talk) 19:52, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what the Dj named it, not what the actual name was supposed to be. On here: http://www.rapbasement.com/audio/eminem-ft.-dr-dre-number-one.html It is called Breaking Bottles now.--Shadygeneral (talk) 00:50, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I can't believe we're talking about mixtapes.— Do U(knome)?  yes...or no 07:00, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

New Interview on Billboard
He sets the date as sometime in Spring 2009. Confirms Crack a Bottle to have been a working track for relapse that got leaked even though it wasnt finished. He says they are gonna finish it and release it how it was supposed to be. Also says that Stan 2 doesnt exist and he never worked with Swizz Beatz. Source: http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/exclusive-eminem-talks-new-album-book-1003922190.story --Shadygeneral (talk) 19:45, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Two Release Dates?
Why is there two release dates on the first paragraph. You're supposed to put the one stated most recently. It got delayed obviously so fix it. I already tried to and it got reverted for whatever reason. SlimShady6135 (talk) 01:25, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. --HELLØ    ŦHERE 01:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

That's better. SlimShady6135 (talk) 01:52, 18 December 2008 (UTC)