Talk:Relative key

List vs. table
I think the list would look much better as a table, but feel that others may object as it is simply a list and may not be appropriate. Is there another method we could use to align the relative keys. Hyacinth 23:03, 11 May 2004 (UTC)


 * We could preformat it, I suppose:

C major   A minor G major   E minor D major   B minor


 * but that's kind of ugly. I think a table should be fine, myself. Alternatively, we could do something clever with the circle of fifths image, putting the major keys on the outside of the circle and their relative minors on the inside. Just a passing thought, probably not worth the hassle, really. --Camembert

Capitalization
Aren't minor key names normally left uncapitalized? Right now, throughout the whole article, the names are capitalized. --Iammisc —Preceding comment was added at 03:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * My understanding is no, not if it is followed by the word "minor" for example "E minor". Note minor chords for guitar follow this rule for example "E min". Lower case letters (by themselves) are sometimes used as shorthand for minor.--Dbolton (talk) 08:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Purpose?
I fail to see the purpose of relative keys. I understand the concept, I just don't know how or why anyone would use it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.101.234.25 (talk) 22:38, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't have a wonderfully firm grasp on it, but it's basically a quick way to derive a minor key from a major key or a major from a minor. Even though they are the same, they're still distinctly different in the way they sound. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think I'm too far off.DL (talk) 19:10, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

How can they sound different when they are the same? I'd like this explained also... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.226.99.55 (talk) 22:55, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


 * They are not the same. There are two important characteristics of major and minor scales (like men's pants): the tonic and the key signature (instead of length and waist). A major scale which is relative to a minor scale is different in that it hays a different tonic, but similar in that it has the same key signature. Contrastingly, a major scale which is parallel to a minor scale has a different key signature, but the same tonic. Hyacinth (talk) 09:15, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Regarding purpose, my recent addition begins to address this: "Relative keys are closely related keys, in that they differ by no more than one accidental (none in the case of relative keys), the keys between which most modulations occur." Hyacinth (talk) 06:05, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * See also the recently added image of a modulation between relative keys. Hyacinth (talk) 10:20, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

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Reqmusic
I've added an audio example, though a more "musical" one would be informative. Hyacinth (talk) 08:05, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Done. Hyacinth (talk) 10:20, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Relative vs closely related
The last sentence of the first paragraph seems to contradict itself (particularly the section in parentheses). Can a relative keys still be considered closely related keys if they vary not at all? JlnMyr (talk) 18:05, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

"Relative keys are closely related keys, in that they differ by no more than one accidental (none in the case of relative keys), the keys between which most modulations occur.": I believe the parentheses part is a typo. logically it seems like it should say "(none in the case of parallel keys)" 69.117.164.197 (talk) 20:34, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Incomprehensible
Minimal knowledge is required to even start to understand this material, of which I have none. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Longinus876 (talk • contribs) 14:10, 23 July 2019 (UTC)