Talk:Religion of the Shang dynasty

Add some more information for this page in order to make it more complete.
I wrote this page, but I think that my sources are not enough. Could you find mỏe supporting data? Strongman13072007 (talk) 00:51, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Copying within wikipedia and transclusion
@Strongman13072007, you appear to be copying large chunks of text from other articles. Just so you know, the authorship of Wikipedia articles when used still needs to be attributed, please see WP:CWW for details: just note the article you're copying from in the edit summary.That said, a lot of the copied text requires a lot of editing work, in my view. In a way, this could potentially double the work I need to do to edit the text, and it can be an inconvenience to go back and forth hunting down instances of the same flawed paragraph. Do you think it would be possible to WP:TRANSCLUDE the excerpts from the source article instead, so that improvements made once can improve all articles it's included in? Remsense  留  03:59, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I'll paraphrase the texts. Recently I copied paragraphs from the original sources to the editing window and left it for another time for paraphrasing. But I think there was a mistake, and the button "Publish" was pressed. I have paraphrased some texts, and I rewrote the longest ones that take considerable paraphrasing effort as quotations from the attributed authors.
 * My apology for the mistakes. Strongman13072007 (talk) 10:49, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The original sources as in other Wikipedia articles, or as in the referenced sources? Because you shouldn't do either unattested, but you seriously shouldn't do the latter. Regardless, you should state which articles you have copied from, attribution is required even when copying within Wikipedia, as stated above. Remsense  留  18:58, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok. Strongman13072007 (talk) 23:08, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't enjoy doing so, but copyright issues can really create bigger problems with articles, so they have to be taken seriously. Remsense  留  23:32, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Did you have any thoughts on transclusion, by the way? I'm not sure how much of this material is covered on other wiki articles and could be transcluded somehow. Remsense  留  01:49, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Distilled secondary source versus tertiary source
@Strongman13072007, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but I am concerned that this article is not quite being written as an encyclopedia article—a tertiary source synthesising an understanding of a subject from secondary sources for a general audience, but rather simply listing paraphrased, undigested points made by your secondary sources, and including a lot of them in a way that will make the article very hard to improve in the future. The article is presently 10k words, it should probably be around half that, with the extra information put into related articles or subarticles. Remsense  留  00:18, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, there are a lot of style concerns, please see MOS:ZH as to why you shouldn't be including so much Chinese-language text in this article, it is not useful to the vast majority of readers. Remsense  留  00:19, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm scanning for unnecessary and subjective texts and have deleted some of them. Some broad topics mentioned can be put into other articles, but I'm searching for more sufficient sources so I amn't able to do it at the moment. Strongman13072007 (talk) 13:10, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * also—please be aware that you are massively overlinking in the article. I've gone through and fixed it and other style issues (such as using Chinese characters with a linked term, which goes against our style guide. I would recommend reading the Manual of Style in general also, I would prefer to make fixes once, and not come back and see the same issues again, which if i recall correctly has already happened once, before I can start working on larger problems in the article.These larger problems are made daunting by effusive repeating of the same things over and over again in the previously undigested manner, making it very difficult for anyone else to try and improve the article, especially when you are prone to just undo their changes, seemingly without noticing.Due to these issues, the article is presently nigh-unreadable, unfortunately. Remsense  留  03:27, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I sincerely apologize for my faults. I kind of repeating information without noticing it. I have sorted out some serious repetitive sentences and acknowledge that I've gone too far by this point. I've cleared about 10 thousand bytes, and currently looking for irrelevant information.
 * Could you clarify what major issues this article has? I'd like to correct them and see if any improvements can be made. Strongman13072007 (talk) 08:52, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * In turn, I sincerely apologize for getting confrontational in my tone, it was rude: you are working very hard on this article, and it's highly appreciated from someone who wants to see China topics better covered on here. I haven't gotten to edit this article much because you've been working on it consistently and I dislike stepping on others' toes, I'll take a look tomorrow. Cheers! Remsense  留  09:35, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

"Multiple issues" template
I think that some article problems in the "Multiple issues" template have been addressed. Can you sort out any issues left? I think that some indicators regarding issues can be removed. Strongman13072007 (talk) 12:34, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Mass revision and change
I've done a total revision of this page and made changes. I did these things: Reduced lists to short paragraphs + Rearrange all sections + Turn some sections into subsections + Erase unrelated topics So maybe you could re-read the new version and give me some advice? Strongman13072007 (talk) 09:16, 9 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Currently I have basically remixed all sections hoping to create a more cohesive content. There are currently five sections now instead of seven like before. I also removed too deviated paragraphs. Strongman13072007 (talk) 01:19, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Maybe my citations are wrong
@Remsense I read some other sources pointing out that works like Keightley 1978 and Eno 2008 support some information, but I can't specify the pages since I don't have real access to these works. I think that I've cited these sources in paragraphs that they don't support. I really appreciate it if you do some revision of these sources and delete them if necessary. Strongman13072007 (talk) 10:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I will take a look ASAP, thanks for asking! Remsense  诉  10:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * If possible, you can specify the pages for those books. Strongman13072007 (talk) 11:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)