Talk:Religious vows

Remove stub?
Has this article been expanded enough to remove the Christianity Stub tag? MishaPan 18:35, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Too restrictive
The title says "Religious vows", then that it is a Christian article. I think it should be written "Religious vows in Christianity". If not, other traditions should also write about their religious vows, and the article will not be just "Christian". Other rleigions have vows too.--Dharmaling 17:26, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes I agree. This needs to consider the vows of other religions. Secretlondon (talk) 03:28, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

The adjective in "Religious vows" is not a reference to a religion, the mention of which has been omitted but is inmplied, but is a Christian terminus technicus for the vows made by those that desire to commit themselves in a binding manner to one or other form of living consecrated to God in accordance with Church Law (e.g. monks, nuns, consecrated hermits). Christianity also knows marriage vows, but these are not termed "Religious vows", since marriage is not a form of "consecrated life". If an article is required that deals with vows in whatever religions have vows, then it requires a separate article styled "Vows in religions". 20:24, 16 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.215.166 (talk)

Deacons do not make "religious vows"
The following para had been incorporated into this article but has now been deleted, since Deacons take no "religious vows" that make them members of the Consecrated life.
 * It must be noted that all unmarried deacons in the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church, whether in a religious order or of the diocesan clergy, take a commitment to celibacy before their sacred ordination (this is not the same thing as a vow of chastity as understood under the counsels of perfection: celibacy simply forbids marriage; chastity implies a deeper commitment to self-offering). By this commitment to celibacy, they are forbidden to attempt marriage, and any marriage they attempt is invalid (permanent deacons who are already married are not required to make this commitment, but cannot remarry if their wife dies). All diocesan deacons and priests also make a commitment of obedience to their diocesan bishop or archbishop (though again this is not the same thing as the vow of obedience undertaken by members of religious orders: a diocesan priest is under the command of a bishop; a member of an order makes a deeper renunciation of his or her own rights to self-direction).
 * The usage of the Eastern Catholic Churches follows that of the Orthodox Churches in the preceding section.

12:08, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Pictures
Should they not be relevant to the subject matter? In this case a photograph, or artist's impression, of a profession ceremony?! Something along the lines of the following:. And if nothing that is not copyrighted can be found, would it not be better to stick no picture in at all than just anything that comes to hand? 20:34, 16 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.215.166 (talk)