Talk:Rem Koolhaas

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While Rem Koolhas is undoubtably an adept and brilliant mind in the contemporary world of architecture. It should be considered that he is adept in two fields, both equally important. First, the creation of the physical acrhitecture and -perhaps more proliferously than any other- the creation of the fantastic.

"Random Meaning" is definitly a term in which he revels in and is quite good at using in his buildings, books and lectures alike. His books especially have brought many in the profession to dream or at least consider options outside the box, or even as mundane as a box.

But, lastly it should be noted that within the 'profession' (alive, dead, dying, or elsewhere) Rem Koolhas has a strong, and articulate following as well as equally strong amount which do not consider his architectural constructions to hold up to the complex descriptions, or view the examples or diagrams and randomness as a detractor rather than a additive element.

This particular article is a good introduction to Rem Koolhas, but the line between the old profession and the hyper-modern of Koolhas and others is also worth looking into, especially with an architect such as Koolhas. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.129.76.237 (talk • contribs).

i think i agree on the whole...so go for it! contribute! i enjoy koolhaas's attempts at re examining the position and relationship of the profession to society but have trouble articulating it. - Chwe 02:57, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Is it possible to give people who haven't studied architecture an idea about who Rem Koolhaas is? I couldn't make heads or tails of the last paragraph, as it's far too technical in its use of (presumedly) architectural descriptions. --Romann July 7, 2005 09:21 (UTC)

Could someone knowledgeable edit the article for more encyclopedic value and less pretentious pseudo-intellectual babble? Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.185.15.243 (talk • contribs).

I find it strange that Koolhaas is still said to be "perhaps more famous for his books than his buildings"; maybe at the beginning of his career (when "Delirious New York" was published) this was true, but his most famous book today, "S, M, L, XL" uses hundreds of drawings and photographs of dozens of realized projects to illustrate his theoretical ideas. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.118.62.167 (talk • contribs).

There is too much drivel in this article (e. g. "Using a canny direction of observation and diagram, Koolhaas mobilizes the omnipotent forces of urbanism into unprecedented forms and connections organised along the lines of present day society."). B.

If one compares merely the length of this article to that for Robert Venturi, it should be clear that this subject area lacks for a proper sense of proportion.

I think this sentence is missing the mark - The notion of the Program involves "an act to edit function and human activities" as the pretext of architectural design. Pretext means 'an ostensible or professed purpose; an excuse', so did the author perhaps mean architectural design as a pretext to edit function and human activities? Alternatively, "an act to edit function and human activities" as the object of architectural design? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.170.90.2 (talk) 05:23, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

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I've tagged this article because, quite frankly, it's a pretentious piece of crap. I couldn't find a template that could convey that, so I added the two that I think best suit this article. Just take a look at this paragraph:
 * Using a canny direction of observation and diagram, Koolhaas mobilizes the omnipotent forces of urbanism into unprecedented forms and connections organised along the lines of present day society. Shopping is examined for intellectual comfort whilst the unregulated taste and densification of Chinese cities is analysed according to "performance", a criterion involving variables with debatable credibility - density, newness, shape, size, money etc. Through his ruthlessly raw approach, Koolhaas hopes to extract the architect from the anxiety of a dead profession and resurrect a contemporary sublime however fleeting it may be.

--Osprey39 18:06, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

While I agree it is important to make note of Koolhaas' theoretical innovation, I also agree this article is overtly pretentious and sounds like some undergrad arch student's research paper. I hope someone can clean this up. -hmt 208.200.11.155 17:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Who is the "the up and coming New Wave Architect Jim Bogle" mentioned in the "Architecture, fashion, and theatre" section? It seems like a dubious attempt at self promotion (not helped by the fact that whoever added the sentence spelled Koolhaas's name wrong). Unless some sort of qualification and detail can be added, this sentence should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.145.210.171 (talk) 15:37, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

New 5 Euro coin
Does mention of the prominent placement of Koolhaas' name on the new Netherlands 5 Euro coin belong in this article? Not quite an award... Read here: --Theodore Kloba (talk) 16:05, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Picture?
Is there another photo to use? I'd like to be to identify him at a conference, but the posted pic makes look like a dead ringer for Pharoah Meneptra or somebody similar recently unearthed in Egypt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kimwell (talk • contribs) 20:59, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Plagiarism and/or copyright violation
I removed this section, initially because it seemed like a prime example of the "pretentious crap" noted above, but then I thought to google it: The whole passage was lifted from this page: http://arttattler.com/architecturedreamland.html

"Delirious New York set the pace for Rem Koolhaas's career. His work emphatically embraces the contradictions of two disciplines (architecture and urban design) that have struggled to maintain their humanist ideals of material honesty, the human scale and carefully crafted meaning in a rapidly globalising world that espouses material economy, machine scale and random meaning. Instead, Koolhaas celebrates the "chance-like" nature of city life: "The City is an addictive machine from which there is no escape." As Koolhaas himself has acknowledged, this approach had already been evident in the Japanese Metabolist Movement in the 1960s and early 1970s."

The whole article needs to examined for plagiarism, but I'm too disgusted to read the rest of it. People, you just can't do that kind of thing. Christ, just stop! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.60.94 (talk) 13:15, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

21st Century Office section
Said section is, to be blunt, a load of crap. Most of it is out of date (the CCTV building [or the facade, at least] was finished in June 2008), the organisation of the information given is atrocious, references and evidence are non-exisistent, and quite honestly, it ruins the whole page. Personally, the introduction need not to be so long; 2 lines or so, then current, updated information about the different OMAs around the globe.

By the way, it would be "Offices", not "Office".

The article seems to grow progressively worse as you read it till the bibliography. We need to start editing, people. The plagiarism issue seems to have ceased, at least. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.215.49.33 (talk) 02:11, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Early Life and Career
I'd like to know if he completed the academic studies that he started as there is no mention here of him gaining a tertiary award. (I understand that the profession of architecture in Holland became 'regulated' after 1988.) "He then was a journalist for the Haagse Post before starting studies, in 1968, in architecture at the Architectural Association School of Architecture in London, followed, in 1972, by further studies at Cornell University in New York." XArchitect (talk) 23:24, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Too many links
ie after ".. which was written while he was a visiting scholar at the Institute for Architecture and Urban Studies in New York, directed by Peter Eisenman"

Is there any reason for this?? (see also Citation overkill) It also appears that none of the citations given actually verifies the text..

I'll wait a bit, and if no-one fixes or explains then I will simply remove the list and replace with a template:fact tag.213.249.186.178 (talk) 22:10, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Remove the links diff - they entirely fail to verify the text in question - must have been added in error by an inexperienced editor.
 * I have reproduced the links below in case they are of any value :

Imgaril (talk) 18:31, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

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S,M,L,XL
His major work of the 90s reads as if it has been omitted/ deleted? Truth regards not who is the speaker, nor in what manner it is spoken, but that the thing be true; and she does not despise the jewel which she has rescued from the mud, but adds it to her former treasures 09:19, 25 October 2022 (UTC)