Talk:Remembrance poppy

Wearing a white poppy is also an act of "remembrance"
Notice the difference between these two words:
 * 1) "remembrance" - A word with a lower case "r," and is defined as "the act of remembering" at this Wiktionary link
 * 2) "Remembrance" - A word with an upper case "R," and is used in the name of the official holiday, Remembrance Day.

Wearing a white poppy is also an act of "remembrance" (with lower case "r"). Therefore the the white poppy should be mentioned in the lead section -- even if the only purpose of that mention is purely for clarification purposes only.

Clarification is an important function of Wikipedia: See this Wikipedia information page. Because of Wikipedia's clarifying function, the supporting sources that are required on this question need only to establish a need for clarification (to fulfill the clarifying function of Wikipedia) -- they do not need to establish the white poppy as a "Remembrance poppy" (with upper case "R").

The above discussion raises the following question:

Does society use the upper case "R" or lower case "r" when the word "remembrance poppy" is used?

this source uses the lower case "r."

If there are no sources which use the upper case "r," then the title of this article is technically "remembrance poppy." and not "Remembrance poppy." Even though Article_titles stipulates that the first letter of article names should be capitalized, there should be a clarifying sentence in the lead section which displays the word as it is used in society: ie. with a lower case "r." (Capitalization is important in the article title. Example WASP vs Wasp)

Any thoughts?

Sincerely, Boyd Reimer (talk) 12:02, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

While this issue goes beyond the narrow use of capitals,

Leaving aside the narrow issue of capitals, is it not possible that the use of 'r'emembrance is an official way to undermine the white poppy? If Wikipedia is to avoid pushing the official line, should it not use 'R'emembrance in relation to the red and white poppy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.166.157 (talk) 10:22, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Rosemary instead of poppies in Australia
Could some mention be made that in Australia a sprig of rosemary was traditionally worn, even on Remembrance day, and that the wearing of poppies is more recent. The custom dates to Gallipoli - where rosemary grows wild and the smell of that plant would cause anyone who was there to remember.

See: http://www.warmemorialsnsw.asn.au/traditions/rosemary.cfm http://www.anzacday.org.au/education/tff/rosemary.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.129.81.174 (talk) 00:56, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Flanders as a geographical region
"ts opening lines refer to the many poppies that were the first flowers to grow in the churned-up earth of soldiers' graves in Flanders, a region of Europe that overlies parts of Belgium, France, and the Netherlands.[1]"

This line refers to Flanders as a geographical region, I doubt that its used in that context these days. Even then, the Flanders used in the poem refers to the region in Belgium, and perhaps hints at a region in France aswell, but since the Netherlands did not participate in WWI I think the poem doesn't refer to any region of the Netherlands. The reference doesn't say anything about what region is ment in the poem, but I doubt the Netherlands were ment...  Site thief  ~ talk to me ~ 09:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Section arrangements
I have placed the sections in the least contentious arrangement possible. I would be pleased to hear other opinions on the matter. Boneyard90 (talk) 19:03, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) All Commonwealth nations placed under a single heading, as it appears other editors do not recognize the validity of the ==== sub-section, though I admit, there is only a slight size difference between the === and the ====.
 * 2) All other countries separated out, as it is hardly balanced to make a group called "Outside the Commonwealth", as if that makes them lesser.
 * 3) While Commonwealth countries might use the poppy more than other countries, they did not start there, therefore the most balanced way is, alphabetical order. When the "Commonwealth" heading is used, it gets to be first anyway.

Text from Corn poppy article
The following text from the above article, which properly belongs in this one, was removed and replaced with a summary. Much of the content is already in this article, but there is some that may need to be readded here.
 * ... In Flanders Fields  ... It was written by Lt. Col. John McCrae, a doctor serving in the Royal Canadian Army Medical Corps, and appeared for the first time in Punch magazine on December 8, 1915. McCrae wrote the poem on May 3, 1915, after witnessing the death of his friend, Lt. Alexis Helmer. The opening line of the poem vividly depicts corn poppies blowing in the wind amongst the many crosses that mark the resting places of fallen soldiers. Similarly, the poppy is a symbol of the blood of Polish soldiers killed in the Battle of Monte Cassino in the Polish war song "Czerwone maki na Monte Cassino" ("Red Poppies on Monte Cassino").


 * The corn poppy has become a cultural icon to military veterans, especially veterans of World War I, and has become associated with wartime remembrance, especially during Remembrance Day or Anzac Day in Commonwealth countries. In Canada, where the corn poppy is largely associated with Remembrance Day, the Royal Canadian Mint in 2004 released into circulation a quarter with a commemorative reverse featuring a corn poppy coloured red.


 * This poppy is a common weed in Europe and is found in many locations, including Flanders Fields.


 * Inspired by McCrae's poem, in 1915 US professor Moina Michael published a poem of her own called "We Shall Keep the Faith". In tribute to the opening lines of McCrae's poem&mdash;"In Flanders fields the poppies blow / Between the crosses row on row,"&mdash;Michael vowed to always wear a red poppy as a symbol of remembrance for those who served in the war.


 * Artificial poppies are used for remembrance, because they do not flower naturally in November in Europe, and because individual flowers are short-lived. In many Commonwealth countries, paper or plastic corn poppy flowers are worn to commemorate the sacrifice of veterans and civilians in World War I and other wars, during the weeks preceding Remembrance Day on November 11. In the United States, it is common practice to wear "Buddy Poppies" (artificial, paper or plastic versions distributed by the Veterans of Foreign War) during the weeks preceding Memorial Day, the last Monday in May to commemorate the sacrifice of veterans in the various wars; whereas Veterans Day on November 11 is used to honor "living" veterans.


 * In Canada, poppies are distributed by the Royal Canadian Legion and the Anavets organization each fall prior to Remembrance Day. The design of the Canadian poppy consists of petals made of red plastic with a felt lining and black centre held on by a pin. In 1980, the Royal Canadian Legion formed a committee to decide the future of the poppy and it was decided that the centre should be changed to green to represent the green fields of France. In 2002, the poppy centres were switched back to the traditional black. Those who were unaware or had forgotten that black centres had been used in the design of the poppy from its introduction in 1921 until 1980 found the change somewhat controversial.


 * In New Zealand and Australia, plastic poppies are widely distributed by the Returned Services Association leading up to ANZAC day (April 25).


 * The corn poppy has been adopted as a symbol by The Royal British Legion in their Poppy Appeal.

Imc (talk) 17:21, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

The Linford House Poppy Burning
Should be added among the others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beingsshepherd (talk • contribs) 21:46, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Canadian Poppy trademark
The poppy design is Canadian Trademark TMA586995 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.120.141.254 (talk) 16:16, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

For remembrance to fashion statement
Kleshna is one of two businesses selling its own poppies - but only gives 10% of its sales to charity. Kleshna sells crystal-clad poppy jewellery which has been worn by celebrities on television. So the poppy is not in danger of being used as a Fashion Appendage or Marketing Tool? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.248.99 (talk) 10:07, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Real or artificial?
The article says that the Remembrance poppy is based on a real flower. However, every single picture on the article shows artificial flowers. As entirely non-British, I have to ask: Is the Remembrance poppy supposed to be a real flower or an artificial one? J I P &#124; Talk 20:07, 7 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure about other countries, but here in Canada, most people wear the artifical poppy. There are practical reasons for this, they are less costly and more damage resitant than real poppies; plus the fact that real flowers don't do well in November in Canada. However as far as I know there is no objection to anyone wearing a real poppy if you're willing to take the exta cost and care reqired. Mediatech492 (talk) 20:59, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

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Use in the United States
The article makes the uncited assertion that the custom occurs "to a lesser extent" in the US. In fact it is common, and poppies are worn on Memorial Day and November 11 and distributed outside of government buildings and other places, with donations requested to benefit disabled veterans. This is another example of their use. Kablammo (talk) 22:08, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say it was "common". I'm 45 years old and don't remember ever seeing these for sale and only this year (2019) have I heard ads about them. Maybe it just isn't common in my area and the rest of the country is drowning in poppies, but the custom seems virtually unknown here in NC. What I see for sale instead is flags or flag pins.--Khajidha (talk) 17:39, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Born and raised in the US, traveled it for 15 years as an adult. First Poppy i ever saw was on a brit, and then quickly found out that if you see someone wearing a poppy do not talk. to them, they will make you wish for a vegan in at a hot dog stand over the ear full you'll get. No, not common at all, hell, i dont think it should be included at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.206.59 (talk) 17:26, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

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Odd links for Intellectual Property Rights and Trade Mark
The sentence "In 1997 and again in 2000 the Royal British Legion registered the Poppy under Intellectual Property Rights (1997 Case EU000557058)[34] and Trade Mark (2000 Trade Mark 2239583).[35]" has links 34 and 35. Link 34 just says '75' and link 35 just says '76'. I think it got created that way. This seems to be a relevant edit from around the time the sentence was added: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Remembrance_poppy&oldid=632664785 and this is the change where the sentence was added: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=632664245&oldid=632601795&title=Remembrance_poppy   SandJ-on-WP (talk) 08:21, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

He damned well must wear a poppy?
There "is a rather unpleasant breed of poppy fascism out there – 'he damned well must wear a poppy!' Well I do, in my private life, but I am not going to wear it or any other symbol on air."

As well as the Jon Snow comment, might it not be useful to have a section on Poppy Fascism and forced remembrance? For what was the point of people killing and being killed to defend freedom, if personal freedoms are now restricted? And why should media presenters be shamed into wearing a red poppy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.166.157 (talk) 10:55, 13 November 2023 (UTC)