Talk:Renia Spiegel

Religion and nationality in lead
Hi -- thank you for helping work on this article. I wanted to ask you about your removal of the adjective "Jewish" from the first sentence. I see that you wrote in the edit summary that it's not a nationality. Whether it is or is not a nationality, how do you recommend that Spiegel's Jewish background be presented in the lead? I was following the example of the featured article on Anne Frank, which refers to her as a "Dutch-Jewish diarist" in the first sentence. Similarly, the article on Rutka Laskier refers to her as a "Jewish diarist from Poland" in the first sentence. Would it be better if this article followed one of those formats? Thank you, and let me know. -- Cloud atlas (talk) 03:32, 15 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Then the article Rutka Laskier needs to be modified. Per Wikipedia standards, religion or descent is not presented in the lead but citizenship or nationality. Please read the Manual of Style/Lead section. Thank you for appreciating my changes. Oliszydlowski (talk) 03:35, 15 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi -- thank you for pointing me to that policy.  I just read it and see that the specific page you linked to doesn't mention anything about religion or descent, but I followed a link to this section specifically about style in biographies, which says, "Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability."  According to the sources, it looks like the fact that Renia Spiegel was Jewish is very relevant to her notability, since she is notable for her diary about her experience as a Jew in the Holocaust.  For instance, in the most extensive source about the diary, Smithsonian Magazine, the first sentence of the article reads, "On January 31, 1939, a 15-year-old Jewish girl sat down with a school notebook in a cramped apartment in a provincial town in Poland and began writing about her life."  Given the policy, I think we should add it back into the lead.  What do you think? -- Cloud atlas (talk) 04:09, 15 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi -- since I haven't heard back from you, I'm going to add back Spiegel's religion into the lead, and do the same for Rutka Laskier, based on the policy I cited above.  If you want to continue discussing this, I think we'll need to get the opinions of some other editors.  Thank you. -- Cloud atlas (talk) 05:03, 17 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry I was absent. Yes, you can get the opinion of other users. I have no idea where the discussion is concerning this topic. Regardless, if you look at articles of American Jews you don't see the term "Jewish-American" or "Jewish from America". Oliszydlowski (talk) 07:24, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Oral history link
Hi -- thank you so much for adding the link to Schwarzer's oral history! That is an incredible find -- how did you locate it and figure out that Renia Spiegel is mentioned? Her name isn't even in the transcript. Amazing!

I cleaned up the label on the link to make it a bit shorter. I also removed the Google Maps link you included. I don't think it's appropriate to link to Google Maps -- but maybe something we could do is include the address so that users can Google it themselves. How did you get that address? -- Cloud atlas (talk) 04:46, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

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