Talk:Republic of Artsakh

Flag of Azerbaijan SSR
It's anachronistic to use Azerbaijan SSR flag, instead of its flag during NKAO's dissolution. It is the same flag with current one with different shade. Either use the correct one, or remove it completely. Beshogur (talk) 15:32, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * It is anachronistic to just write "Azerbaijan" or use that Azeri flag. NKAO's "dissolution" was 26 November 1991, and Azerbaijan's independence is officially 26 December 1991, so the name and flag are incorrect and anachronistic. --KhndzorUtogh (talk) 22:21, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Flag of Azerbaijan (1991–2013).svg
 * Your edit is anachronistic. Azerbaijan used the name Republic of Azerbaijan and this flag right from 5 February 1991. Does not matter whether it's recognized later or not. Beshogur (talk) 11:56, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay but notice how the Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic article still uses the 1952–1991 flag, because it is the flag most commonly associated with the republic, which is why it should be the flag used here as well. And I assume you are not opposed to adding SSR back because you did not comment on it? KhndzorUtogh (talk) 23:28, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, Supreme Soviet of Azerbaijan or rather the "Supreme Soviet of the Azerbaijan Republic" back then abolished the NKAO. So it's kinda tricky. I rather remove predecessor, successor thing. Here is the abolition law. Beshogur (talk) 01:38, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The NKAO was was officially abolished on 26 November 1991, but Artsakh had declared independence on 2 September 1991 and had an official referendum on 10 December 1991 (Zürcher, p. 168), while also being a continuation of the same de facto government since 1989 (p. 165). --KhndzorUtogh (talk) 22:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, the name/flag change of Azerbaijan occured on 5 February 1991. Beshogur (talk) 11:19, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * But that's not the flag the Flag of the Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic infobox uses. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 22:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The Republic of Artsakh declared independence on 2 September 1991 and held an official referendum on 10 December 1991. Azerbaijan declared independence on 18 October which became recognized when the USSR dissolved on 26 December. So by either metric, Azerbaijan SSR is not anachronistic. --KhndzorUtogh (talk) 22:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting comment.png 3O Response: Per and, remove the flags entirely. Snowmanonahoe (talk · contribs · typos) 18:49, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree. Beshogur (talk) 14:15, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Should the parameter for flag icons be removed from Template:Infobox country then? KhndzorUtogh (talk) 21:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Considering they're in such a high-profile infobox, it's probably for a good reason. MOS is just a guideline, and it only says "avoid". You can take it up there if you want. Snowmanonahoe (talk · contribs · typos) 11:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Nagorno-Karabakh: did it exist as a region during the 1918-1920 period
Quote: The predominantly Armenian-populated region of Nagorno-Karabakh was claimed by both the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic and the First Republic of Armenia when both countries became independent in 1918 after the fall of the Russian Empire.

Note: the period related to the quote obtains the 1918-1920 timeline.

Questions: Did the Nagorno-Karabakh region exist as an entity during the 1918-1920 period?

If yes, can anyone provide any reference to a region of "Nagorno-Karabakh" related to that period?

Can anyone provide the exact borders of the region (if it existed and was named "Nagorno-Karabakh")?

if the region of Nagorno-Karabakh did not officially exist during that period, how can one discuss whether it was predominantly populated by any of the ethnic groups? Hew Folly (talk) 19:42, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * "Region" is a generic and vague geographical term, and by its use often points to an area not being a geopolitical entity. If you are looking for a geopolitical entity, the Karabakh Council article covers that period, although the article's sourcing is poor. CMD (talk) 02:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Indeed. The map of the " 1918-1920 Karabakh Council" is not only unsourced but also falsified. You can check my explanation.Talk:Karabakh Council#A strange 1918-1920 map with a town that did not exist back then Hew Folly (talk) 21:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * In 1918-1920 Nagorno-Karabakh had all the trappings of statehood, including the army and the legitimate authority.In response to the peace initiatives of the people of Nagorno-Karabakh, Azerbaijani Democratic Republic launched a military action https://usa.mfa.am/en/karabagh#:~:text=In%201918%2D1920%20Nagorno%2DKarabakh,Republic%20launched%20a%20military%20action. UnsungHistory (talk) 17:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The Armenian Embassy is not a reliable source. Hew Folly (talk) 19:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

TFD
Republic of Artsakh

This is trivial, and shouldn't be included in the article. There are also no mentions of the street on neither the Watertown article or the Artsakh article excluding the trivial image on the Arksakh article, with no points provided to its significance. NikolaiVektovich (talk) 18:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Doesn't make sense in the History section, assumed from the description it would be in Foreign relations. CMD (talk) 01:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Coat of arms' years of usage
Just like the flag, the coat of arms of the Republic of Artsakh wasn't immediately adopted in 1991 in the midst of the dissolution of the Soviet Union, similarly to how many other post-Soviet recognized or unrecognized states did not come up with their own non-communist symbols until as late as 1994 (e.g. Tajikistan). The description under the image of the coat of arms explicitly states 17 November 1992 as the date of adoption, hence that would make total sense to mention it in the infobox just as this information is mentioned on every historical state/entity article. CapLiber (talk) 04:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC)