Talk:Republic of China calendar

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—Yamara ✉  15:28, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Minguo
Look up the page history of Minguo. We had an article like this before it was merged.--Jiang 13:06, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

conversation chart
The conversation chart is pretty stupid, I hope no one mind if I take it away. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.136.179.59 (talk) 10:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think there's any harm in keeping it.--Jiang (talk) 13:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Someone has messed up the conversion table, e.g. the current year 2016 should be ROC year 105, not 104, and the ROC calendar should start from year 1, not 0. The formula should be to subtract 1911 from the Gregorian calendar year, not 1912. Could the person who made the mistake or someone else who knows what they're doing please fix this serious problem?--Julian Clegg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.211.33.66 (talk) 07:31, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Dates before 1911
How does the calendar deal with dates prior to 1911? Do they use PROC, BROC, etc? FiredanceThroughTheNight (talk) 08:58, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, this remains entirely unaddressed in this article but our year project has taken it upon itself to label every year in human history since c. 719 BC with a "Minguo calendar" date that reads NNNN before ROC followed by 民前NNNN年.


 * No idea whether this is the official system on Taiwan itself. If it is, it needs to be clarified how its cutoffs actually work since surely it doesn't retroactively apply the Gregorian calendar to dates where the Europeans themselves still use the Julian system. I'd imagine most scholarly/governmental work in the system uses the actual historical Chinese system of using the lunisolar Chinese calendar with imperial era dating. It should be clarified if that is the official implementation of the system, though, and what the exact cutoff date is where dates went from using Chinese lunisolar months and days to Gregorian months and days. — Llywelyn II   19:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * RfC at WPTAIWAN and WPCHINA. — Llywelyn II   20:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Table
The Chinese Wikipedia uses this table to explain the Minguo calendar:


 * Post-Republic


 * Pre-Republic

It makes comparisons with the Japanese era calendar as well, which uses a similar kind of concept. Should the current table here be adopted in a similar fashion, if it makes explanation easier through comparison? -- benlisquare T•C•E 10:55, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Expiration dates
"When used to mark expiration dates on products for export, they can be misunderstood as having an expiration date 11 years earlier than intended." I doubt whether that is still the case. Before the Minguo calendar reached 100, this was likely to happen, as "January 23, 98" could be understood to mean "January 23, 1998". However, a date like "January 23, 104" is unlikely to be misunderstood as "January 23, 2004". I know, we have to find sources and stuff, but isn't this text a bit obsolete? Steinbach (talk) 17:59, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 2 April 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved. No opposition to move. Natg 19 (talk) 01:02, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Minguo calendar → Republic of China calendar – As per WP:USEENGLISH and as per sources such as. Obviously the current name should remain mentioned in the lead paragraph. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 23:17, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Support Cf. North Korean calendar (not Juche calendar) Timmyshin (talk) 21:38, 9 April 2019 (UTC)


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Requested move 24 July 2019

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The result of the move request was: not moved (non-admin closure) ~SS49~   {talk}  21:21, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Republic of China calendar → Date and time notation in Taiwan – To expand topic to include time, as part of Category:Date and time representation by country. Ythlev (talk) 16:34, 24 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose – This article is not about date and time in Taiwan, it's about the RoC calendar, which was also used on the mainland for a significant portion of time. If you'd like to create an article about date and time in Taiwan, feel free to do so. RGloucester  — ☎ 00:55, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Given this article is so short, I don't see why there needs to be separate articles. Ythlev (talk) 08:47, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * While there is some overlap, the two are not the same as 59.149.124.29 notes below. If the goal is to add content, create a date and time notation in Taiwan article first, then propose a merger if it is warranted.  However, as with Japan and Korea, the available material easily warrants two articles.   —  AjaxSmack  15:45, 28 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Move to Taiwanese calendar for WP:CONSISTENCY with the main country article now located at Taiwan. Rreagan007 (talk) 02:50, 25 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose per RGloucester. An article about date and time notation in Taiwan should discuss aspects of the ROC calendar, Japanese calendar, and Western timekeeping that are relevant to Taiwan, per WP:SUMMARYSTYLE. Meanwhile this article should discuss the whole history of the RoC calendar, including the parts that are irrelevant to Taiwan (e.g. its history before 1945 and its former use outside the mainland by organisations that have nothing to do with Taiwan, e.g. Sing Tao Daily). 59.149.124.29 (talk) 22:38, 25 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose this is one situation where "Republic of China" and "Taiwan" refer to different entities. The calendar is that of the Republic of China; the history on the mainland China before 1949 is very relevant. No objection to creating a separate article titled Date and time notation in Taiwan. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 14:30, 29 July 2019 (UTC)


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Calendar name and transcription
The Chinese characters say 紀年 (jìnián) but the transcription says jìyuán (紀元?). I'm not confident enough in Chinese or this calendar's terminology to know which one ought to change, but I am sure the Chinese characters are inconsistent with the transcriptions.TywysogMelyn (talk) 08:26, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

"Date and time notation in Taiwan" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Date and time notation in Taiwan. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 16 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 01:20, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Pronunciation Discrepancy
民國紀年 (traditional Chinese) and 民国纪年 (simplified Chinese) would be transcribed in “Standard” Mandarin as “Mínguó Jìnián” (not as shown on the Wikipedia page as “Mínguó Jìyuán”) and in Wade-Giles as “Min2-kuo2 Chi4-nien2” (not as shown on the Wikipedia page as “Min2-kuo2 Chi4-yüan2”). 173.79.189.232 (talk) 19:43, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

2023
In the “Calendar Details” section where it describes the year 2023, it says:

2023, the "112th year of the Republic" is 民國一百一十一年

I think that year actually reads 111th year, but I don’t have the Chinese keyboard installed and I’d like someone to check it before fixing. —AsterRoc (talk) 05:04, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * It does. — Llywelyn II   19:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Move/Change
Currently every year in human history since 719 BC is labeled with its "Minguo calendar" equivalent. Since that on its own is probably the most prominent use of this dating system in the English language, the page should probably be returned to Minguo calendar where it was originally. It doesn't matter if it's more "rational" to have this treatment match North Korean calendar. If the thing's  is the "Minguo era" or "Minguo calendar", that's where this article should be. For what it's worth, (a) the North Korean calendar got moved back to Juche calendar itself after the "discussion" above and (b) the ngram for these terms isn't terribly helpful since it shows Republican era and ROC era are far more common than Minguo or Republic of China era but includes tons of other senses of Republican for the first one and tons of discussion of China during the period 1912–1949 for the second, rather than discussion of this era/epoch/dating system.

On the other hand, if ROC calendar really is what we're going with, someone should tell the year guys to go fix their lists. — Llywelyn II   19:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

RfC at WPTAIWAN and WPCHINA. — Llywelyn II   20:28, 5 June 2024 (UTC)