Talk:Republic of the Rio Grande

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Hola
Hola, espero tener contacto, contribuyo en la pagina en español sobre la RRG, pero es constantemente cyberatacada, presumiblemente por mexicanos centralistas que temen de las publicaciones de este tipo. Espero tener contacto.


 * Hola. Mi español no es bueno. Gracias por los URLs, pero este Wikipedia se escribe en inglés y la regla ( WP:EL y Manual_of_Style_%28links%29 ) dicen, los URLs debe generalmente estar para los Web site ingleses. Los moveré a la "charla", aqui; espero a alguien que habla español bien los utilice. Tristemente, no puedo.


 * Aquí en los Estados Unidos, solamente algunos texans e historiadores recuerdan la RRG, porque Tejas no se había convertido en un estado de Estados Unidos. También, los que saben no hablan; la política de la frontera es trastornado este año. studerby 06:52, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

links transfered from article

 * Bloque Nemex
 * Localeando (Periodismo del separatismo)
 * Movimiento Río Grande
 * Las Cortes de Nuevo León

Failed or not?
If the Republic of Rio Grande failed to exist (see the relevant section in the article) why is it presented in the introduction as if it did exist? They declared their independence, but they never achieved it de jure (or de facto, for that matter). -- the D únadan  17:17, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I think they had brief de facto status. A historical footnote, like the Confederate States of America Confederacy, or West Florida, still interesting though. --71.192.116.13 04:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Filibuster State
There were two proclaimed countries by this name. The one mentioned here at least had some degree of success.

There was also a seperate state established briefly by Jose Carbajal, a Mexican born filibuster. (Dealt with extensively in the two books I read on the subject: Schemers and Dreamers and Manifest Destiny's Underworld). Short lived, he basically took and was driven from Matamoros, similar to Walker's Republic of Sonora/

An internet search for Jose Carbajal + filibuster will turn up some information. I thought I'd mention it, but I'm not going to do anything myself. Give you even odds this article is deleted for being not notable within six months any rate. (And any article on Carjabal would certainly be gone as soon as the DEAT squad discovers it). Worth mentioning though, on the off chance that Wikipedia ever becomes sane. (Ha, ha.) --71.192.116.13 04:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

POV
This is an impressive article, when I clicked on the wiki link from the republic of Texas article I was expecting a stub. But unfortunately its riddled with POV statements. I think they should be more neutral.ʄ! •¿talk?  13:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Added citations tag, maybe I'll come back myself to add the relevant citations. ʄ! •¿talk?  03:16, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

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Incorrect Map
The map in the infobox is incorrect, as it shows the United States having already annexed the Southwest and Texas. In reality, the Republic of the Rio Grande existed before the Mexican-American War, when the Republic of Texas was independent and Mexico controlled much of the surrounding area. For appropriate borders, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:United_States_1838-1842.png

Escalona (talk) 19:13, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Category sort issues
I found this article through Category:Former countries in North America and was going to add a sort to that category, but can't find it in the edit....and I can't find Category:Short-lived states either, or other categories which do display. Are they automatic re other categories, or are they hidden somewhere in the text and I just can't see them? I tried "find on page" but found nothing.....for the record, in Category:Former countries in North America, this article displays under the lower-case 't' section, and I can't see why.Skookum1 (talk) 16:38, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

This is a fillisbustering article
This article treats the attempted sublevation area as a real republic which it never was, and is suspiciously full of POV and no references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.152.30.135 (talk) 07:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC) I has been correcting the article and someone just send me a message identifying the changes I made as vandalism. This is way far from the truth. The article is strongly biased towards many different points of view, and not facts. For instance: There was not constitutional convention, what it occured was a meeting of caudillos at a ranch that planned a sublevation against the dictatorship. But it was not a constitutional convention as one were delegates were called from different regions. The members were not elected. The republic never existed as such and reading the article in its actual form it looks like it existed. A number of pieces of information just do not add up. For instance in Spanish in that region the Rio Grande is called the Rio Bravo, so the name of the republic should have been the republic of the rio bravo instead. Same for the footnote on the Laredo Capitol, were in Mexico there are not capitols but governor's or goverment's palaces. The article is very revisionist and etnocentric and not objective. If you disagree with me please make your point here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.152.30.135 (talk) 05:24, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

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"Río Grande" vs. "Rio Grande"
"Rio" without the tilde is an incorrect spelling of the actual name of this entity. The unrecognized republic had Spanish as its common name, and the very denomination of the republic is in Spanish. As a result, the correct spelling is "Río Grande" instead of "Rio Grande". I have moved all articles to correspond with this correct spelling. Bedivere (talk) 13:53, 6 October 2023 (UTC)


 * No.
 * This is the English Wiki.
 * Rio is the common spelling in the English language and the spelling which is listed on English language maps.
 * Feel free to write Río on the Spanish Wiki. GalantFan (talk) 05:34, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Your incivility (Spanish speaker does not realize he is on the English wiki, as you put it in the edit summary) is not an excuse to initiate an edit/move war. This Republic spoke Spanish. English speakers being too lazy to use a tilde is not an excuse to not include it, as the correct name is Río, not Rio. Bedivere (talk) 14:49, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * No. The name on the Spanish Wiki is Río, the spelling on English Wiki is Rio. There is no diacritic in the English alphabet.
 * It is the same to change the spelling of Republic to República. República would not be correct on the English Wiki. GalantFan (talk) 15:31, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Puede que aquella República hablaban español, pero en este Wiki hablamos inglés. GalantFan (talk) 15:43, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It is the same thing if you edit the English Wiki from "Mexico" to "México". You might say that Mexico is spelled incorrectly since they speak Spanish in México. GalantFan (talk) 15:51, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Not quite the same point. I don't get why you're treating me like a retarded by writing in broken Spanish when our communications have been solely in English. Please have a little respect. There is no diacritic in English alphabet? Not quite true (á, é, í, ó, ú, and that is only counting those with that tilde (there are other tildes)), but okay. You say this is the English Wikipedia, but taking your point literally, can you explain why places such as Nuevo León, Viña del Mar, Chungará and others have their tildes here? Your point is completely groundless and your personal attacks are insulting. Please stop treating me like an illiterate third-world Spanish speaker. Bedivere (talk) 16:44, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not good at conjugation, but you see my meaning.
 * It would be exactly the same situation if you go to the Mexico page, move it to México, and edit all the spelling. GalantFan (talk) 17:01, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * No, it's not the same. Mexico is widely spelt Mexico, without the tilde in English language sources. I don't see you proving your point with Río Grande. Bedivere (talk) 17:02, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * You have just proved my point exactly. Rio is widely spelled Rio, without the tilde in English language sources. GalantFan (talk) 17:04, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Since you are fluent, what is broken here? "Puede que aquella República hablara/hablaban español, pero en esta Wiki hablamos inglés."
 * Possibly "Puede que aquella República hablaron/hablaban español, pero en este Wiki hablamos inglés." GalantFan (talk) 17:28, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Want me to exemplify with former republics? Okay, here you go: Kingdom of Araucanía and Patagonia, Canton of Málaga, Republic of Liège, Republic of Yucatán. --Bedivere (talk) 16:46, 7 October 2023 (UTC)