Talk:Republicanism in Morocco

Title
The title is totally misleading. The page should be moved to another title. The is no term whatsoever called Republic of Morocco. The Moors story is about the Bou regrag area; the Rifis' story was about the Republic of Rif and Oufkir's was a failed attempt. It was the only attempt.

The title as it is incorrect encyclopedically and is misleading. It should represent the content! Cheers -- Svest 02:05, 20 December 2005 (UTC) Wiki me up&#153;


 * I agree, this page should be deleted. If necessary, a list of insurrections in Morocco, or something like that, could fill its place. Arre 12:40, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Move and merge
I read again the article to think about a title that would represent all different facts stated in the article. I could not find one. If someone can think of any adequate title, that would be a great help.

On the other hand, the article is considered a presentation of facts and not a dissertation. Those facts can be easily merged with History of Morocco, and some at Politics of Morocco.

Therefore before merging it, we should move it to another title. The title has nothing to do with the content. Cheers -- Svest 17:59, 20 December 2005 (UTC)  Wiki me up&#153;
 * I definitely support merging it with History of Morocco, and I agree with your list below. But although the name is very misleading, I don't think it is important that we change it first, if it is going to be deleted anyway. Arre 22:06, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Republics in Moroccan History
Another alternative could be to rename it to Republics in Morrocan history as the title could sound subversive for some Moroccans. The name communly used for the Abd el-Krim's controlled area was as said in the article Republic du Rif see this link too --Khalid hassani 19:08, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks Khalid for the idea. Nothing is offending but it is about accuracy. I have nothing against the article but still Republics in Moroccan history would not be accurate for the same reasons. If you have an article called Republics in Moroccan history, than that would suggest that there were.


 * The other thing that makes it hard to find a link between the 3 scenarios in the article is that:


 * The Republic of Rif had a separatist concept. (didn't exist)
 * The Popular Republic of Morocco had just an opposite aim. (didn't exist)
 * The Republic of Bou Regreg had a different purpose, maybe criminal. (existed)


 * So there should be a term to relate the 3 facts and neither Republic of Morocco nor Republics in Moroccan history are accurate. That's why I asked for a merge with History of Morocco and the PRM within Politics of Morocco.


 * Finally, I don't know but as I was discussing with Arre lately, we have to follow wikipedia guidelines. Simple example; one external link reads funny mistake: Bahrain embassy in London names Morocco a republic. We can't say funny, it is total POV however the mistake would be really funny. It makes wikipedia looks funny! Cheers -- Svest 20:16, 20 December 2005 (UTC)  Wiki me up&#153;


 * Republic of Rif is accurate as it was a concept. It was real. It is just like RASD, Popular Republic of Morocco and Republic of Rif. All those articles should exist . I am only refering to the title and not the content of this article. Svest 20:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Rami
Another thing, not important, but... Ahmed Rami, referred to in the list of links, is a notorious figure in Sweden, where he lives as a refugee. He has been convicted several times for running a strongly anti-Semitic radio station and web site (both are called Radio Islam, but have nothing to do with Islam) in collaboration with Swedish neo-Nazis. Also, his own account of his importance for the Oufkir coup has been strongly disputed - he seems to have been a very minor figure, although he portrays himself as a central plotter.

Not that it means anything for this page, but if it will be merged with History of M, i suggest removing the Rami link entirely, since its content is under dispute. Or at least noting that in the reference to it. Arre 22:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, but that can be developped or mentioned in Mohamed Oufkir page. Cheers -- Svest 23:32, 20 December 2005 (UTC) Wiki me up&#153;

Page move
Hi guys, just FYI. The page is now moved to History of republicanism in Morocco. I hope it is the most accurate title. Cheers -- Szvest 18:35, 31 December 2005 (UTC) Wiki me up&#153;
 * This is a good solution! Greetings from the german original´s author 84.191.114.161 02:13, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok for me too, a good compromise. Note that it is also a good candidate to be just merged as a section in History of Morocco, as this is still a minor subject I am not sure if it deserves an article of its own. --Khalid hassani 16:15, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. -- Szvest 20:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC) Wiki me up&#153;
 * I also agree, both with the move and the suggestion to merge it. I'm not sure it merits an article of its own, and I also find the linkage between these republics or quasi-republics very dubious. An article on political republicanism as an ideology in Morocco could merit an article (from the 1970s coups to Islamic republicanism today etc), but this is not it. Arre 23:01, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Dlimi coup
This is interesting. Has it been established that Dlimi tried his hand at a coup in 1983? (And that he was murdered?) I was under the impression that this is just a theory, as of yet unproven. I'm not too familiar with the subject, though, so I'll be happy to be informed otherwise. Arre 23:51, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to announce we now have a Ahmed Dlimi page, where this could be sorted out. And should be sorted out, since I still can't find any confirmation, just more speculation. Arre 04:38, 10 January 2006 (UTC)