Talk:Rescue of Jews by Catholics during the Holocaust

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Reference named "Phayer, p.87": From Catholic resistance to Nazi Germany: Phayer, p. 87 From Catholic Church and Nazi Germany during World War II: Phayer, 2000, p. 87 

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Update return of Jewish orphans to their relatives with 2020 insights re Pope Pius XII; Finaly Affair
In respect to the return of Jewish orphans to their relatives, this article contrasts with other articles such as Jewish orphans controversy. New light is being shed on the history of Pope Pius XII's views and behind-the-scenes work, e.g. in the Finaly Affair, where the Vatican impeded efforts of relatives to get custody, as most recently reported in the Atlantic at https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/the-popes-jews/615736/ This article should be updated. ★NealMcB★ (talk) 18:46, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Overly positive spin, neglecting the facts
This article neglects to mention that many Catholic "rescuers" refused to return Jewish children to their families after the Holocaust, robbing them of family, culture, and religion. This should be emphasized--it is well-documented and tantamount to cultural genocide. https://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/09/world/saving-jewish-children-but-at-what-cost.html 183.171.20.127 (talk) 03:46, 23 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Can you provide us with some sounder references concerning the matter? NYT opinion article from 2005 might not be sufficient due to the sourcing restrictions in this particular topic area. Thanks - GizzyCatBella  🍁  21:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Mit Brennender Sorge 19
Mit Brennender Sorge, the Christmas eve encyclical against the Nazis https://www.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html also contains a definition and declaration of an anathema, explicitly in paragraph 33. This might not pop out to a secular reader but in church history anathema is the most severe of all possible penalties, and it was more often practiced in the Eastern churches. The old rite for the declaration of an anathema (in Latin) is at https://www.liturgialatina.org/pontificale/101.htm and defines what it means. That pontifical book was superseded in (I think) 1971, so that was the contextual meaning when 'anathema' was written then. You can reword it if you don't like my tone, but it is a significant fact that the encyclical includes an anathema, which applies to the Nazis but it isn't limited to them in the past, it's "whoever shall...". Kester ratcliff (talk) 21:40, 13 December 2023 (UTC)