Talk:Reshid Akif Pasha

Dubious DYN claim
"Ottoman statesman Reshid Akif Pasha‎]] once said 'I am ashamed as a Muslim'". This is derived from a single source - an article written by Robert Fisk. Robert Fisk is a journalist, not a researcher into Ottoman documents or Islamic religious dogma, and the claim in his article has no source. The meaning of this supposed feeling of "shame" is completely undefined. In a western context it implies a public admission of guilt or wrong doing requiring some sort of remedy (be it an apology, a change of behavior, or retribution, or some other form of penance) but in Islam there is no such thing as personal guilt or personal penance or concept of public admission of "shame", so I think this "ashamed as a Muslim" claim is as vague in its meaning as it is unattributed, and so should be deleted. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 19:12, 26 September 2015 (UTC)


 * The quote is originally from Dadrian, not Robert Fisk . Akif Pasha states this as a follow up to his initial testimony. Étienne Dolet (talk) 19:25, 26 September 2015 (UTC)