Talk:Response to Intervention

Categories
Hi,

Someone changed the categories for this article to Childhood Psychiatric disorders and Special education. I agree with the Special Education category. I don't understand why the Childhood Psychiatric disorder category should be applied, nor do I understand why the Education and Learning disability categories are not appropriate.

Can you give me some more information about the thinking behind the changes?

Here is a summary of why I inserted the categories as I did:

+ RTI is an academic intervention method (hence the education category)

+ Designed to provide early intervention for all children having difficulty (the assumption is that they have not been diagnosed with a LD)

+ At the end of which some children are identified as having a learning disability and referred for special education (hence the LD category and special education category)

Best,

Rosmoran 05:34, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, The section I added, Relationship between RTI and IDEA was removed without explanation. The section is certainly relevant and properly cited. Please discuss any issues before editing. Yorktown1781 (talk) 19:21, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup
I have put in some section headings, lists and done some general cleanup. I have used RTI instead of RtI throughout except in the intro to make it a bit clearer in the standard font. SuW (talk) 19:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I have corrected the use of Roman numerals for Tiers I, II and II to use Tiers 1, 2, 3. I don't know what the real world uses but it should be consistent. SuW (talk) 19:54, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Bias
This article seems biased in favor of RTI, for there are many groups that do not agree with how it has been implemented. A section about these critques is needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.160.58.237 (talk) 14:59, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Hopefully the information I put in today will help present a more balanced picture. It was amazing to find this type of bias in favor of RTI in Wikipedia, so I took some time today to point out a few of the dozens of publications opposed to it for SLD identification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesBradfordHale (talk • contribs) 17:46, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Sudbury School
The discussion about Sudbury School at the end seems inappropriate. That has nothing specifically to do with RTI. The Sudbury approach is drastically different from almost everything else in education, so to cite it as an argument against RtI is misleading. I thought the article was pretty objective - if there are specific criticisms, could you spell them out with citations? Mary Lynne, Ohio 72.49.184.74 (talk) 19:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi
 * I agree with the discussant's comment below : while interesting and certainly important, the section on Sudbury School of thought is misplaced here under the topic of RtI. RtI is not really a philosophy or school of thought about the social aims or consequences of public schooling. RtI is, rather, a pragmatic response to empirical evidence about how best to identify and assist students of "normal" ability who fail to learn. The overarching argument for RtI, supported by strong empirical evidence, is that learning disabilities are better understood as an instructional rather than a psychometric problem. I am really impressed with remainder of this RtI page and hope that it continues to grow! 70.138.86.83 (talk) 02:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Best to all, from John in Houston 70.138.86.83 (talk) 02:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Mary, I absolutely agree with you about the Sudbury School issue. Anyone can observe their pedagogical philosophy right now and see the difference. It has nothing to do with RTI, although its environment and conditions may be compatible with many principles specified in RTI. Unless someone has an explicit reference to this in the pedagogical and educational framework of the persons that established Sudbury, it would not be erroneous to consider that. True Skepticism (talk) 17:49, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Mary, I absolutely agree with you about the Sudbury School issue. Anyone can observe their pedagogical philosophy right now and see the difference. It has nothing to do with RTI, although its environment and conditions may be compatible with many principles specified in RTI. Unless someone has an explicit reference to this in the pedagogical and educational framework of the persons that established Sudbury, it would not be erroneous to consider that. True Skepticism (talk) 17:49, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Note: the page has been re-organized according to standard formatting. The preceding comment was slightly edited to account for the new ordering.

Relationship between IDEA and RTI
Hi, I added a section "Relationship between IDEA and RTI".

Yorktown1781 (talk) 22:03, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi, The section I added, Relationship between RTI and IDEA was removed without explanation. The section is certainly relevant and properly cited. Please discuss any issues before editing. Yorktown1781 (talk) 19:21, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It was not intentional. I was trying to undo an old edit unrelated to your addition, and must've performed a full revert, instead. I have no position on the text. Dancter (talk) 19:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Credibility
I take issue with the following excerpt from the articles, placed in bold (What follows is an opinion from a person with 30 years experience in the public school system:

This person needs to be named and their credentials made explicit. 30 years in the public school system could mean anything from being a county superintendent to being a very, very poor student. Someone needs to either establish the person's qualifications (or lack thereof) or risk having this section omitted.

INTERNwiki (talk) 18:29, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Flawed Logic?
This section on the criticism of RTI seems flawed: However, it should be noted that public schools tend to receive more federal and state dollars the more students they identify as qualifying for special education. That said, RTI would if anything delay receipt of funding at the school level. Therefore the above criticism may stem from misinformation.

Wouldn't this suggest that federal and state governments have an economic incentive to promote RTI in ways that validate the prior points, and therefore the the comment that this criticism "may stem from misinformation" represents both bias and flawed logic. Mrviles (talk) 14:52, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Additional Information
Hi- I have added some more information regarding each of the three tiers.The information that I added was based on research and came from the Connecticut State Department of Education website.KDG555 (talk) 01:43, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Intelligence Citations Bibliography for Articles Related to IQ Testing
I see mention of IQ testing in the article text. I have posted a bibliography of  Intelligence Citations for the use of all Wikipedians who have occasion to edit articles on human intelligence and related issues. I happen to have circulating access to a huge academic research library at a university with an active research program in those issues (and to another library that is one of the ten largest public library systems in the United States) and have been researching these issues since 1989. You are welcome to use these citations for your own research and to suggest new sources to me by comments on that page. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk) 16:55, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Article fixing
Okay, so this article needs some major major work! I've started a couple big revisions, which have involved cutting out lots of words. Much more needs to be done, though...and I'll be checking to see if the cut material can be integrated elsewhere (as it was, there was way too much in the introduction). Tim D (talk) 19:19, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I worked through a few overhauls so far (although there's still more to be done), but if you look at the history, it's hard to see what specific changes were made. If anyone wants to discuss any issues, please let me know! Tim D (talk) 22:56, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

RTI-LD Link Claim
I removed it from the intro paragraphs because the source was from a single person and not peer-reviewed. It was published under a NFP advocacy and awareness group. Until peer-reviewed evidence can be located, that claim deserves to be postponed from publishing, especially in the introductory paragraphs where factual and/or prominently recognized information is most necessary. True Skepticism (talk) 17:53, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. Nominator has agreed to a speedy close. Favonian (talk) 18:48, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Response to intervention → Response to Intervention – Should have proper capitalization; redirect already exists, though, and a standard move is not allowed. -- Tim D (talk) 16:53, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * For those who are not aware of the proper capitalization, it is always written with a capital "R" and "I", and a lowercase "t" (with the acronym being either "RTI" or "RtI"). See, for example, http://idea.ed.gov/explore/view/p/,root,dynamic,QaCorner,8, and http://rti4success.org). -- Tim D (talk) 18:50, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, actually, after looking at the ed.gov link above, they do use lower-case letters at times, although the National Center on Response to Intervention (which is supported by the U.S. Dept. of Ed.) capitalizes. I'd say that the latter is definitely the norm, though. -- Tim D (talk) 18:58, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose – only the site promoting RTI treats this as if it's a proper. The other referenced sources does not; so it does not meet the test at MOS:CAPS.  Nom has cited no other reason to treat it as proper.  Quick check of books shows at least half present it in lower case when used in sentence context, so that means capitalization is not necessary, and therefore not WP style.  Dicklyon (talk) 22:45, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds fair enough. TimD   [talk]  01:17, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Then are you happy for this RM to be closed, Tim? Jenks24 (talk) 09:25, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, let's close it out. It was a little jarring to discover that the capitalization that's always been used in my little universe isn't entirely standard...but I suppose I'll get over it :) TimD   [talk]  13:21, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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