Talk:Restavek

Who wrote this?
I can't beleive that after all of this editing shown on the history pages that this article remains as redundant and awkward as it does. Also the references are all from written sources. Is there no reliable web source to use, so that people may check accuracy/authenticity?72.221.123.245 (talk) 05:08, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I especially like the part about lack of political voice and representation for these preteen kids :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.24.104.52 (talk) 22:30, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Had to laugh at the "it cannot be true if it ain't on the web 'cause only web sources can be checked" mentality here. Makes one wonder how we managed to get men on the moon before the Internet was even a dream (and none since the Internet came into existence BTW). Baran and Arpanet notwithstanding. P.S. The "i" before "e" rule also predates the Internet, apparently.


 * More directly, 72dot221dot123dot245, the likelihood of a printed volume in a public library being a more reliable reference than any digital hiccup on the web is orders of magnitude higher. The content in so-called reliable digital sources is fluid and subject to change from every social platform in operation. Even this week I read of a challenge (and likely change) to a world-famous online dictionary because "someone" was "offended" by the term's related definition. Online content is changed daily, links appear and disappear, and as we all know, various social groups (e.g. the LGBT... movement) now routinely force changes to online content to meet their own agendas. Fewer and fewer news sources even bother to check the veracity of their news leads (which is exactly how our politicians would have it since that allows them to operate with fewer and fewer moral constraints).


 * Which leads me, 76dot24dot104.52, to wonder at your apparent lack of knowledge about how things work outside the USofA. Why would you think that restavek children would receive any legal protections in a political system which relies on them for free labor and a ready source of warm bodies for "recreational" activities. With the possible exception of Europe, this is a situation very common in most of the world. And sadly, as we become more "international minded", even here. And yet, millions want to come to the USofA because for the average person it still represents the best country in the world in which to raise children.


 * Well, that's enough social-economic-political ranting for one day. LOL JimScott (talk) 19:41, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Removing requests for citation as well as essay language
The tone of the article was reminiscent of a high school essay, with a fair amount of bias, and many WP:PEACOCK words. The response made by one editor several months ago was to request references, yet a more direct approach might be simply to remove questionable material. After trimming, there are still ten requests for citations, as well as the tag at the top for "multiple issues".

Outstanding problems with the article are that it takes a biased stance on what are acceptable conditions for child labor, is not clear what percent of children are treated unfairly, and worst, makes vague innuendoes about the propriety of Haiti's social system. Piano non troppo (talk) 14:01, 8 April 2010 (UTC)


 * It's ten years down the road and politically laws have been enacted but on the ground things are moving slowly. No surprise. In case anyone cares, here are some (presumably POV) articles talking about helping restavek children in Haiti:


 * • Restavek Freedom: https://restavekfreedom.org/issue/
 * • mention of Restavek Freedom in Greenleaf blog: https://greenleafgifts.com/blogs/everyday-together/the-road-to-restavek-freedom
 * • Free The Slaves (Haiti): https://www.freetheslaves.net/where-we-work/haiti/
 * • 2014: new laws passed in Haiti: https://www.freetheslaves.net/haiti-enacts-worlds-newest-anti-trafficking-law/
 * • 2015: a year later and still much to do: http://www.healthpolicyproject.com/index.cfm?ID=HaitiCounterTraffickingBlog


 * Yes, I am sure there are more. If you're really interested, do your own homework. I'm just passing by. BTW, Piano, it would be ludicrously naive to pretend the Haitian social system is any less vulnerable to loose morals and sexual predators than anywhere else. JimScott (talk) 21:30, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

"average for their grade level"?
Should this be "below average for their grade level"? (The citation is a broken link, so I was unable check the source.) Lavateraguy (talk) 10:13, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * FTFY by removing that part of the quote. You must be right.   delldot   &nabla;.  01:47, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Remove tags?
I think the personal opinion and OR content has been removed, and the info tagged as cn has either been cited or removed. The article still has a lot of problems, but I think these tags no longer apply. Any objections to removing them? delldot  &nabla;.  03:18, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I will take this silence to mean vigorous approval. delldot   &nabla;.  00:07, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 25 May 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. Number   5  7  18:48, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Restavec → Restavek – Most sources spell it with a 'K'. In a Google Books search, 3,770 results for 'Restavek' and 2,970 results for 'restavec'. 48,000 Google hits for 'Restavec' and 121,000 for 'Restavek'. Official bodies like the UN and UNICEF use a 'K'. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 19:14, 3 June 2015 (UTC) delldot   &nabla;.  01:57, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per nom's analysis. --Cavarrone 09:57, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


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An important article
I read this article and remained in shock. What a terrible world! It's a terrible situation! Thanks to the editors who wrote this interesting and important article. Danny Danny-w (talk) 09:02, 30 March 2018 (UTC)